AMD Confirms, Zen On Track For Q4 2016 Availability On High-End Desktops

[AtenRa]

Yes it only gives 5-10% higher performance with lower frequencies and lower power consumption!!! And it has a higher powered igpu inside the same power envelope.

I know a lot of people don't care about all of that,but computing is on it's way to become not only portable but wearable and skylake is a big step towards that direction.

ALSO how come HMB is a big deal feature and everybody should praise it but ddr4 is just a waste of good silicone?

2011
Sandybridge Core i7 2600K at MSRP $317 gave you 100points

2015
Skylake Core i7 6700K at MSRP $350 (+ Heat-Sink = more than $370) gave you 120points

Is that "more value for their $ with every generation" ??? i dont think anyone here believes that.

 

[AtenRa]

Yes but is that 95W for one module? (4c/8t)
I mean the haswell i7 (4c/8t) already has 84W so it woudn't be so far fetched.

The specs are for the CPUs, not about modules or cores or what else.

 

[TheELF]

2011
Sandybridge Core i7 2600K at MSRP $317 gave you 100points

2015
Skylake Core i7 6700K at MSRP $350 (+ Heat-Sink = more than $370) gave you 120points

Is that "more value for their $ with every generation" ??? i dont think anyone here believes that.

Points at what?

The specs are for the CPUs, not about modules or cores or what else.

Sure, but they are going to release more then one model of CPU some with more and some with less modules,which ones will run at 95W?

 

[AtenRa]

Points at what?

Performance

Sure, but they are going to release more then one model of CPU some with more and some with less modules,which ones will run at 95W?

Max TDP for AM4 CPUs will be 95W, i dont believe we are still having this conversation.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Performance of what? Your own unspecified case?

I have to disappoint you, but a stock 6700K runs in circles around a stock 2600K.

38% in Fallout 4 for example.

 

[CHADBOGA]

Performance of what? Your own unspecified case?

I have to disappoint you, but a stock 6700K runs in circles around a stock 2600K.

38% in Fallout 4 for example.

And that doesn't take into account how much better Skylake responds to faster ram.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Exactly. Then we easily end at 50%+. Not to mention the 6700K uses half the power at the same time as the 2600K in the game.

 

[frozentundra123456]

The US consumer price index also went up approximately 10percent over that 4year period, so the inflation adjusted price increase is actually only ten percent.

 

[AtenRa]

Core i5 3570K @ 4500MHz is slower than Core i5 4590 @ 3300MHz ??

Sure thing, what ever you say.
Next time try and use a different cherry pick than the joke PClabs slides.

 

[CHADBOGA]

Core i5 3570K @ 4500MHz is slower than Core i5 4590 @ 3300MHz ??

Sure thing, what ever you say.
Next time try and use a different cherry pick than the joke PClabs slides.

What the hell are you using? D:

 

[coercitiv]

What the hell are you using? D:

From the Fallout chart above, Core i5 3570K @ 4.5Ghz is slower than stock i5 4590. Worst case scenario, the 3570K has a 800Mhz advantage (20%).

 

[ShintaiDK]

Core i5 3570K @ 4500MHz is slower than Core i5 4590 @ 3300MHz ??

Sure thing, what ever you say.
Next time try and use a different cherry pick than the joke PClabs slides.

From the Fallout chart above, Core i5 3570K @ 4.5Ghz is slower than stock i5 4590. Worst case scenario, the 3570K has a 800Mhz advantage (20%).

Same with Skylake, guess what these 2 have in common that the SB/IB doesn't

Besides instructions they got this:

 

[mrmt]

Does it make sense for someone today to buy the 2600k instead of a skylake?
No it doesn't because the skylake is much better value today.

Just for the sake of curiosity, how much improved value AMD has been providing in their mobile offers? Let's keep this out of desktops, as silicon they sell on this market is ancient.

 

[VR Enthusiast]

Paying 500 bucks on a whole new platform just to play Fallout 4 doesn't seem like good value to me. Now if gaming improvements were 40% in every game that might be different, but we all know that is not the case.

Techspot's results seem different with a stock 2500K doing a lot better - only 21% behind with a similar clock speed disadvantage to the 6700K.

Given some other benchmarks I have seen, the probable reason is that Fallout 4 is just a bad benchmark.

 

[Sweepr]

Skylake is considerably faster than Sandy Bridge. Here's average framerate (overall) @ 14 recent titles at equal clocks. Minimum FPS would probably look even better.

Again, why are we talking about this here?

 

[coercitiv]

Techspot's results seem different with a stock 2500K doing a lot better - only 21% behind with a similar clock speed disadvantage to the 6700K.

Given some other benchmarks I have seen, the probable reason is that Fallout 4 is just a bad benchmark.

Techspot's results also put i5 3470 and i5 4690K on equal footing, which is rather odd considering previous replies in this thread.

Either Fallout 4 is a really bad benchmark or review sites are all over the place.

 

[Ma_Deuce]

What does this have to do with Zen?

 

[cytg111]

Skylake is considerably faster than Sandy Bridge. Here's average framerate (overall) @ 14 recent titles at equal clocks. Minimum FPS would probably look even better.

Again, why are we talking about this here?

We are all different, to me 28% would not be worth it. I cant see it being important to corporate either. Server center / data center? Anyway, 28% over 5 years - what a crappy time for cpu 'enthusiasts'

 

[Sweepr]

We are all different, to me 28% would not be worth it. I cant see it being important to corporate either. Server center / data center? Anyway, 28% over 5 years - what a crappy time for cpu 'enthusiasts'

Ok, last OT post. This is per-clock. Core i7-6700K also got a ~17% boost to base clock (>10% Turbo) compared to Core i7-2600K. Also hitting 5GHz on SB was not nearly as easy as some people are implying here (mine hit 4.7-4.8GHz). Overall, I think it's a good upgrade. And then there's Core i7-5820K (soon Broadwell-E) with +50% cores/threads for not much more $ than what Core i7-2600K costed at launch.

 

[Unoid]

Skylake is considerably faster than Sandy Bridge. Here's average framerate (overall) @ 14 recent titles at equal clocks. Minimum FPS would probably look even better.

Again, why are we talking about this here?

We waited 4 to 5 YEARS for 28% improvement in performance?

 

[ShintaiDK]

We waited 4 to 5 YEARS for 28% improvement in performance?

IPC yes, just like we did for ages.

 

[mrmt]

We are all different, to me 28% would not be worth it. I cant see it being important to corporate either. Server center / data center? Anyway, 28% over 5 years - what a crappy time for cpu 'enthusiasts'

28% with less power consumption is huge for servers/datacenters, but there's much more value being provided there in the form of extra cores, extra connectivity and faster memories.

 

[laamanaator]

Why do test sites use Fallout 4 for benchmarking? FO4 uses an engine, which origins date back to the late 90's. In older titles, such as TES Skyrim and FO: NV etc. the physics of the game go completely mad when FPS goes above 60. FO4 also has this bug, but physics don't immediately go wild. Physics in FO4 will go wild at some point, but there are some variance to it. For someone it might work fine no matter the FPS, but for some it gets broken immediately after 60 FPS. There is no explanation for this phenomenon yet.

 

[MrTeal]

IPC yes, just like we did for ages.

The difference now of course is that the other aspects of whole chip performance haven't kept up for an enthusiast who overclocks. Top of the line mainstream SB to SL is still essentially the same price and still 4C8T, though base clocks have risen dramatically. Overclocked, Skylake really doesn't have a large performance advantage over Sandy Bridge given the four+ years that past between the chips.
Even ignoring the error that was the P4, four years prior to Sandy Bridge the top of the line mainstream chip was the QX6700 at $999 that was a 4C4T model, and might top out of 3.5GHz. The real comparable chip in Intel's stack at the time was the E6600 @ $317 (same as the i7-2600k), and it would also top out at 3-3.5GHz.

The delta in the four years between C2D and the i7-2600k at $317 was massive, while the same $300-$350 with Skylake brings a decent size improvement especially in mobile, but nothing like the gains seen prior to Sandy Bridge.

 

[ShintaiDK]

The delta in the four years between C2D and the i7-2600k at $317 was massive, while the same $300-$350 with Skylake brings a decent size improvement especially in mobile, but nothing like the gains seen prior to Sandy Bridge.

Very true, but that's a software and performance/watt related issue. SB to SKL servers for example is massive. Same is mobile.

I dont expect to upgrade my 6700K before Skylake either. Its just the reality of the game. However in no way would I want to run a SB based CPU either due to both performance and performance/watt. I am perfectly happy with ~30-40W CPU load in most peak loads at 4Ghz instead of ~90W at 3.4-3.6Ghz.