AMD Boards....

[urbantechie]

<< If I remember right, you're posting on an Athlon server. Just because there aren't as many in existence doesn't mean there aren't any. >>



I know there are Athlon servers out there, but like I said, I don't know anyone that has requested one or asked me to build one sure if Anandtech wants a Athlon server, let them, I can't hold them back. As example: A Consultant I know makes a living installing video cameras for survailence (the good ones that use CAT5 cable) he used to use P3s as the server, now he uses Thunderbirds. I'm cheering him on, but if it was a Classic Athlon..i'd be like this: :Q:disgust:

 

[urbantechie]

<< And the original i820 was a big hit, wonder why they realled that great board?? Check your facts before you make a statement like that. >>



The only boards that were the i820s that were recalled were the ones that used SDRAM and had a MTH. We used the i840 and i820(RDRAM) and works fine. Intel is by far supperior than the Asus/Abit/MSI boards but it has no overclocking capibiliies or is not as flexible. What kind of boards would you want to put in a Mission Critical server if you were making a home built one?


And Intel was nice enough to replace all CC820s with the MTH issue for vedors and resellers with sealed VC820s with 128MB of RIMM. Is that service or what?

 

[Instigator]

Nesud,

Speaking of not doing their homework:

<< you need to actually read the power spec for each rail to get a handle on whether the supply is capable of running a 750 fester reference design board My revision 1 ga-7IX ran fine on a cheap no brand 250 until i put the 800 in it. >>

Funny you must not have read to closely or you would have not tried to put a Athlon 800 into your motherboard with a 250 watt power supply. Geez, you talk big but then you go and do something like that. Tip number one...use an AMD approved 300 watt power supply.

<< Sounds to me like you did what every other amateur does when they don't do their homework. >>

Hmm, after not using an AMD approve 300 watt power supply with an 800 you call me an amateur. It's statements like that that make me laugh.

<< A considerable number of people in my area seem to respect my opinion since I am constantly asked for it so your low regard of me i don't find particularly troublesome. >>

Ditto

<< They were also known to function very well when good p.s. and memory were used. Did you experience this first hand? >>

They were also known to NOT function very well when using good p.s. and memory. You certainly didn't go into many discussion forums or news groups when the first motherboards came out. If you did you might understand there were definite issues with these boards. That's the key. I was FAR from the only person to have issues with those motherboards. In fact, Tom's Hardware had the same problems with some of those boards. Are you saying he was an amateur? Go ahead, tell me that you know more than him. And yes I experienced it first hand. I used several different types of memory on those motherboards and using cheap memory made several of them completely unstable. You have heard of testing before right?

<< You shouldn't make a generalized statement like that if you have no first hand knowledge of what you are talking about and since you only ever used only amd approved parts that couldn't be the case could it. >>

I've tested them with both generic and higher quality memory.

<< I personally never used anything off the recommended list I tested a few things first and found that the majority of cheap non approved parts still worked fine with the 750 boards. I stayed with what i knew worked so it was never a problem for me. >>

You are one funny guy. You state your knowledgable, and yet you don't use anything off the AMD recommended list. Do you think there was a reason for that list? This one quote sums you up:

<< I personally never used anything off the recommended list >>

And you call me an amateur and question how I build systems. WOW. You got no clue. I'm sure AMD just threw that list together just for laughs.

<< I certainly don't need your help with putting a stable system together. >>

Good luck, your going to need it. With comments like above you should do really well.

<< I am still curious as to why your business has to buy it's parts from retail dealers. >>

Because I don't purchase all my components wholesale. Why do your sources seem to provide you with more stable motherboards? Do they have some special deal with ASUS, MSI, etc that make them better?

<< It is obvious from you posts that your knowledge in that regard appears to be very limited. >>

I think you need to refer back to your quote about not using recommended parts, before you say my knowledge is limited.

 

[urbantechie]

This is turning into a heated argument!! :Q

 

[PCResources]

Urbantechie:

You are sold on Intel, nothing anyone can do about it.

I like AMD for two reasons, 1. they perform better than than any Intel CPU, 2. they are WAY cheaper.

So i have built some servers using the classic Athlon, the original MSI 6167 board, and i have never encoutered any problems with these servers. So why did i use the Athlon? Because it was not as expensive, and for the tasks at hand it was a very good performer, much better than the PIII.

So before you start crying about them crappy Athlons, maybe you should try them out for yourself? It really doesn't matter what you think of the classic athlon nowdays, because they are not sold anymore, this is the time of the T-bird.

And as for Intels boards and their superiority, i beg to differ, there has been plenty of problems with Intel boards.

Oh, by the way, i have a system running with a K6-III 450 in it, do you think i should exchange that CPU for a Pentium 233? It's stable, because there are no stability issues with the K6 line of CPU's, and it is a lot faster, but if you were me, you would replace it, right?

Patrick Palm

Am speaking for PC Resources

 

[PCResources]

<< I know there are Athlon servers out there, but like I said, I don't know anyone that has requested one or asked me to build one >>



I don't know what kind of customers you have, but my customers rarely request any particular part to be of any particular brand. They put their faith in me to build them systems that are good at getting the task at hand done.

And what i use nowdays (except for SMP servers obviously) is the AMD line of CPU's, classic Athlons, T-birds, Durons, K6-III's, these are the CPU's i use, not because i have some bias towards AMD, but because i believe that they are better and more priceworthy than the Intel line, and i spend very little time dealing with stability issues.

I always use components that i have tested in my lab and found to be stable, so i never have to think about which components to use in the computers. I just use the ones i have found to be stable, and all of the AMD cpu's are stable.

Patrick Palm

Am speaking for PC Resources

 

[PCResources]

Check out this link, it's a very well written article discussing the truth and lies about AMD vs Intel. It was written by Tom Pabst over at toms hardware.

AMD vs Intel

Patrick Palm

Am speaking for PC Resources

 

[urbantechie]

<< You are sold on Intel, nothing anyone can do about it. >>


I'm not sold on Intel. I use parts that give me stability FIRST TRY. Not all K6/* CPUs are bad. I actually have a K6-2 at home running fine. I'd take a Duron/T-Bird system anyday over a P3.



<< Oh, by the way, i have a system running with a K6-III 450 in it, do you think i should exchange that CPU for a Pentium 233? It's stable, because there are no stability issues with the K6 line of CPU's, and it is a lot faster, but if you were me, you would replace it, right? >>


Did I tell you I replace EVERY K6-2 I see? I actaully own one. (K6-2/3 whatever)



<< I don't know what kind of customers you have, but my customers rarely request any particular part to be of any particular brand. They put their faith in me to build them systems that are good at getting the task at hand done. >>


My customers acutally tell me what they want. They can build it themselves but don't have the time or whatever. We don't tell them what parts to use etc. They tell US.

 

[NesuD]

Go ahead and keep laughing Instigator you were the one complaining about the amd boards not me. I have not once complained about anything i have done with my fester design boards. My personal system is a test system I test parts for compatibility before I build a for sale system. That is why i don't need to necessarily stick to amd's recommended list. If you actually operated a real business you would probably understand the concept of compatibility testing. As it stands you are severely straining your credibility on this board with your unsupported opinions and nonsensical attacks on people who choose to base their ideas on facts rather than your amatuer opinion. This will be my last response in this thread as further posts would most like accomplish nothing.

 

[Shuxclams]

I am building yet another A7V+T-Bird for someone, this is getting to be as old hat as EP-MVP3G-M + K6-2/3 or BH6 + P-II/celeron, that I think should say something about AMD and stability, sure I have had some P-III business, but not in the past month or two....... Don't know why that is, maybe its because I can provide a 1GHz+ AMD rig for much less than a 933EB based rig.




SHUX

 

[urbantechie]

<< I am building yet another A7V+T-Bird for someone >>



Well I hope that isn't a argument if you know what I mean. I love T-Birds!

 

[PCResources]

<< I'm not sold on Intel. I use parts that give me stability FIRST TRY >>



Well, the f&iacute;rst SoundBlaster 16 card i had was not very stable, sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't, does that mean that i would never consider a SoundBlaster 16 again?? Nope, the trouble wasn't really the SB 16 it was the game.

So if you don't get a product to function perfectly, even if the fault is not within the product, but because you made a mistake the first time around, all of your customers will suffer? Well, if you really build systems for others, warn them of your ignorance before you make your sales, will ya.

Just a question, for which company are you building systems, and how old are you?

Patrick Palm

Am speaking for PC Resources

 

[urbantechie]

<< Well, the f&iacute;rst SoundBlaster 16 card i had was not very stable, sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't, does that mean that i would never consider a SoundBlaster 16 again?? Nope, the trouble wasn't really the SB 16 it was the game. >>


Hmm, I had trouble with the K6 2/3 series/K7 Slot-A series but did we stop selling them? Are all my customers using Intel products? I know quite a few running AMD systems. The only servers we build with AMDs have been T-Birds.



<< So if you don't get a product to function perfectly, even if the fault is not within the product, but because you made a mistake the first time around, all of your customers will suffer? Well, if you really build systems for others, warn them of your ignorance before you make your sales, will ya. >>


I DON'T specify what parts people will get. THEY DO. So even if I want to say shove that K7 up your ass, I still have to give it to them weather I like it or not. It's not a choice for me. Most stores including where I work are now phasing the Slot-A Athlon out...so I don't have any more gripes about it.




<< Just a question, for which company are you building systems, and how old are you? >>


I work for Dex Digital Computers and i'm 15.