AMD Athlon XP 2200+ too hot?

[thutmose3]

My computer is not left on for a long time, but when it is, most programs become very buggy after 12+ hours. I read that a CPU overheating can cause this to happen, but I'm not really sure. On SpeedFan, my temperatures (I'm not sure which one is CPU) are under 50 C if I'm not using many programs, but when I am using many programs, it jumps over 50 degrees Celcius a lot of times. What course of action should I take, or is there a problem at all? Thanks.

 

[Agentbolt]

It's not a temperature thing. It's more likely to be a memory leak or something like that, but without more info we're really not going to be able to tell. How many is "many" programs? Does it always take 12 hours to start occuring? What programs do you run? Etc

 

[Strebor]

I have a 2200+ running in one of my Boinc machines, and it doesn't complain about being at 50* C 24/7. As suggested by Agentbolt you should try looking for other causes to your programs getting buggy. Heat would probably be an issues much earlier than 12+ hours.

 

[myocardia]

Try being specific. I mean, 5,000°C is over 50°C, and I can assure you that will cause you problems.

 

[Strebor]

Sorry was substituting the * for the little °, which I didn't know how to type. 50° C even is what I meant.

 

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: Strebor
Sorry was substituting the * for the little °, which I didn't know how to type. 50° C even is what I meant.

That's okay, since what I said wasn't "aimed" at you. Anyway, some Athlon XP's don't like being much over 50°C. I've owned two different ones that would reboot @ 54°C. The earlier ones were the worst about not liking very high temps; by the time the Barton came around, they could handle up to near/slightly over 60°C.

 

[imported_Truenofan]

my xp 3200 at my parents house with a low speed fan and a thermalright hs runs in the 40's without any clogging on the fins, when it gets clogged, it usualy gest up to 50's and load close to 60's i think...from what i can search up, maximum temperature they can handle, is from 80C to 90C, of course you dont want it that high but it can go up to it...it only happens when the system is on over 12hrs? could it be a thermal diode going bad possibly?

edit: http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/Tec...alResources/0,,30_182_739_3748,00.html
from what amd says, 80-90C is as high as it should go, but i would begin to worry when you start hitting into the mid 60's.

 

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: Truenofan
my xp 3200 at my parents house with a low speed fan and a thermalright hs runs in the 40's without any clogging on the fins, when it gets clogged, it usualy gest up to 50's and load close to 60's i think...from what i can search up, maximum temperature they can handle, is from 80C to 90C, of course you dont want it that high but it can go up to it...it only happens when the system is on over 12hrs? could it be a thermal diode going bad possibly?

An XP 3200 is a Barton; his XP 2200 isn't. Each core had a different temp where it would start getting flaky, and or reboot. Also, AMD's numbers are where the chip dies, not becomes unstable.

 

[imported_Truenofan]

thats why i said, at mid 60's he should start really worrying....if it dies at 80-90C, then mid 60's would be getting hot hot. model 6 or 8 should be his, since the 10, would be the barton core.

 

[f4phantom2500]

Instead of nitpicking on exactly how hot his processor is/can get, which is only speculation at this point, why doesn't he just run cpu-z so we can know his specific core revision and we can figure out what the max temp for those procs should be so we can find out whether or not it is overheating. Moreover, why doesn't he run memtest86 or something to see if it's the RAM?

 

[CTho9305]

Originally posted by: myocardia

Originally posted by: Truenofan
my xp 3200 at my parents house with a low speed fan and a thermalright hs runs in the 40's without any clogging on the fins, when it gets clogged, it usualy gest up to 50's and load close to 60's i think...from what i can search up, maximum temperature they can handle, is from 80C to 90C, of course you dont want it that high but it can go up to it...it only happens when the system is on over 12hrs? could it be a thermal diode going bad possibly?

An XP 3200 is a Barton; his XP 2200 isn't. Each core had a different temp where it would start getting flaky, and or reboot. Also, AMD's numbers are where the chip dies, not becomes unstable.

This document implies that the thermtrip sensor kicks in at 125C. It seems like that'd be a silly choice, if damage occurs at 85-95C.

 

[thutmose3]

okay. So I have SpeedFan installed, but I can't really tell what temperatures are important, so should I install cpu-z and memtest86 to pinpoint the problem, if there is any? Also, if indeed the problem lies within my processor, could I buy a new heatsink and fix the problem, or would an upgrade be required? Thanks a bunch.

 

[Matt1970]

Anywhere in the 50's is fine.

 

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: CTho9305

Originally posted by: myocardia

Originally posted by: Truenofan
my xp 3200 at my parents house with a low speed fan and a thermalright hs runs in the 40's without any clogging on the fins, when it gets clogged, it usualy gest up to 50's and load close to 60's i think...from what i can search up, maximum temperature they can handle, is from 80C to 90C, of course you dont want it that high but it can go up to it...it only happens when the system is on over 12hrs? could it be a thermal diode going bad possibly?

An XP 3200 is a Barton; his XP 2200 isn't. Each core had a different temp where it would start getting flaky, and or reboot. Also, AMD's numbers are where the chip dies, not becomes unstable.

This document implies that the thermtrip sensor kicks in at 125C. It seems like that'd be a silly choice, if damage occurs at 85-95C.

If you don't understand a discussion, please don't try to get involved in it. We weren't talking about any of the different revisions of the Athlon 64.

 

[Maximilian]

I hope your not running windows 9x or windows me or theres the problem right there

50*C should be fine for an AXP, they always ran hot, if that 2200+ I believe the palominos (which that 2200+ could be) had a reputation for being hot.

If your CPU overheats and causes errors then generally you will get a bluescreen or a total crash. Random buggyness is generally attributed to ram/graphics card/software failures. What exactly do you mean with programs become "very buggy" what programs? what do they do?

What you can do to diagnose the problem since i dont think its your cpu, i could be wrong though.

1. run memtest 86 for a few passes
2. run a graphics card stability test to test for artifacts. cant really recommend one though as i dont know any just google "graphics card stability test" you should find somthing
3. tell us more about whats buggy and what happens.

 

[thutmose3]

It's probably nothing, so I will run all of the recommended programs and decide on a course of action after that. Thanks!

 

[CTho9305]

Originally posted by: myocardia

Originally posted by: CTho9305

Originally posted by: myocardia

Originally posted by: Truenofan
my xp 3200 at my parents house with a low speed fan and a thermalright hs runs in the 40's without any clogging on the fins, when it gets clogged, it usualy gest up to 50's and load close to 60's i think...from what i can search up, maximum temperature they can handle, is from 80C to 90C, of course you dont want it that high but it can go up to it...it only happens when the system is on over 12hrs? could it be a thermal diode going bad possibly?

An XP 3200 is a Barton; his XP 2200 isn't. Each core had a different temp where it would start getting flaky, and or reboot. Also, AMD's numbers are where the chip dies, not becomes unstable.

This document implies that the thermtrip sensor kicks in at 125C. It seems like that'd be a silly choice, if damage occurs at 85-95C.

If you don't understand a discussion, please don't try to get involved in it. We weren't talking about any of the different revisions of the Athlon 64.

My point is that the rated maximum temperature for the Athlon 64s ranges from, IIRC, 65C to 95C, yet the thermal safety trip doesn't occur until 125C. It seems unlikely that Athlon XPs would suffer damage significantly earlier, though I don't know the actual numbers since I couldn't find them online.

 

[imported_Truenofan]

easy to find the axp max temps, i have them linked in one of my previouis posts, they fry at 80-90C....its up the to board to set your maximum temp settings....

 

[Binky]

Anything under 60c is perfectly fine. My most reliable systems over the last few years all ran 45-60c every day (silence > lower cpu temps!).