"AMD calls nVidia's marketing bluff"

[james1701]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: bryanW1995


Maybe wreckage can go to a quaddro forum and talk shit about the green team's 95% control of THAT market...

That's ok, I'm happy with their nearly 70% of the video card market.

Out of curiosity, how long have they had that much market share, and when was the last poll done? AMD has had nothing but fire sales for the last 6 months on their cards, since the launch of the 5000 series, other than the top model, except if you are into folding, there is no reason not to buy a red team card, if you are looking for a new card right now. With all the new hardware out, I am sure they might still hold a 45-50% lead, but when does that number get rechecked for market share? I am sure the enthusiast market has to count for something in that percentage.

I am surprised AMD is not raking MS over the coals for this oversight. I am sure they grease their share of pockets, I doubt the will let it go unnoticed.

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: james1701

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: bryanW1995


Maybe wreckage can go to a quaddro forum and talk shit about the green team's 95% control of THAT market...

That's ok, I'm happy with their nearly 70% of the video card market.

Out of curiosity, how long have they had that much market share, and when was the last poll done? AMD has had nothing but fire sales for the last 6 months on their cards, since the launch of the 5000 series, other than the top model, and if you are into folding, there is no reason not to buy a red team card, if you are looking for a new card right now. With all the new hardware out, I am sure they might still hold a 45-50% lead, but when does that number get rechecked for market share? I am sure the enthusiast market has to count for something in that percentage.

I am surprised AMD is not raking MS over the coals for this oversight. I am sure they grease their share of pockets, I doubt the will let it go unnoticed.

why the comment about "if you are into folding"? from what I can find a gtx 275 beats the crap out of a 5870 at folding right now. Heck, an 8800gt probably beats it. Yes, the 3rd gpu version is supposed to support opencl, but when will that arrive? Here's a typical article that I found:

http://www.brightsideofnews.co...870-is-as-slow-as-4870!.aspx

 

[soybeast]

Originally posted by: Schmide

Originally posted by: Wreckage
That's ok, I'm happy with their nearly 70% of the video card market.

Honest question. Why?

FFS. STOP FEEDING THE TROLL.

 

[Schmide]

Originally posted by: soybeast

Originally posted by: Schmide

Originally posted by: Wreckage
That's ok, I'm happy with their nearly 70% of the video card market.

Honest question. Why?

FFS. STOP FEEDING THE TROLL.

Wreckage isn't going away. Has anyone asked this question before? I would say your response to my response feeds him more than asking what his true motivations are. No need to single me out FFS.

 

[Forumpanda]

I'm thinking wreckage is actually an AT employee posting to generate more page views!

 

[soybeast]

Originally posted by: Schmide

Originally posted by: soybeast

Originally posted by: Schmide

Originally posted by: Wreckage
That's ok, I'm happy with their nearly 70% of the video card market.

Honest question. Why?

FFS. STOP FEEDING THE TROLL.

Wreckage isn't going away. Has anyone asked this question before? I would say your response to my response feeds him more than asking what his true motivations are. No need to single me out FFS.

Sorry, not trying to single you out. Just trying to say in as little amount of words possible that he'll probably eventually just go away if you don't even acknowledge his presence. It'll make the forums more readable

 

[dguy6789]

Originally posted by: Schmide

Originally posted by: soybeast

Originally posted by: Schmide

Originally posted by: Wreckage
That's ok, I'm happy with their nearly 70% of the video card market.

Honest question. Why?

FFS. STOP FEEDING THE TROLL.

Wreckage isn't going away. Has anyone asked this question before? I would say your response to my response feeds him more than asking what his true motivations are. No need to single me out FFS.

Why is anyone a fanboy? Because they have a product from said company and feel compelled to justify their purchase. Eventually they(hopefully) grow up and start looking at more reasonable reasons to favor a product. (Such as how good it actually is)

Nobody should ever arbitrarily favor one company over another. It's anti-competitive and promotes having less than ideal products prosper for lengthy periods of time. Consumers need to buy whatever the best product at the price is without regard to the company who made it. Product quality should dictate purchases, not name brand loyalty. This ensures that huge companies don't get an easy ride and slack off on products and small companies that are really innovative have a chance at getting into and staying in the game, creating more competition and resulting in even better products from every company.

 

[james1701]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995

Originally posted by: james1701

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: bryanW1995


Maybe wreckage can go to a quaddro forum and talk shit about the green team's 95% control of THAT market...

That's ok, I'm happy with their nearly 70% of the video card market.

Out of curiosity, how long have they had that much market share, and when was the last poll done? AMD has had nothing but fire sales for the last 6 months on their cards, since the launch of the 5000 series, other than the top model, and if you are into folding, there is no reason not to buy a red team card, if you are looking for a new card right now. With all the new hardware out, I am sure they might still hold a 45-50% lead, but when does that number get rechecked for market share? I am sure the enthusiast market has to count for something in that percentage.

I am surprised AMD is not raking MS over the coals for this oversight. I am sure they grease their share of pockets, I doubt the will let it go unnoticed.

why the comment about "if you are into folding"? from what I can find a gtx 275 beats the crap out of a 5870 at folding right now. Heck, an 8800gt probably beats it. Yes, the 3rd gpu version is supposed to support opencl, but when will that arrive? Here's a typical article that I found:

http://www.brightsideofnews.co...870-is-as-slow-as-4870!.aspx

My bad, brain going faster than fingers. That should have read except. Unless something new has happened, my 8800GT should still outscore and AMD card.

I really can't add Phsx, or what ever they call it, because its been patched. Right now there is only two things keeping my from buying a red card right now, Crysis 2 is not out, and I am broke. If option 1 comes into play, then I will buy a new card regardless of option 2. There are plenty of new DX11 games coming out, but nothing that says I need a new card tonight, but I still don't have a good reason to go team green if I walked out the door to buy it right now.

 

[Concillian]

The 'better products through marketing' companies tend to do pretty well, so it's not really a bad thing for nVidia to be seen as. I mean Bose does great, and Comcast seems to do pretty well too. So they aren't well liked amongst the 'elite'... what do they care if they're raking it in from the ignorant herd of sheep known as the average consumer.

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: thilanliyan

Originally posted by: Wreckage
It's funny that Thilan posts this clearly inflammatory article and yet the same people who crapped all over my patent thread are strangely silent here. I wonder why?

The article is just as much about AMD's failings (there's no reason (unless it would have cost them a ridiculous amount of money) AMD should have allowed themselves to be left out of that launch) as it is about nV's business practices (which is what I'm guessing you think the article is only about). Actually I blame MS more than anyone else for that.

At best the blame should really be restricted to the handful of specific MS employees involved at the PR event...for all we know they really weren't aware of AMD's DX11 offerings. Probably not fair to paint all of MS with an immensely wide brush on this one.

AMD is very much a "if we build it, they will come" type engineering company. That's something they definitely brought to the ATI relationship.

 

[Genx87]

AMD playing second fiddle to market leaders? Say it aint so!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AMD has been doing this since basically its inception.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: Forumpanda
I'm thinking wreckage is actually an AT employee posting to generate more page views!

Well then everyone should love me :heart: I'm like Charlie but with facts and logic.

Originally posted by: Schmide


Honest question. Why?

Call it karma.

:beer:

 

[KIAman]

Those Microsoft reps have just secured a job at Nvidia when they eventually get tossed out.

I do not agree with AMD in thinking this was simply an oversight. This was intentional. Microsoft has just as much to gain with the push for DX11 as AMD does and they've been working intimately together to bring this union via Windows 7, which is MS next bread and butter. If those MS reps simply made a mistake, then they are either not involved with their own products (unlikely) or so stupid, they should be fired (somewhat unlikely).

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: Idontcare
At best the blame should really be restricted to the handful of specific MS employees involved at the PR event...for all we know they really weren't aware of AMD's DX11 offerings. Probably not fair to paint all of MS with an immensely wide brush on this one.

Well I really hope it was an oversight...but on such a big launch it seems unlikely that they would be unaware of the only hardware capable of running a huge part of your new OS.

 

[evolucion8]

Originally posted by: Wreckage
Well then everyone should hate me :frown::disgust::brokenheart::evil::thumbsdown: I'm like Charlie but with even more lies and FUD.

Fixed

 

[dflynchimp]

Originally posted by: evolucion8

Originally posted by: Wreckage
Well then everyone should hate me :frown::disgust::brokenheart::evil::thumbsdown: I'm like Charlie but with even more lies and FUD.

Fixed

Proofread

 

[tviceman]

This thread is near pointless. The fact is, Nvidia paid to be at that launch party/conference. AMD did not. Had AMD ponied up the cash, they would have been there to promote their products. Yes they have DX11 parts now, but if they aren't willing to spend money on marketing those parts, then they have no room to knock another companies marketing strategies. Obviously Nvidia is doing something right with their marketing because the brand name is so well known and, despite having older hardware with less features, they're still getting all the mainstream media attention.

AMD has the hardware, now they need to step up and show it off properly instead of just sending out power point slides bashing nvidia.

 

[Meghan54]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: Forumpanda
I'm thinking wreckage is actually an AT employee posting to generate more page views!

Well then everyone should love me :heart: I'm like Charlie but with absolutely no facts or logic.....only blind obedience and devotion to a soulless multinational corporation that has absolutely no concern for me or any other consumer, other than extracting every possible dollar they can from me and everyone else.

Fixed.

 

[T2k]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995

Originally posted by: MarcVenice
Pretty stupid to say the least, because during the London launch event of the Evergreen family, there were M$ reps present. AMD has been working with M$ on dx11, I mean how could they not. So M$ is aware, but the guy either got bought of or had a complete mental breakdown

What hardware do you think M$ tests DX11 functionality in Windows 7 with?

wreckage told me about that dude with 7 es gt300 cards. he probably got them when MS was done testing win 7 with them.

Right, Wreckage told you.... because he knows a lot... especially about cards that does not even exist yet, ROFLMAO...

Jesus people, grow up, FGS.

regardless of "why" it happened amd needs to pull their head out of their ass and use this passing advantage to effect. Nvidia is sure to come back as strong as ever, it might be many many years before this happens again.

When will you people realize that Nvidia's days are counted unless they will transition to a niche GPGPU solution company and create their own new market? Few more years and CPU-GPU fusions are done (Intel and AMD, the two x86 mfr) and that's when NV will be out in the cold unless it manages to change the game before it happens...

 

[poohbear]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995
We should change the title of this thread to "ATI marketing is so crappy that they aren't even invited to the dance when they have the only girl in town".

i agree. ATI really needs to do something about its marketing, if they neglect it its their own fault. Im not saying go all out on hype like some companies do, but atleast get the word out that YOU have the next gen technology out now. Not everyone is an ubergeek and knows this stuff.

 

[Kakkoii]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L...ith_DirectX_11_support

There's no real need to get a DX11 card this year. Battleforge is "meh" game, Stalker is pretty good, and Dirt 2 looks interesting. Those are the only DX11 titles coming out this year. By the time there's good reason to get a DX11 card, Nvidia will have it's cards out and people will be able to make an educated decision on who to go with for DX11.

 

[Kakkoii]

Originally posted by: T2k

Originally posted by: bryanW1995

Originally posted by: MarcVenice
Pretty stupid to say the least, because during the London launch event of the Evergreen family, there were M$ reps present. AMD has been working with M$ on dx11, I mean how could they not. So M$ is aware, but the guy either got bought of or had a complete mental breakdown

What hardware do you think M$ tests DX11 functionality in Windows 7 with?

wreckage told me about that dude with 7 es gt300 cards. he probably got them when MS was done testing win 7 with them.

Right, Wreckage told you.... because he knows a lot... especially about cards that does not even exist yet, ROFLMAO...

Jesus people, grow up, FGS.

regardless of "why" it happened amd needs to pull their head out of their ass and use this passing advantage to effect. Nvidia is sure to come back as strong as ever, it might be many many years before this happens again.

When will you people realize that Nvidia's days are counted unless they will transition to a niche GPGPU solution company and create their own new market? Few more years and CPU-GPU fusions are done (Intel and AMD, the two x86 mfr) and that's when NV will be out in the cold unless it manages to change the game before it happens...

Nvidia is changing the game once Fermi comes. They aren't going to need to create their own new market. The market already exists. From game/video production, to science, to the internet. There is a huge market for fast and efficient server farms. Pixar for example will be able to render their movies a hell of a lot faster if they switch to a Fermi based cluster and port their code over.

So Nvidia isn't creating a new market, but changing up one of the biggest and oldest ones.

 

[Schmide]

Originally posted by: Kakkoii
Nvidia is changing the game once Fermi comes. They aren't going to need to create their own new market. The market already exists. From game/video production, to science, to the internet. There is a huge market for fast and efficient server farms. Pixar for example will be able to render their movies a hell of a lot faster if they switch to a Fermi based cluster and port their code over.

So Nvidia isn't creating a new market, but changing up one of the biggest and oldest ones.

Are you sure changing is the right word? From what we have all read Fermi seems to be bigger, a bit more efficient (threading), and yes more powerful. The type of processing will remain the same, massively parallel yet devoid of logic.

In the end the true test will be the power/performance numbers.

 

[Kakkoii]

Originally posted by: Schmide

Originally posted by: Kakkoii
Nvidia is changing the game once Fermi comes. They aren't going to need to create their own new market. The market already exists. From game/video production, to science, to the internet. There is a huge market for fast and efficient server farms. Pixar for example will be able to render their movies a hell of a lot faster if they switch to a Fermi based cluster and port their code over.

So Nvidia isn't creating a new market, but changing up one of the biggest and oldest ones.

Are you sure changing is the right word? From what we have all read Fermi seems to be bigger, a bit more efficient (threading), and yes more powerful. The type of processing will remain the same, massively parallel yet devoid of logic.

In the end the true test will be the power/performance numbers.

Well I meant changing from the status quo. Currently server farms mostly use massive amounts of power sucking CPU's. They'll change the game up with much better price/performance ratio and lower energy cost's. And yeah the processing will stay the same for the most part.

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: Kakkoii

Originally posted by: Schmide

Originally posted by: Kakkoii
Nvidia is changing the game once Fermi comes. They aren't going to need to create their own new market. The market already exists. From game/video production, to science, to the internet. There is a huge market for fast and efficient server farms. Pixar for example will be able to render their movies a hell of a lot faster if they switch to a Fermi based cluster and port their code over.

So Nvidia isn't creating a new market, but changing up one of the biggest and oldest ones.

Are you sure changing is the right word? From what we have all read Fermi seems to be bigger, a bit more efficient (threading), and yes more powerful. The type of processing will remain the same, massively parallel yet devoid of logic.

In the end the true test will be the power/performance numbers.

Well I meant changing from the status quo. Currently server farms mostly use massive amounts of power sucking CPU's. They'll change the game up with much better price/performance ratio and lower energy cost's. And yeah the processing will stay the same for the most part.

It will be interesting to see if Nvidia can generate traction at a rate better than Intel did with Itanium in the marketspaces that required displacing COTS (commodity off the shelf) x86-based clusters and servers. (and perhaps one could even include the DEC alpha desktop processor with FX32 translator, etc, same barrier to entry essentially)

From a high level perspective the same barriers to entry surround Fermi/Tesla as did Itanium, both can scale select applications like mad but you must make serious investments recoding applications for the new architecture to extract that performance otherwise the performance/watt and scaling advantages fail to fall thru to the bottom-line.