AMD Boys lend me your knowledge: Edit Gonna Pull the trigger need immediate advice!!!

[Duvie]

I am going to order : from monarchcomputers.com

AMD Athlon 64 3000+ 512K 90nm (939) $140.00

MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum Audio/GB-LAN/USB/IEEE/SATA/DDR-400/ATX 64 (939) $139.00

all free shipping...

Thermalright SLK 948U $41.00

I have 92mm and 80mm fans if I decide to go one way or another...

or

Thermalright XP-90 $45.00




Any ideas on HSF if you think that is wrong or overly wasteful....

I could get Thermaltake fans ranging 25-35 dollars with fans included...












I need to know what is the best

1) cpu / mopo/ aftermarket HSF combo for ocing...

2) Let me know what the best speeds are being reached and what is the lowest speed cheapest cpu I can buy to try to attain this....

Basically think of me as real cheap!!! LOL,,, I paid 180 dollars for my 2.4c that does 3.5ghz at a time when there was no 3.4c or gretaer chip. I want a chip I can OC to levels that dont exist for retail right now.....

I want cooler, quiter system and want to try out 64bit precision with some CAD apps I have in terms of quality and depth of the images.

I will keep my INtel setup for the time being just for my CAD rendering, but I want to test it a bit myself.


I need to know best socket in your opinion to go with....

I also see that 4000+ or 2.4ghz is the best in speed so I guess I want something that can do this to 2.5ghz on air. I have a great case and cooling system now, but I would like to get the best aftermarket HSF and try to lose some of the 5 case fans...

 

[RealityTime]

Originally posted by: Duvie
I need to know what is the best

1) cpu / mopo/ aftermarket HSF combo for ocing...

2) Let me know what the best speeds are being reached and what is the lowest speed cheapest cpu I can buy to try to attain this....

Basically think of me as real cheap!!! LOL,,, I paid 180 dollars for my 2.4c that does 3.5ghz at a time when there was no 3.4c or gretaer chip. I want a chip I can OC to levels that dont exist for retail right now.....

I want cooler, quiter system and want to try out 64bit precision with some CAD apps I have in terms of quality and depth of the images.

I will keep my INtel setup for the time being just for my CAD rendering, but I want to test it a bit myself.


I need to know best socket in your opinion to go with....

I also see that 4000+ or 2.4ghz is the best in speed so I guess I want something that can do this to 2.5ghz on air. I have a great case and cooling system now, but I would like to get the best aftermarket HSF and try to lose some of the 5 case fans...

i'd guess for sure an a64 90nm part, since you want it cheap i can't say the 3500+ as that is a solid overclocker usually... (my 130nm 3500+ does 2.6 on air) a 3000+ or 3200+ probably go with the 3200+ I believe it is fairly cheap... should oc to 2.5 . As for a board the neo2 is conisdered the best oc'ing board for a64 939pin right now. going cheap though memory will be your issue you'll have to use cheaper memory ratioed back ... running at I'd guess 133 for an overclock to 2.5 on a 3000+ or 3200+.

 

[Duvie]

So I see about 174 for a 3200+ oem sckt 939 at monarch...i have bought from them they are fine...

I also see the NEO-2 Platinum...Should I go with something like this???...around 135-150's at many retailers.....

So about 310-325 range...Now give me a top of line HSF...


I will be using my Ultra geil Plat. (will they work. I have tested them to run 466mhz at cas 2 and 480mhz at cas 2.5....never tested past 2.78v or cas 3....

Also will want to use my Enermax 465, and all the rest of my components....

 

[Duvie]

Doing some reading on the board...

I need bios 1.3 or newer to run winchester in dual channle mode??? I though the A64's ondie memory was nly single channel with the opteron and FX models only being dual channel...

Also are there any known issues with using the onboard SATA and ocing successfully with these boards?? I have a raptor drive and need to know if I need to get an SATA standalone card...

 

[Markfw]

Socket 939 are dual channel. If you want to see in person, I have a 939 and 2 754 and a dual opteron system here. (I know you live across town)

Anyway, I didn;t have good luck with my 939 90nm, but they do seem to be the one to get. I think I got the wrong mobo (just hated to get MSI, but I think they seem to work the best) I am at 2235 from 2000 right now, and it does scream. Anyway PM me if you want to see in person before spending the money.

It could also be my memory. And many people get 2.6 from 1.8 or 2.0 on stock air cooling, but 2.5 is more common.

 

[Duvie]

Looking at the numbers it looks like the 3000+ maybe the best bang for the buck... 140 for OEM chip...cannot find a retail chip of this.....

Aftermarket HSF for 40 bucks....I will use 90mm panaflo or 80mm ystech adjustable fan (I own both)....

 

[Lithan]

ga-k8ns ultra 939 $110
939 3000+ $140

OR

8kda3j $75
754 3400+ $200

3000+/939 has more potential, 3400+/754 is more of a sure thing (stock @ 2.4ghz, a good number of 3000+ winchesters struggle to reach that even overvolted significantly.)

 

[Duvie]

I wont be getting a sckt 754 anything.....I have seen many getting 2.4ghz if not 2.5ghz with 1.55v....I stick with the newer yields...

 

[Toro 45]

Originally posted by: Lithan
ga-k8ns ultra 939 $110
939 3000+ $140

OR

8kda3j $75
754 3400+ $200

3000+/939 has more potential, 3400+/754 is more of a sure thing (stock @ 2.4ghz, a good number of 3000+ winchesters struggle to reach that even overvolted significantly.)

So if that 754 3000 is 2.4 at default what a likely overclock 2.5-2.6?

 

[gururu]

Originally posted by: Toro 45

Originally posted by: Lithan
ga-k8ns ultra 939 $110
939 3000+ $140

OR

8kda3j $75
754 3400+ $200

3000+/939 has more potential, 3400+/754 is more of a sure thing (stock @ 2.4ghz, a good number of 3000+ winchesters struggle to reach that even overvolted significantly.)

So if that 754 3000 is 2.4 at default what a likely overclock 2.5-2.6?

I believe the 754 3000+ newcastle is clocked at 2GHz.

 

[CaiNaM]

i personally thing the 3000+ is the best value for overclocking. too many posts by ppl with 3200+ who can't get above 2.2-2.3Ghz. still, you're not going to get a chip that "OC to levels that dont exist for retail right now" unless you go to an fx55 and overclock it, but that's not exaclty for people who are "cheap"

the ne02 plat has proven a solid board for me. im running my 3000+ @ 270fsb 1:1 memory right now w/ stock voltage and it's rock solid.

 

[Toro 45]

Originally posted by: gururu

Originally posted by: Toro 45

Originally posted by: Lithan
ga-k8ns ultra 939 $110
939 3000+ $140

OR

8kda3j $75
754 3400+ $200

3000+/939 has more potential, 3400+/754 is more of a sure thing (stock @ 2.4ghz, a good number of 3000+ winchesters struggle to reach that even overvolted significantly.)

So if that 754 3000 is 2.4 at default what a likely overclock 2.5-2.6?

I believe the 754 3000+ newcastle is clocked at 2GHz.

Looks like 2.4
$200.00 wouldn't be to bad if you could hit 2.6

 

[Duvie]

That pretty much sucks the fun out of ocing to only get 200mhz and be happy with it...Pay the least you can and get the most...

I don't really care I will get them and if they don't oc to the levels I want I will sell them, take the little loss, and try try again....

 

[TerminatorEX]

Im getting the same System this week. The only difference is that I brougth Abit aV8 Mboard for 60 after shitload rebates from Microcenter. I also brought TT slienttower for 45 dollar from Zipzoomfly. Thats the best aircooling heatsink u can get, but its huge and might break my board lol. As for memory, right now I will try with my PDP 3200LL 2x512. If I cant run over 250 FSB, I will probably end up getting a pair of 3200 XBL 2x256 for 110 from newegg, since that memory is the cheapest TCCD samsung chip I can find. (Gskill from excaliber is also pretty good at 130). Ok have fun OC this coming weekend for both of us GL

 

[rammstein junkie]

Originally posted by: Toro 45

Originally posted by: gururu

Originally posted by: Toro 45

Originally posted by: Lithan
ga-k8ns ultra 939 $110
939 3000+ $140

OR

8kda3j $75
754 3400+ $200

3000+/939 has more potential, 3400+/754 is more of a sure thing (stock @ 2.4ghz, a good number of 3000+ winchesters struggle to reach that even overvolted significantly.)

So if that 754 3000 is 2.4 at default what a likely overclock 2.5-2.6?

I believe the 754 3000+ newcastle is clocked at 2GHz.

Looks like 2.4
$200.00 wouldn't be to bad if you could hit 2.6

wow some people really need to read things more carefully

 

[Steeplerot]

3000+ winchester here with this 14.99 CPU fan there's not even any copper in the heatsink! (I hate gold color prefer silver).
2.52 ghz now I am going to go higher since this CPU primes at 36c-38c @ 2.52!!!!! 32idle 1.55v. (dual channel enabled also.)
GIGABYTE GA-K8NS Ultra-939 Mobo with it.

AMD is kickin serious ass with these 90nm parts so cool and OC madness.
I can't recommend these more strongly my mobile 2500+ is history with it's hot self.
And a prescott? hahahahaha rofl! intel pwnage for 148$.
HL2 sure is sweet. My FPS are almost double on my 9800XT over my mobile @ 2.4.
These A64 are real cool running overclockable like mad powerhouses.
Sorry for the rant I am just psyched about my new CPU as you can tell I was pretty impressed going from a mobile @2.4 and a P4c @3.6.
If I can get this thing day-to-day 2.6 on this cheap air I will make a new thread about it with benches My gf is using a network drive installed so I cant reboot to push it above 2.52 right now but it primed for 3 hours and played BF1942 online for a few hours last night, after bf1942 for a few hours 38c was my max temp :thumbsup:

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Duvie
I wont be getting a sckt 754 anything.....I have seen many getting 2.4ghz if not 2.5ghz with 1.55v....I stick with the newer yields...

Then you're not after "A64 bang for the buck setup..." but an overpriced 939 setup.

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...2981&enterthread=y

 

[Steeplerot]

How is 939 overpriced? I paid the same amount as a 754 but none of the obsolete stuff like no dual-channel and dead-end socket. Cooler running too. I paid 148$ off the egg for my winchester 3000+ 939 and it's idling sitting here at 2.55 35c on a 15$ HS. Thats not overpriced IMO but I guess I could have saved 1 dollar to get single channel ram and a hotter older chip
but that's not a "A64 bang for the buck setup..." IMO

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Duvie
I wont be getting a sckt 754 anything.....I have seen many getting 2.4ghz if not 2.5ghz with 1.55v....I stick with the newer yields...

Then you're not after "A64 bang for the buck setup..." but an overpriced 939 setup.

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...2981&enterthread=y

What are you smokin??? I got the 3000+ winchester which at stock is faster then the sckt 754 3000+ thanks to the dual channel controller for 140!!! Then yes I paid a bit more for the mobo then I could of, but I never skimp on the boards especially since I usually keep the board for a couple cpu upgrades....

Edit: By the way many ppl have these guys doing 2.4ghz and above with less then 1.6v of vcore....I think bang for the buck sckt 939 is what I was asking for but I think versus the sckt 754 though it may have the best overall price I don't think it necessarily beats the winchester in ocing plus gives me upgradeablility in the near future of 3 to 6 months with faster chips.....dual channel is the way to go for the few extra bucks IMO...

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Duvie

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Duvie
I wont be getting a sckt 754 anything.....I have seen many getting 2.4ghz if not 2.5ghz with 1.55v....I stick with the newer yields...

Then you're not after "A64 bang for the buck setup..." but an overpriced 939 setup.

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...2981&enterthread=y

What are you smokin??? I got the 3000+ winchester which at stock is faster then the sckt 754 3000+ thanks to the dual channel controller for 140!!! Then yes I paid a bit more for the mobo then I could of, but I never skimp on the boards especially since I usually keep the board for a couple cpu upgrades....

I wouldn't have skimped on a 754 board but I held out on a64 so I wouldn't get caught with a dead-end hotter older yield chip.
nforce 3 ultra is sweet!

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Duvie

Originally posted by: Zebo
By the way many ppl have these guys doing 2.4ghz and above with less then 1.6v of vcore...

Got mine last week 2.55 @ 1.55v maxes out in prime @ 38c

939 90nm > 754
1000th post :thumbsup:

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Duvie

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Duvie
I wont be getting a sckt 754 anything.....I have seen many getting 2.4ghz if not 2.5ghz with 1.55v....I stick with the newer yields...

Then you're not after "A64 bang for the buck setup..." but an overpriced 939 setup.

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...2981&enterthread=y

What are you smokin??? I got the 3000+ winchester which at stock is faster then the sckt 754 3000+ thanks to the dual channel controller for 140!!! Then yes I paid a bit more for the mobo then I could of, but I never skimp on the boards especially since I usually keep the board for a couple cpu upgrades....

Edit: By the way many ppl have these guys doing 2.4ghz and above with less then 1.6v of vcore....I think bang for the buck sckt 939 is what I was asking for but I think versus the sckt 754 though it may have the best overall price I don't think it necessarily beats the winchester in ocing plus gives me upgradeablility in the near future of 3 to 6 months with faster chips.....dual channel is the way to go for the few extra bucks IMO...

No it's not. Stock the 939 3000 loses in every single test to the skt 754 3000.
http://amdzone.com/modules.php...mp;artid=63&page=1


That pidly "dual channel", which makes 1-5% diff, can hope to match skt 754's 10% Mhz advantage.

I'm doing 2650 on a 754 AX cored NC which is much better than my 2350 Mhz on my winchester as the tests show it too by at least 10% in every bench. The skt 754 boards are infinitly better too in the DFI jap cap loaded 350Mhz capable board. And much cheaper in the likes of the Chaintech, Gigabyte, Asus $70 NF3 boards.

 

[Steeplerot]

I would rather spend a bit more on a board for features. Cheap mobos are not an option for my main rig. But I wouldn't spend close to 200$ on a DFI board. I spent a little over 100$ on my nforce3 ultra with tons of goodies. That paired with the 3000+ @2550 with inaudible cheap fan I am quite sure it would give your 754 a big run for it's money. Nonetheless 754 is awesome too!
This is getting very fanboish let's just say I am pleased with my rig moreso then I expected.
Props to AMD all around for the a64 chips no matter which kind you have. I prefer 90nm but that's me. :beer:

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Duvie

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Duvie
I wont be getting a sckt 754 anything.....I have seen many getting 2.4ghz if not 2.5ghz with 1.55v....I stick with the newer yields...

Then you're not after "A64 bang for the buck setup..." but an overpriced 939 setup.

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...2981&enterthread=y

What are you smokin??? I got the 3000+ winchester which at stock is faster then the sckt 754 3000+ thanks to the dual channel controller for 140!!! Then yes I paid a bit more for the mobo then I could of, but I never skimp on the boards especially since I usually keep the board for a couple cpu upgrades....

Edit: By the way many ppl have these guys doing 2.4ghz and above with less then 1.6v of vcore....I think bang for the buck sckt 939 is what I was asking for but I think versus the sckt 754 though it may have the best overall price I don't think it necessarily beats the winchester in ocing plus gives me upgradeablility in the near future of 3 to 6 months with faster chips.....dual channel is the way to go for the few extra bucks IMO...

No it's not. Stock the 939 3000 loses in every single test to the skt 754 3000.
http://amdzone.com/modules.php...mp;artid=63&page=1


That pidly "dual channel", which makes 1-5% diff, can hope to match skt 754's 10% Mhz advantage.

I'm doing 2650 on a 754 AX cored NC which is much better than my 2350 Mhz on my winchester as the tests show it too by at least 10% in every bench. The skt 754 boards are infinitly better too in the DFI jap cap loaded 350Mhz capable board. And much cheaper in the likes of the Chaintech, Gigabyte, Asus $70 NF3 boards.

you are rioght on the 3000+ but notice the test that showed the 3200+ and the 3500+ 90nm versus 130nm....Story changes in 2 of the reviews I read. Lets be honest if I don't have 3500+ speed I will be disappointed and try again. This is for ocing and according to the reviews I read if I get it up at 3200-3500+ levels it is indeed faster then the newcastle counterpart. The 3000+ is a bit of an anomoly, but I can't answer it and plan to spend no time at that level.....

read review at Xbitlabs.com and Bleedinedge.com (done by PastorJay)

Ultimately a few things here...

1) clock to clock it will be faster.

2) many say they both have near equal oc ceiling

3) sckt 939 gives me an upgrade path in the short term future for newer faster stepping chips

4) a couple reviews I have read showed a 3c cooler chip at same speed

5) dual channel controller like the FX chips which are the kings except this is had without the original FX premium.

 

[Duvie]

Why do some ppl act as if you are kicking them in the nads if you don't pick what they had?? Huh Zebo???