Originally posted by: ViRGE
Originally posted by: coldpower27
Originally posted by: ViRGE
Originally posted by: coldpower27
Originally posted by: ViRGE
Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Of course you know Intel is going to drop prices like crazy. right . Why shouldn't they . AMD did. Clear out inventory for penryns. Plus penryn is going to be much cheaper for intel to produce than K10 . Yields will be a lot higher also.
That's all conjecture at this point. Penryn will only be cheaper if Intel is getting higher yields and/or the core is smaller than Conroe. We don't know either of those, and it's actually rather unlikely Penryn will be significantly bigger/smaller than Conroe, seeing as Intel likes to stick with an average size for a CPU die. As for yields, Conroe has yielded very well, I wouldn't expect Penryn to be able to do much more than equal it.
Actually we already know that, the die size of Penryn is 107mm2 for the 6MB core so it would be much better for Intel to move over to it over Conroe.
http://www.firingsquad.com/har...tel_penryn_sneak_peek/
The pricing point is already known as well for Servers as DailyTech has already released a list of the pricing points for the Harpertown units.
http://www.dailytech.com/Intel...+Xeons/article8074.htm
We will have to see as we approach Wolfdale and Yorkfield's launch if Intel will lower the prices on existing stock of Conroe and Kentsfield, which is entirely possible.
Oh great, I didn't realize Intel had published that info yet. I'm a bit surprised TBH, I was expecting something bigger, 107mm2 is exceptionally small for their high end product (they haven't been this small since the P3 days), so they will be making good money off of that and even more off of the smaller low-end dice.
Well Conroe was small to begin with, truth be told and if you look at the Pentium 4 each successive generation has gotten smaller.
Willamette -> Northwood -> Prescott -> Cedar Mill
217mm2 -> 131mm2 -> 112mm2 -> 81mm2
Die sizes usually grow when an architectural overhaul occurs. And you got to keep in mind, Intel intended to be building Quad Core with these dice, so 2x107mm2 are going to be used in fairly large amounts so the small dice is just what the doctor ordered.
Cedar Mill however wasn't really a high end part, that was Pressler with 2 cores(162mm2). And even the Prescott was quickly replaced with the Prescott2M(135mm2). And then there with Smithfield, which was massive. Intel's best parts generally are bigger rather than smaller, Northwood really was the smallest high end part that actually lasted a generation.*
* It's a pedantic definition, but the point I'm getting at is that Intel hasn't managed to ship a small part as a long-lasting high-end part for quite a while
Well if your going to go with what was "high end at the time", you have an up and down scale if you include all high end products.
Coppermine -> Willamette -> Northwood -> Gallatin-2M -> Prescott 2M -> Smithfield -> Presler -> Conroe -> Kentsfield -> Yorkfield
Up -> Down -> Up -> Down -> Up -> Down -> Down -> Up - Down.
Suffice it to say though, any shrink/derivative generation is going to be smaller then it previous successor and this is a shrink/derivative generation, so die sized shrunk
That definition doesn't hold then as 107mm2 only refers to Wolfdale/Penryn which are the Dual Core variants which aren't high end, if your going to combine the Presler MCM item into 162mm2 from the 2x81mm2 unit then Yorkfield MCM is 2x107mm2 or 214mm2.
Smithfield is massive? Not really, compared to Gallatin, Kentsfield, or AMD's Clawhammer or Toledo.
Does Intel need to make small parts for the high end arena, anyway considering all their capacity?
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