AMD Athlon 64 3400+ S754 512K, RTL $129.99

[charloscarlies]

Originally posted by: Zap

Originally posted by: Jeeper94
Can anyone tell me if this is a much better deal than the eWiz 3700+ Clawhammer S754 OEM processor deal for $161.71 + $8.28 S&H?

The CPUs run at the same MHz, differing only in cache size. The 1MB cache IMO is not worth the extra 300+ rating that AMD gives it, but perhaps it might be worth the lack of dual channel. Only $32 difference...

That's very true. The 3400+ Newcastle has always been known as a somewhat underated chip. I bought the 3700+ and still think the 3400+ is a better deal.

 

[RMSistight]

Originally posted by: chinkgai
oh i didnt know they were in the bay...nice

Yeah...they are in Pinole...if you consider that "Bay Area". I live in San Jose for school and my home is in San Leandro. So when I go home, I'll head to Pinole while I'm at it. Besides...I like the scenery drive sometimes going to Pinole.

 

[RMSistight]

Originally posted by: Jeeper94
Fantastic price!

Can anyone tell me if this is a much better deal than the eWiz 3700+ Clawhammer S754 OEM processor deal for $161.71 + $8.28 S&H?

The 3700+ eWiz deal sucks for Californians. I'd rather buy out of state.

 

[KarenMarie]

ok... is this RETAIL or OEM?

Different posters say different things. Anyone know for sure?

thanks.

 

[Powermoloch]

holy sh!t

 

[RMSistight]

I called up the Pinole store and made sure they verified with me that the procesor is INDEED RETAIL before I gave them my credit card number.

EDIT: But I might spend $40 more to get the 1MB cache. I'm thinking I might as well spend the extra money since there is no higher Socket 754 processor at a resonable price.

 

[shinson]

Originally posted by: Zap

Originally posted by: Jeeper94
Can anyone tell me if this is a much better deal than the eWiz 3700+ Clawhammer S754 OEM processor deal for $161.71 + $8.28 S&H?

The CPUs run at the same MHz, differing only in cache size. The 1MB cache IMO is not worth the extra 300+ rating that AMD gives it, but perhaps it might be worth the lack of dual channel. Only $32 difference...

At the risk of sounding stupid, can someone explain what the quote above means?

I thought the Memory ran in Dual Channel.... 128-bit instead of 64-bit

Are you referingto the FSB or the width of the data path?

I understand a FSB frequency of 400MHz runs at 800MHz and 800/1600 and 1000/2000, etc. Is this what you are referring to? 1 pulse in the rise and 1 pulse inthe fall

How does a CPU run in single channel/dual channel?

 

[Jeeper94]

All socket 754 processors run in single channel. Lets say you had two memory sticks in a S754 motherboard. Even though you have two sticks of memory, it will only be operating in single channel. This is how S754 processors are. Not a major concern for me, or at least not enough of a concern to not recommend S754. I run a S754 setup and I think it's great, but I don't play games on my rig either.

 

[shinson]

OK - I just found out that the DDR memory controller is built in to the CPU.

Sorry to waste your time.

754 = 64-bit memory controller up to 3 DIMM slots.

939 = 128-bit momory controller up to 4 DIMM slots.

 

[Jeeper94]

I still think it's a helluva deal. I'm debating whether or not to purchase. I am RMA'ing(currenty at DFI) a DFI LANParty NF3 250Gb mobo as we speak. I might also purchase 2x512mb OCZ Platinum Revision 2 PC3200 DDR if I buy this processor. Decisions...decisions...

 

[RMSistight]

Does anyone think $40 is worth the upgrade from a RETAIL 3400+ to an OEM 3700+ Socket 754?

I also have to drive 52 miles (round trip) just to pick up the processor and was thinking to spend the extra $40 to have it shipped to me. Give me some opinions!

 

[corinthos]

unless you really need the speed bump, i'd save the $40 myself..

 

[Jeeper94]

Originally posted by: RMSistight
Does anyone think $40 is worth the upgrade from a RETAIL 3400+ to an OEM 3700+ Socket 754?

I also have to drive 52 miles (round trip) just to pick up the processor and was thinking to spend the extra $40 to have it shipped to me. Give me some opinions!

I think it might be a toss up. Although if you value your time I would suggest the 3700+. From what I've read, the 3700+ runs hot and I think purchasing this particular cpu as an OEM is actually a bonus. Spend the money you saved on a nice Zalman setup or something similar. On the otherhand, the Newcastles are known to overclock better than Clawhammers. Do you plan to overclock?

 

[RMSistight]

Originally posted by: Jeeper94

Originally posted by: RMSistight
Does anyone think $40 is worth the upgrade from a RETAIL 3400+ to an OEM 3700+ Socket 754?

I also have to drive 52 miles (round trip) just to pick up the processor and was thinking to spend the extra $40 to have it shipped to me. Give me some opinions!

I think it might be a toss up. Although if you value your time I would suggest the 3700+. From what I've read, the 3700+ runs hot and I think purchasing this particular cpu as an OEM is actually a bonus. Spend the money you saved on a nice Zalman setup or something similar. On the otherhand, the Newcastles are known to overclock better than Clawhammers. Do you plan to overclock?

You betcha.

 

[RMSistight]

What I plan to do is build a server with my spare Socket 754 motherboard. I currently have an Asus K8N-E motherboard with 1GB of PC2100 RAM (they are spares) and running Server 2003 with it. I'm thinking the 1MB cache would be useful.

 

[Jeeper94]

Originally posted by: RMSistight
What I plan to do is build a server with my spare Socket 754 motherboard. I currently have an Asus K8N-E motherboard with 1GB of PC2100 RAM (they are spares) and running Server 2003 with it. I'm thinking the 1MB cache would be useful.

OK, with that in mind it sounds like the Newcastle would be better suited for you if you plan to overclock. It sounds like you are leaning towards the Clawhammer? If so, that's great, just remember, I don't think there will be much to overclock, but then again, even a 200mhz gain would be good on a hot cpu like that.

 

[Jeeper94]

IMPORTANT!!!!

I emailed PPClub earlier today asking them if this was indeed a retail or an oem cpu(back when the post first started). Here is the reply they sent me:

Hello Travis

The item you inquired about is A1906502 #CPU,AMD ATH 64 3400+ S754 RTL
is a Retail. However if
it is on our clearance section it might be a used or refurbished item.
Full Packaging might not be available. Please the detail conditions on
the item.
Thank You
PC Club On-Line Orders
WWWB

 

[RMSistight]

Originally posted by: Jeeper94

Originally posted by: RMSistight
What I plan to do is build a server with my spare Socket 754 motherboard. I currently have an Asus K8N-E motherboard with 1GB of PC2100 RAM (they are spares) and running Server 2003 with it. I'm thinking the 1MB cache would be useful.

OK, with that in mind it sounds like the Newcastle would be better suited for you if you plan to overclock. It sounds like you are leaning towards the Clawhammer? If so, that's great, just remember, I don't think there will be much to overclock, but then again, even a 200mhz gain would be good on a hot cpu like that.

Clawhammers run hot? They don't overclock as well as Newcastles?

 

[RMSistight]

Originally posted by: Jeeper94
IMPORTANT!!!!

I emailed PPClub earlier today asking them if this was indeed a retail or an oem cpu(back when the post first started). Here is the reply they sent me:

Hello Travis

The item you inquired about is A1906502 #CPU,AMD ATH 64 3400+ S754 RTL
is a Retail. However if
it is on our clearance section it might be a used or refurbished item.
Full Packaging might not be available. Please the detail conditions on
the item.
Thank You
PC Club On-Line Orders
WWWB

Hmmm...better call them up. I already placed my order.

 

[Jeeper94]

Originally posted by: RMSistight

Originally posted by: Jeeper94

Originally posted by: RMSistight
What I plan to do is build a server with my spare Socket 754 motherboard. I currently have an Asus K8N-E motherboard with 1GB of PC2100 RAM (they are spares) and running Server 2003 with it. I'm thinking the 1MB cache would be useful.

OK, with that in mind it sounds like the Newcastle would be better suited for you if you plan to overclock. It sounds like you are leaning towards the Clawhammer? If so, that's great, just remember, I don't think there will be much to overclock, but then again, even a 200mhz gain would be good on a hot cpu like that.

Clawhammers run hot? They don't overclock as well as Newcastles?

Maybe I should have rephrased what I said. They run hot, but not Prestcott hot. I think they run pretty warm for an AMD chip, but the Newcastles apparently run cooler(mine's pretty cool). The Clawhammer part is based on lots of reading that I have done. I would still buy one, that would not be enough of a deterrent for me, it just means you will not get a huge overclock.

 

[RMSistight]

Originally posted by: Jeeper94

Originally posted by: RMSistight

Originally posted by: Jeeper94

Originally posted by: RMSistight
What I plan to do is build a server with my spare Socket 754 motherboard. I currently have an Asus K8N-E motherboard with 1GB of PC2100 RAM (they are spares) and running Server 2003 with it. I'm thinking the 1MB cache would be useful.

OK, with that in mind it sounds like the Newcastle would be better suited for you if you plan to overclock. It sounds like you are leaning towards the Clawhammer? If so, that's great, just remember, I don't think there will be much to overclock, but then again, even a 200mhz gain would be good on a hot cpu like that.

Clawhammers run hot? They don't overclock as well as Newcastles?

Maybe I should have rephrased what I said. They run hot, but not Prestcott hot. I think they run pretty warm for an AMD chip, but the Newcastles apparently run cooler(mine's pretty cool). The Clawhammer part is based on lots of reading that I have done. I would still buy one, that would not be enough of a deterrent for me, it just means you will not get a huge overclock.

I'm probably going to get the 3700+. I can get it for $162 with no tax and no shipping. It pays to know hookups from distributors...=)

 

[charloscarlies]

Originally posted by: Jeeper94

Originally posted by: RMSistight

Originally posted by: Jeeper94

Originally posted by: RMSistight
What I plan to do is build a server with my spare Socket 754 motherboard. I currently have an Asus K8N-E motherboard with 1GB of PC2100 RAM (they are spares) and running Server 2003 with it. I'm thinking the 1MB cache would be useful.

OK, with that in mind it sounds like the Newcastle would be better suited for you if you plan to overclock. It sounds like you are leaning towards the Clawhammer? If so, that's great, just remember, I don't think there will be much to overclock, but then again, even a 200mhz gain would be good on a hot cpu like that.

Clawhammers run hot? They don't overclock as well as Newcastles?

Maybe I should have rephrased what I said. They run hot, but not Prestcott hot. I think they run pretty warm for an AMD chip, but the Newcastles apparently run cooler(mine's pretty cool). The Clawhammer part is based on lots of reading that I have done. I would still buy one, that would not be enough of a deterrent for me, it just means you will not get a huge overclock.

You're right...they do run warmer than the Newcastle (barely) because of the added cache and larger die size...but it's not that bad at all.

And as far as overclocking goes I respectfully disagree. My 3700+ is running at 2600 (12 hours prime stable...I stopped it at 12 hours because IMHO that's good enough for me). This is on stock vcore on a Zalman 7000. Temps do get higher than I'd like (~58-60C under full load)...but I have a Big Typhoon on the way to help in that department. Even with the heat issues it's still stable at 2.6...which isn't too bad at all IMO. I haven't tried to push it past that because of the heat issue...I will see how much farther it goes once I get the Typhoon.

But if I had to do it all over again...I would get the 3400+ at this price. Although, that's assuming the NC would overclock to 2.6+ which isn't a given anyways. I'm still pretty happy with my purchase.