AMD Closes In to Command Half of Discrete Graphics Processor Market

[Skurge]

I wasn't sure what you were trying to pull out from this information.

Well there are more mobile ati gpus than GTX400 cards so, I really don't know what he is trying to say either.

 

[badb0y]

And @ cganesh75, Meghan54, attic, magicman ,and the rest of you fanboys.

Where do you see me saying anything condesending about AMD in my statement?
Please tell me ,whats codesending?

My point was no matter how much market share AMD OR Nividia has............WHERE ARE THE GOOD MID RANGE CARDS at descent prices?
In fact give us some price drops ANYONE, Nvidia or AMD.

Nice there both making good profits, but yet prices suck.

We have the slow 5770 @ 4890 prices or the 300$/350$ 5850/gtx470. Crap and more crap.
We need a good 225$ card, screw there market share.
Hey I'm on your side.

It's condescending because you put the burden on ATi to produce a killer product for you to afford, you never complain about prices when it comes to nVidia graphics cards, only ATi. This was a thread to discuss market share and how the picture is shaping up to be as ATi's strategy seems to be working better for them than nVidia's.

To answer your question about the good midrange parts with decent prices, well you can pretty much forget about that till Southern Islands comes out, nVidia has made it clear they don't give a shit about price to performance and ATi is comfortable set where they are. No pressure on them whatsoever. In fact I am surprised how quickly they are pushing Souther Islands because it doesn't seem like Fermi is going to get a die shrink anytime soon.

 

[bryanW1995]

What do chough's have to do with GPU market data?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chough


Seriously though, what percent of gpu buyers purchase games from steam, and then what percent of those allow steam to access their hardware data?
I'll take market data from the earnings reports before Steams survey.

what is the air speed velocity of an unladen swallow?

 

[faxon]

What do you mean? An African or European swallow? :biggrin:

 

[veri745]

Well there are more mobile ati gpus than GTX400 cards so, I really don't know what he is trying to say either.

I was going to say the same thing. The Mobility Radeon 5800 series alone gained as much DX11 Steam marketshare as the entire GTX 400 series.

*edit* I forgot to mention. The Steam HW Survey means crap to the quarterly discrete marketshare data. The Steam survey shows market based on ALL graphics cards currently in use, whereas the quarterly marketshare data in the article is only new cards sold during that quarter.
The GeForce 8800 series might still make up 7.43% of graphics cards out there, but I'd be willing to guess the Q1 2010 market for them was damn near 0%

 

[3DVagabond]

It doesn't help me none though, I still have to pay an arm and a leg for last years performance and directx 11.

Don't worry, it's nVidia to the rescue. There prices are already starting to fall to try and compete with ATI's overpriced-underperforming offerings. :thumbsup:

 

[Scali]

I don't really get the constant discussion on AMD's prices.
Yea, the 5850 and upwards are still expensive and supply isn't that great...
But isn't the 5830 or the 5770 the midrange deal you're looking for?
I bought a 5770 as an 'interim' card because my 8800GTS died. It's the best value for money I've had in years. I get all the latest features, I get a nice 1 GB of memory, and performance is fine for me, especially since the card also overclocks very well.
If I needed more performance, I could have gone for two 5770s in CrossFire, would still be cheaper than what I paid for my single 8800GTS some 3 years ago.

Now, I may have some criticism on AMD aswell, eg the fan is considerably more noisy than my 8800GTS was. And the drivers aren't as robust either (I develop DX11 code, and often a simple shader bug causes a driver reset. Very annoying, because it takes a lot of time to recover). But given the price I paid, I really can't complain.

 

[Lonyo]

Let us look at the numbers again:
http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/

ATI Radeon HD 5800 Series -3.21% from last month.
ATI Radeon HD 5900 Series +0.27% from last month.
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 470 +0.64% from last month.
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 480 +0.44% from last month.

And we are talking about 3.29%...which is the number of DX11 systems.
53.18% is the number of DX10 systems.

You really don't want to look at the Steam numbers for the simple fact that they don't really bear any relation to the actual market.
I say this based on the fact that the 2 products that hard numbers have ever been released for, the HD5700 and HD5800 cards, shortly after release showed a 62.5 to 37.5% sales split (500k vs 300k said AMD) while the Steam figures for these cards at the end of the month of that release following showed them to have a 44/56 split (end of December).

Now, when the company making the products says the split is 62.5/37.5 and Steam says it's 44/56, that shows that there is a CRAZY margin of error when it comes to the Steam figures. Which means that when talking about the overall market or general trends trying to use Steam figures is a terrible idea which in no way presents an accurate picture of anything.
And that's based on Steam numbers which are fairly accurate because basically they were the only DX11 cards available and had only been available a short time and were in a category of their own.

But if you would like to use the Steam numbers for saying anything beyond "this is a typical computer for a Steam user", feel free, but be aware that anything you try and say using said numbers is likely to be utterly out of whack with the real world.

Oh, and one more thing. If Steam is accurate and therefore the GTX470 and GTX480 account for the 1.09% of sales as given, and ATI have indeed (as they claim) sold 6 million DX11 GPUs, that means that NV have sold only 66k GTX470s and GTX480s combined, which would in fact agree somewhat with the low estimates given by most analysts and crazy people (e.g. Charlie). Of course, that wouldn't seem that close to the hundreds of thousands of Fermi chips NV claim to have shipped, but it could be that they shipped more than 2/3rds (figuring minimum of 200k for hundreds of thousands) to non-consumer products.

 

[GaiaHunter]

*edit* I forgot to mention. The Steam HW Survey means crap to the quarterly discrete marketshare data. The Steam survey shows market based on ALL graphics cards currently in use, whereas the quarterly marketshare data in the article is only new cards sold during that quarter.
The GeForce 8800 series might still make up 7.43% of graphics cards out there, but I'd be willing to guess the Q1 2010 market for them was damn near 0%

Although since DX11 is brand new, we will be able to see the tendency for some time, even with DX10 cards still being sold.

In a few months we will be able to have a more accurate picture of what direction the market share is going.

 

[beginner99]

What do you mean? An African or European swallow? :biggrin:

High prices are most certainly caused by TSMC's incompetence (or is that too harsh?). But that was already discussed in another thread.

 

[Janooo]

I don't really get the constant discussion on AMD's prices.
Yea, the 5850 and upwards are still expensive and supply isn't that great...
But isn't the 5830 or the 5770 the midrange deal you're looking for?
I bought a 5770 as an 'interim' card because my 8800GTS died. It's the best value for money I've had in years. I get all the latest features, I get a nice 1 GB of memory, and performance is fine for me, especially since the card also overclocks very well.
If I needed more performance, I could have gone for two 5770s in CrossFire, would still be cheaper than what I paid for my single 8800GTS some 3 years ago.

Now, I may have some criticism on AMD aswell, eg the fan is considerably more noisy than my 8800GTS was. And the drivers aren't as robust either (I develop DX11 code, and often a simple shader bug causes a driver reset. Very annoying, because it takes a lot of time to recover). But given the price I paid, I really can't complain.

I guess everybody forgot NV's launch prices from two years ago. That was the time when NV customers were abused.

 

[Scali]

I guess everybody forgot NV's launch prices from two years ago. That was the time when NV customers were abused.

Yea, ironically enough the 8800GTS 320 (which I had) was actually a total bargain back then. It gave a lot more performance than the DX9 generation of cards for the same price.
The 8800GTX and 8800Ultra were far more expensive, at only about 20% more performance.

 

[Nemesis 1]

So when did enthusiast forums become beachhead for cheaper sub performing parts.

You people need jobs . So you can afford the toys you play with.

It is funny tho . How AMD/ATI card pricies have set in motion this strange behavior were AMD ATI is expensive and NV isn't. NV has been stealing the public blind for 3 years now . There was no such outcry than . SO why now . I told you all last year this was going to happen exactly this way . So it was written so it was done. I said the same thing about Hardware reviews for 2010 . I said that reviewers would not make apple to apple comparisons . This has turned out to be exactly true . Review sites want to compare 6 core AMDs to 4 core Intels . Not based on performance But price. Thats exactly what has occurred yet Intel is still 40% faster core for core. So it was written so it was done.

 

[Scali]

So when did enthusiast forums become beachhead for cheaper sub performing parts.

You people need jobs . So you can afford the toys you play with.

Oh I can afford them... It's just that there's no point for me.
I mainly use my card for development. I want the latest features, but performance isn't really a big deal.
As a result, videocards are pretty much 'disposable' to me. Depending on how quickly the technology progresses, I buy a new card every 1-2 years, to keep up-to-date.
I just think it's a waste to spend 500+ euros on a card that I'm only going to use for a short period, and where performance isn't really an issue. I just get more noise, heat and power consumption.

 

[v8envy]

So when did enthusiast forums become beachhead for cheaper sub performing parts.

When performance became Good Enough. It's a no-brainer that spending the most you can will get you the best of everything. However. A more interesting engineering (and enthusiast) excercise is to pick local maxima for price, performance and efficiency.

 

[veri745]

Although since DX11 is brand new, we will be able to see the tendency for some time, even with DX10 cards still being sold.

In a few months we will be able to have a more accurate picture of what direction the market share is going.

But even then, it's hard to derive what happened in Q1 2010 based on 1 quarter (really only 1 month) of Nvidia Fermi sales and 3 quarters of ATI DX11 sales.

 

[Nemesis 1]

When performance became Good Enough. It's a no-brainer that spending the most you can will get you the best of everything. However. A more interesting engineering (and enthusiast) excercise is to pick local maxima for price, performance and efficiency.

I kinda sort of agree. I stated as much along time ago. What I want to see is BD beat SB . Than and only than , When AMD pricies sore. And Intels stays in place . Will I except this as the trueth behind this sudden Insight I am seeing threw out the forums

But for Now I see it only as a deceptive practice and a tactic.

 

[postmortemIA]

When performance became Good Enough. It's a no-brainer that spending the most you can will get you the best of everything. However. A more interesting engineering (and enthusiast) excercise is to pick local maxima for price, performance and efficiency.

Strongly agree - I don't buy new card when faster one appears on market. I buy it when I can't game anymore on my native resolution.

BTW Is it it hard to understand that this research data was quarter to quarter only?

 

[Lonbjerg]

But even then, it's hard to derive what happened in Q1 2010 based on 1 quarter (really only 1 month) of Nvidia Fermi sales and 3 quarters of ATI DX11 sales.

Don't say that...you break the illusion that AMD is the market leader