No.Its possible with update agesa code lock teh chip? And after with older agesa to do unlocked again? because Im thinking about A12 9800, but Im not sure what happen after launch desktop boards (BIOS with new code?)...
What happened to the screen shots of the motherboard they are no longer working..?? Could you please repost them??
It's not wierd at all. Chipset and iGPU needs a seperate phase, thats why its like that. Also the board could be limited to 95W chip, in which case with decent vrms there really is no need for extra cooling.What's up with these AM4 boards with black PCBs? The Asus trial board used to hit 4.8 GHz on an A12-9800 looked the same. Btw the total lack of VRM cooling on that Gigabyte board is really disappointing. And 4+3 seems weird but whatever.
Well, one has 2 dimms and one has 4. One is clearly a much lower end board than the other.With a difference that this "low-end" board has 4 DIMMs, M2, USB 3.1, RAID and probably supports CPU OC. I know you can't expect a lot with power phase design like this (and without heatsinks), but it's not about performance, it's about feeling of being locked
In my opinion, this board (and similar ones) would be a great choice even for Zen CPUs (if you are not interested in OC or CF/SLI). Though we still have to wait to see the price (I doubt it will be less than 80$/€, and that is not so low-end, it more mid-range)
I wonder if it's cheaper to add a sata/usb hub for extra ports or just add a320 chipsetThe board bellow only has 2x Memory slots, single 16x PCIe slot, no M2 and should be no more expensive that those H110 boards. This is entry-level AM4 cheap motherboard.
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4+2 (VDD_CR / VDD_SoC) will be the most common config. 3-phase "NB" (VDD_SoC) config is extremely rare and supported just by a single controller model (AFAIK). Gigabyte seems to be using three phase VDD_SoC so that they can skimp in the component quality. Those 4+3 phase Gigabyte boards appear to be using ISL95712, which is a jellybean part (the very reason they are using it). Four integrated gate drivers and analog outside the communications (SVI2).I wonder if it's cheaper to add a sata/usb hub for extra ports or just add a320 chipset
Also i do wonder whats the cheapest/bare minimum vrm config ?
3+3 ?
I'd say all desktop boards, intended for a desktop CPU / APU / SoC < 65$ are garbage, regardless of the brand or the platform. Socket 1151 motherboards are pretty much the closest match we currently have for AM4, IMO.How about cost wise ? Is a bare minimum vrm noticeably more expensive than something used on fm2+ or 1151 board ?
I'm just trying to figure out the bare minimum pricing for entry level boards.
Garbage in what sense ?I'd say all desktop boards, intended for a desktop CPU / APU / SoC < 65$ are garbage, regardless of the brand or the platform. Socket 1151 motherboards are pretty much the closest match we currently have for AM4, IMO.
While the AM4 infra is similar to FM2+, it is much more demanding for both of the power planes (but especially for the CPU plane, due compability requirement with Zeppelin).
Component quality, design and features.Garbage in what sense ?
I've had nothing but good experience with cheap board in the ~50€ range. Granted, the builds i've done are usually with lower end cpus like i3s and pentium, but still. I have yet to have one fail on me.
Flexibility. One pays for convenience as a rule.Garbage in what sense ?
Not gonna comment on 4+3, I think The Stilt already said what needed to be said there. But no cooling + 4+2/4+3 config = OC disappointment. I saw this a lot on the OCN forums when somebody showed up with XYZ motherboard wondering why their Kaveri OC didn't go the way they wanted it to go, or why there was funky iGPU throttling with such and such BIOS/UEFI revision . . . man I am glad I did not have to put up with any boards like that.It's not wierd at all. Chipset and iGPU needs a seperate phase, thats why its like that. Also the board could be limited to 95W chip, in which case with decent vrms there really is no need for extra cooling.
See above, watching people fight with "lesser" chipset motherboards could be painful at times. If all you want is stock clocks and you aren't pushing your system very hard, you can get away with it. The lack of quality shows when you start to ask for more from your system.Yes, I was talking about the other one. Still, it's good if B350 chipset (if this really is GA-B350M-DS3H) has all of those things and you don't have to go for "premium" board if you need those features (you have to go for H170 if you need RAID or Z170 if you want to OC just a little bit).
It might be the same as with FM2+, where A68H were quite decent low-end MBs, and A78 weren't so bad compared to A88 (you had RAID, 4 DIMMs, OC features).
I thought there was something strange there . . . thanks for the commentary.4+2 (VDD_CR / VDD_SoC) will be the most common config. 3-phase "NB" (VDD_SoC) config is extremely rare and supported just by a single controller model (AFAIK). Gigabyte seems to be using three phase VDD_SoC so that they can skimp in the component quality. Those 4+3 phase Gigabyte boards appear to be using ISL95712, which is a jellybean part (the very reason they are using it). Four integrated gate drivers and analog outside the communications (SVI2).
Honestly I hope we see at least one or two 8+2 designs (or 4+1 designs with doublers) in B350 so that people who buy in now won't get burned later when they try to go Summit Ridge or Raven Ridge. Maybe Asus will come through for us. The more 4+2 boards we see now, the worse things will get down the road when people try putting together "budget" Summit Ridge systems and then get all confused when throttling happens.For a 8C/16T Zeppelin I wouldn't even consider a motherboard with a 4+2 phase config. While a making a board with sufficient 4+2 phase VRM is entirely possible (as previously said), none of the manufacturers will use high enough quality components in their boards to make a 4+2 phase configuration good enough. A native 6+2 phase configuration will be used on the high quality mainstream / high-end boards. There will most definitely be doubled (4+1 to 8+2, etc) solutions too, especially in the cheaper "enthusiast" / "high-end" boards.
The VRM requirements on Zeppelin & Raven are not demanding due the high power draw, but due the high current draw.
You don't honestly expect this to happen, do you?Either that, or Summit Ridge needs to be taken off the compatibility lists for some of the boards hitting the market in this month or the next.
Yup, no DDR3 support for AM4. Intel Kabylake was supposed to be DDR4 exclusive too...There is no DDR3 support for AM4.
That makes no sense. Preventing those who bought DDR3 Skylake boards from upgrading, and incurring more validation costs, having to re-validate the memory controller, after removing DDR3 support? I don't buy it.Intel Kabylake was supposed to be DDR4 exclusive too...
You're thinking of Cannon Lake (which I guess includes Coffee Lake now), which doesn't support DDR3L at all.Yup, no DDR3 support for AM4. Intel Kabylake was supposed to be DDR4 exclusive too...
I can dream. And yeah the Extreme 6+ is a major disappointment. Anyone who bought that . . . ugh.You don't honestly expect this to happen, do you?
Does Bristol Ridge even have DDR3 support in its IMC? I'm thinking not.There is no DDR3 support for AM4.
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