BTW... ther eis a new APU... the Athlon 5370...
http://products.amd.com/en-us/searc...U/Athlon™-5370-APU-with-Radeon™-R3-Series/182
http://products.amd.com/en-us/searc...U/Athlon™-5370-APU-with-Radeon™-R3-Series/182
Not really a Kabini but it s indicative of the potential of this chip whose career was ruined by some anti competitive practices :
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10244...nless-amd-ucff-pc-for-networking-applications
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10244...nless-amd-ucff-pc-for-networking-applications
Yeah,keep beating the drum with same excuses. It never showed it could fit inside a small-slim tablet while being reasonable in price,performance and power.
If we only go by the raw performance figures people it could have even been priced somewhere between ~50-100$ more and yet people would have bought it because it would have had the perf.But we didn't see even one,the one that made some news also is nowhere to be seen. There's no indicator also they would have had pipped Intel for BoM costs while having no previous experience against Intel being trying in that sector for years before them.Another thing image sensors and modem field,we know who was behind in that. Let's not even talk about the other parts with half the number of cores and much lower clocks.
If we only go by the raw performance figures people it could have even been priced somewhere between ~50-100$ more and yet people would have bought it because it would have had the perf.But we didn't see even one,the one that made some news also is nowhere to be seen. There's no indicator also they would have had pipped Intel for BoM costs while having no previous experience against Intel being trying in that sector for years before them.Another thing image sensors and modem field,we know who was behind in that. Let's not even talk about the other parts with half the number of cores and much lower clocks.
Actually it s you who is beating the same old drums, prove is that you dont even quote a number or comparison, just a wall text.
Power numbers tell the whole story, in Cinebench the chip manage to work at 1.5GHz within a 5W thermal enveloppe.
As for BOM cost it would had been cheaper than Intel due to its single channel, it s just that this latter was paying OEMs to not use Mullins and get free BTs + $$ when doing so.
Edit : We could well see a return of this chip with a 14nm LPP process, the perf/Watt improvement in respect of the 28nm SLP used to currently fab it is about 3x, in other words 2.4GHz at 5W TDP or 1.5GHz at 2W...
Power numbers tell the whole story, in Cinebench the chip manage to work at 1.5GHz within a 5W thermal enveloppe.
As for BOM cost it would had been cheaper than Intel due to its single channel, it s just that this latter was paying OEMs to not use Mullins and get free BTs + $$ when doing so.
Edit : We could well see a return of this chip with a 14nm LPP process, the perf/Watt improvement in respect of the 28nm SLP used to currently fab it is about 3x, in other words 2.4GHz at 5W TDP or 1.5GHz at 2W...
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I think there are some plausible reasons being given.
And why no OEM responded not even the Chinese ones,those who are making all kinds of tabs with so many different chips?It's not understandable how a golden chip with significantly better performance and more so in graphics and comparable price and power just doesn't get even 1 significant tab design win?
And well contra-revenue was used to offset BoM and maybe more than that but how much was it?Was it some hypothetical 100$ or 25$ or 5$ towards the end?The facts are very clear because even with 50-100$ more for comparable specs many would have got the AMD tab one if it was so good by all parameters.And all you have been doing here is your endless hate-Intel propaganda nonsense but never see shortcomings of AMD.Same like the conspiracy theory of Apollo space landing. It's always someone else's fault,right?
And why no OEM responded not even the Chinese ones,those who are making all kinds of tabs with so many different chips?It's not understandable how a golden chip with significantly better performance and more so in graphics and comparable price and power just doesn't get even 1 significant tab design win?
And well contra-revenue was used to offset BoM and maybe more than that but how much was it?Was it some hypothetical 100$ or 25$ or 5$ towards the end?The facts are very clear because even with 50-100$ more for comparable specs many would have got the AMD tab one if it was so good by all parameters.And all you have been doing here is your endless hate-Intel propaganda nonsense but never see shortcomings of AMD.Same like the conspiracy theory of Apollo space landing. It's always someone else's fault,right?
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But the chinese white boxes manufacturers where massively using contra revenues as much as possible, even for non Android items, do your homework before doing blank statements...
Why paying 30$ when you could get a free BT and a few dozen $$ in the same row, isnt it, it was much discussed here, if contra revenues did incur 4bn losses for 46 millions chips then it means that it was much more than just offsetting a few $ costs, or do you need someone to do the maths.?.
It's you who needs some maths,sir. And all things were well backed up.I don't see even 1 logical rebuttal. What do you think the modem and other development costs are? Zero?
You are the one making blanket statements as usual.What's the exact number? We don't know.And it's not hard to imagine people picking 230$ A10 micro TAB over 200$ BT after all there was such a large perf difference.
But what do we see ZERO tablet design wins.
Tell us how much, and btw, is there a modem in tablets..??.
The only design that exist is roughly 400$.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4KS4i7CZrE
Since it s surely manufactured in China, that there s no subsides and that the price tag is for the (expensive) japanese market we can estimate that it couldnt be sold below 300$ in the US, this tell the extent of Intel s contra revenues real numbers.
You quote 4Bn$ and and don't think there's a significant part to modem development in it?
Edit: Also not to forget they were trying into mobiles as well and not only tablets.
That is the one I was talking about. It's that high but also it's partly because of carrying extra high specs. Where's a 100-300$ range tabs? Most of the points that Intel covered in that segment,don't you think if it was feasible even 50$ higher mark up tablet would have worked to a good extent for AMD A10 micro based tabs.Where is 7-9" inch range,which was all ARM and to an extent Intel atoms.May be AMD's thermals weren't suitable?
And I don't believe that Contra revenue for individual tabs were as high as 100$.
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You dont need 100$, half is more than enough if this allow to decrease cost by 50$ for a 150$ cost item.
This 50% delta will be kept unchanged in the shelves, if one did cost 100$ to produce and end at 200$ at bestbuy then the 150$ one will end at 300$...
Where ARM chips are impossible to beat is in the extra low end but since Intel went also after this market they fixed their subsides accordingly, wich eliminated Mullins even before it was released..
Result is that the only X86 uarch that was competitive, albeit in the upper segment only, was rendered useless, wich was a mistake as what AMD could had grabbed could still be competed by Intel later since this is X86/Windows items, instead this helped install further the domination of ARM/Android.
As for suitability the numbers say otherwise, CPU wise Mullins Perf/Watt is better than BTs due to higher IPC while GPU wise it was a no contest, in both perf and perf/Watt despite BTs smaller GPU, the only advantage this latter could had was eventualy a slightly lower idle power in its single channel implementations.
This 50% delta will be kept unchanged in the shelves, if one did cost 100$ to produce and end at 200$ at bestbuy then the 150$ one will end at 300$...
Where ARM chips are impossible to beat is in the extra low end but since Intel went also after this market they fixed their subsides accordingly, wich eliminated Mullins even before it was released..
Result is that the only X86 uarch that was competitive, albeit in the upper segment only, was rendered useless, wich was a mistake as what AMD could had grabbed could still be competed by Intel later since this is X86/Windows items, instead this helped install further the domination of ARM/Android.
As for suitability the numbers say otherwise, CPU wise Mullins Perf/Watt is better than BTs due to higher IPC while GPU wise it was a no contest, in both perf and perf/Watt despite BTs smaller GPU, the only advantage this latter could had was eventualy a slightly lower idle power in its single channel implementations.
That 100$ is a figure that lot of sort-sighted fanboys in the past have come by their silly calculation by dividing 4Bn$/40mn.
And still none of that "wall of text" answers about lack of design wins anywhere because you are neglecting the whole point of supposed superiority of price,perf and power yet a design can't go over a rival baytrail/cherrytrail with a tab may be costing 50-100$ higher.It was used in Project Tango and all but 7-9" was a flop,while contra-revenue may have had its effect to an extent in some areas but that doesn't make for
ZERO tab design wins.Neither do you address what the others dual cores with such slow cores would have gone into in tablets.
And still none of that "wall of text" answers about lack of design wins anywhere because you are neglecting the whole point of supposed superiority of price,perf and power yet a design can't go over a rival baytrail/cherrytrail with a tab may be costing 50-100$ higher.It was used in Project Tango and all but 7-9" was a flop,while contra-revenue may have had its effect to an extent in some areas but that doesn't make for
ZERO tab design wins.Neither do you address what the others dual cores with such slow cores would have gone into in tablets.
DrMrLordX
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http://techreport.com/news/26820/amd-mullins-apu-appears-in-250-hp-netbook
Please, inform well before shouting things like that. You are now saw as a troll here.
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Photon 20 sounds much better. Doesnt look that bad, nice resolution. 4gb ram, with a stylus. Wonder if it will be available in the us and what the price will be.
Well not exactly a tab,more like a chrome book competitor.But even then specs are not that great dual core with much lower clocks as mentioned before. And I have been referring to tab design wins specifically to mainstream 7-9" tab designs.And word "troll" from you is exactly laughable.
Have already referred to it.But it's not essentially available in most regions perhaps.Compare those to HP,Dell,Teclast,lenovo,xiaomi and many more oem design wins,essentially nowhere.At least I haven't seen it available being China largely.May be you could tell me where it's available if at all it is.The "where to buy page" still says "coming soon".It has been announced lot of time ago though.
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DrMrLordX
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Sadly, it's been out for awhile, and penetration in the US is basically zero. I can't find them for sale anywhere. Even sketchy eBay importers do not seem to have them.
You can't find any Core based Celeron or Pentium or ANY AMD products on the US. The market is so limited in that aspect compared to China, Korea or even Japan (which is now one of the worst markets in the planet)
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Newegg had the Kabini 5350 for $37.99 on sale recently. At that price, it seems worth it, if you can find an overclocking mobo. I've got some Sempron 3850 quads (1.3Ghz) OCed to 1.6Ghz. They perform similar to my J1900 Brix unit, maybe just a hair better, although that could be down to lower overhead for Win10 over Win7, both 64-bit.
I prefer my Beema 1.8Ghz A8-6310 quad laptop, to my Z3735F Atom laptop. (Of course, it has 4GB of RAM, and a real SATA6G SSD, rather than eMMC.)
I prefer my Beema 1.8Ghz A8-6310 quad laptop, to my Z3735F Atom laptop. (Of course, it has 4GB of RAM, and a real SATA6G SSD, rather than eMMC.)
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That´s what I did for my Athlon 5150. CPU runs @ 1920 MHZ. Memory stays same as yours. Its funny that I just got 320 MHZ on the O.C. and you 410. Guess the 5350 is a better overclocker. Probably the multiplier Idk.
Chupacabra333
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Peoply still using Kabini today? Here is a guy who adds videos to the tube with his 5350 O.C. Records at 720p and plays at 1680x1050 with a GTX 750Ti:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0ZTJ7IdwSAkOc1D3P9Gn6Q/videos
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0ZTJ7IdwSAkOc1D3P9Gn6Q/videos
Jen
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i have one machine here that has been working since kabini first came out and at one time was my main machine. it only problem i had with it was web browsing. gaming with a 750ti was fine for my needs as i dont play fast paced games.
Chupacabra333
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I wanted to add an used Asus GTX 750 1GB, the guy was selling It to me at a price of 50 dollars (I´m not in the U.S. tho) It was a good deal, but had to redo the whole setup, plus buying a bigger PSU again and case... here´s a pic of my system:
http://i.imgur.com/UGeePaW.jpg
Btw, did you knew about this CPU cooler? It looks better than the one I got, but It must be hard to get one here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9d4Uxu_d7g
Thanks for the info.
Jen
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i used a pico power for the kabini 160 / 192 brick with the 750ti it was more than enough to power the system . heatsink looks like it may be usefull for future build
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