AMD Boys lend me your knowledge: Edit Gonna Pull the trigger need immediate advice!!!

[Zebo]

You asked BBFTB which is a skt 754...A 754 system can be had for less than $180 new while the cheapest 939 setup will cost you $269. IMO that's signifigant premium for very little advantage since A64's have such LL already with OB mem controller the dual will only net you 1-5% performance depending on bench which 939's 30% price premium does'nt justify. If somthing costs 30% more it better be 30% faster or it's by comupter definition a poor value.

Next up is the very conflicting overclocking results with 939. Sure anand managed to get 2.6. I did'nt, Mark did'nt, Lithan did'nt and just about every I taked to did'nt. While OTOH every single AX cored 754 hits 2.5 from what I've seen. It's more mature is why while the 90nm process is in its infancy for AMD.

gluck with the 3000 winny since that's what you got. I'd prolly bought a real video card instead since your running a very fast northwood alreadyl

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Duvie
Why do some ppl act as if you are kicking them in the nads if you don't pick what they had?? Huh Zebo???

I could give a crap what you buy. Get a FX I won't insult your choice. But when someone ask best bang I'm going to try and give an accuate opinion based on the facts, price/performance.

 

[CaiNaM]

my s754 system overclocks to the same as my 939 - 2.45-2.5ghz depending on how comfortable i am with voltage...

i favor the s939 more for the later core revisions that are upcoming than i do for the ones avail now; performance there's not much, if any difference while the s754 is slighty less expensive - no really good inexpensive boards out there like the chaintech vnf3 for $70 or the dfi lanparty for $100, imo giving the 130nm the best "bang for the buck" award at this time.

 

[Duvie]

Reliable anandtech review showed that the 3000+ sckt 939 did beat the sckt 754 3000+ in about every game. I imagine in more memory bandwidth intensive apps it will , but in cpu dependent clock speed will be a determing factor and therefore 2.4ghz is 2.4ghz no matter.


I have seen more 2.4's to 2.5's then anandtech's 2.6ghz. I would say 2.4 is realistic, 2.5 would be great and 2.6 would be jump up for joy....

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: Zebo
You asked BBFTB which is a skt 754...A 754 system can be had for less than $180 new while the cheapest 939 setup will cost you $269. IMO that's signifigant premium for very little advantage since A64's have such LL already with OB mem controller the dual will only net you 1-5% performance depending on bench which 939's 30% price premium does'nt justify. If somthing costs 30% more it better be 30% faster or it's by comupter definition a poor value.

Next up is the very conflicting overclocking results with 939. Sure anand managed to get 2.6. I did'nt, Mark did'nt, Lithan did'nt and just about every I taked to did'nt. While OTOH every single AX cored 754 hits 2.5 from what I've seen. It's more mature is why while the 90nm process is in its infancy for AMD.

gluck with the 3000 winny since that's what you got. I'd prolly bought a real video card instead since your running a very fast northwood alreadyl

So I can price a sckt 754 .13nm chip (3000+) model with a board with oc rich features for 180.00 dollars?? OK where...Considering the chip will be 139 according to lowest at pricewatch. So what mobo for 40 bucks...I think your numbers are fubarred.


I already said numerous times why I want the sckt 939. I plan on as prices drop and newer stepping chips come out that I will maybe pop a 3500+ in here in a few months and try for an assualt on 2.8ghz. Who knows with the newer steppings to be released the fact is ae they going to continue the sckt 754 outside of the semprons???

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Duvie

Originally posted by: Zebo
You asked BBFTB which is a skt 754...A 754 system can be had for less than $180 new while the cheapest 939 setup will cost you $269. IMO that's signifigant premium for very little advantage since A64's have such LL already with OB mem controller the dual will only net you 1-5% performance depending on bench which 939's 30% price premium does'nt justify. If somthing costs 30% more it better be 30% faster or it's by comupter definition a poor value.

Next up is the very conflicting overclocking results with 939. Sure anand managed to get 2.6. I did'nt, Mark did'nt, Lithan did'nt and just about every I taked to did'nt. While OTOH every single AX cored 754 hits 2.5 from what I've seen. It's more mature is why while the 90nm process is in its infancy for AMD.

gluck with the 3000 winny since that's what you got. I'd prolly bought a real video card instead since your running a very fast northwood alreadyl

So I can price a sckt 754 .13nm chip (3000+) model with a board with oc rich features for 180.00 dollars?? OK where...Considering the chip will be 139 according to lowest at pricewatch. So what mobo for 40 bucks...I think your numbers are fubarred.


I already said numerous times why I want the sckt 939. I plan on as prices drop and newer stepping chips come out that I will maybe pop a 3500+ in here in a few months and try for an assualt on 2.8ghz. Who knows with the newer steppings to be released the fact is ae they going to continue the sckt 754 outside of the semprons???

$182 But appears over. Neverheless, Mwave.com sells everyday @$192. http://www.mwave.com/mwave/Pro...ard+Bundles+By+AMD+CPU
(add Chaintech VNF3-250 to 2800)

Hey that's cool you want 939 just don't think 754 is a bad deal.. Inspite of it's relative oldness it offers indicerable performance really, great overclcokers too, better mobo selection and more value in it's pricing.

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Duvie

Originally posted by: Zebo
You asked BBFTB which is a skt 754...A 754 system can be had for less than $180 new while the cheapest 939 setup will cost you $269. IMO that's signifigant premium for very little advantage since A64's have such LL already with OB mem controller the dual will only net you 1-5% performance depending on bench which 939's 30% price premium does'nt justify. If somthing costs 30% more it better be 30% faster or it's by comupter definition a poor value.

Next up is the very conflicting overclocking results with 939. Sure anand managed to get 2.6. I did'nt, Mark did'nt, Lithan did'nt and just about every I taked to did'nt. While OTOH every single AX cored 754 hits 2.5 from what I've seen. It's more mature is why while the 90nm process is in its infancy for AMD.

gluck with the 3000 winny since that's what you got. I'd prolly bought a real video card instead since your running a very fast northwood alreadyl

So I can price a sckt 754 .13nm chip (3000+) model with a board with oc rich features for 180.00 dollars?? OK where...Considering the chip will be 139 according to lowest at pricewatch. So what mobo for 40 bucks...I think your numbers are fubarred.


I already said numerous times why I want the sckt 939. I plan on as prices drop and newer stepping chips come out that I will maybe pop a 3500+ in here in a few months and try for an assualt on 2.8ghz. Who knows with the newer steppings to be released the fact is ae they going to continue the sckt 754 outside of the semprons???

$182 But appears over. Neverheless, Mwave.com sells everyday @$192. http://www.mwave.com/mwave/Pro...ard+Bundles+By+AMD+CPU
(add Chaintech VNF3-250 to 2800)

Hey that's cool you want 939 just don't think 754 is a bad deal.. Inspite of it's relative oldness it offers indicerable performance really, great overclcokers too, better mobo selection and more value in it's pricing.

Actaully according to that link a 3000+ not the 2800+ (both your links are for 2800+ chips and not 3000+ chips, 90nm had no 2800+ chip) with the cheapest mobo 62 an Epox makes it 206+ dollars....Lets just get the numbers 100% right. The fact is whether I got sckt 754 or sckt 939 the fact was I was going to go with a top of the line ocing featured board and I know that it would have been no where near 62 dollars. trhe fcat is sckt 754 and sckt 939 3000+ cpus are virtually identical in cost. I may have saved 30 bucks on the board liklely...

I have never said 754 was not a bad deal. I read the same articles as you that show they have about the same ceiling right now with a few reviews each way haveing one scky clock a bit higher then the other.....

I think for 30 more bucks if that is safe to say can result in sloghtly less temps (3c may be neglible for some) and maybe a few more quick cpu upgrades before a new mobo is warranted...

Thanks for the discussion though. It has all been informative, ad has forced me to look at a lot of reviews...

Edit: I see where you were going with the 2800+ now (duh!!!). I agree cause chances are if they had a 2800+ 90nm I may have jumped on it though the multplier there would have likley been an 8 and that would have been piss low....