AMD Anti-Trust Lawsuit: Chipzilla Strikes Back !!!

[porkster]

Originally posted by: Markfw900
Check Toms or anandtech benchmarks on the X2. It creams the Intel chips at EVERYTHING except maybe one benchmark. And almost 80% of the current boards are PCIe for AMD (nforce4)

Go away troll...

I didn't see that. I saw the Intel 840EE cream the X2. It was only when the Intel was crippled (having it's HT turned off) that the AMD could get ahead.

Who's the troll.

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[ProviaFan]

Originally posted by: porkster
Anand site isn't a critical situation. They can afford to tinker with different equipment on a hobbyist level. A big corporation can't, they need stability and quality. Also they don't need two types of equipment.

You're just showing how f***ing stupid you really are; nothing more, nothing less. Anand runs a freakin company. He makes money off of this stuff; this is his job. He loses money if his site is down for even a short time - no different than any of these other corporations that you refer to. He would simply not choose something if it didn't work well enough to provide the kind of stability he requires (which is the same kind of stability that any big corp. requires). Again, you are clueless. And again, you are a big, fat, slimy troll, and will remain one until you start posting links that provide proof, instead of illogical opinions pulled from your gluteus maximus.

 

[Continuity27]

Originally posted by: porkster

Originally posted by: Markfw900
Check Toms or anandtech benchmarks on the X2. It creams the Intel chips at EVERYTHING except maybe one benchmark. And almost 80% of the current boards are PCIe for AMD (nforce4)

Go away troll...

I didn't see that. I saw the Intel 840EE cream the X2. It was only when the Intel was crippled (having it's HT turned off) that the AMD could get ahead.

Who's the troll.

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You are, even the X2 4200+ beats the P840EE in many scenarios, and that costs about $400 - $600 less. Look at the benchmarks already listed in this thread.

 

[ProviaFan]

Originally posted by: porkster
I didn't see that. I saw the Intel 840EE cream the X2. It was only when the Intel was crippled (having it's HT turned off) that the AMD could get ahead.

On what planet is a tie considered "getting creamed"? :roll:

That is, only a tie in the situation that was optimized to almost ensure that the Intel would win everything, which it didn't. In more fair and balanced situations, the AMD flies ahead.

Who's the troll.

You are.

 

[ZobarStyl]

I know it's hard to resist, but don't try and argue with Porkster guys; I mean, when the mods at THG tell you to tone down your anti-AMD trolling, there's a serious problem. (Go look, it's hilarious)

 

[porkster]

Originally posted by: Continuity27
DDR2 isn't good enough for AMD chips yet, if AMD were to use DDR2 today, performance would be lessened. This is due to the high latency nature of DDR2, in the future, when DDR2 is actually better than DDR, AMD will switch.

No AMD is unable to have DDR2, it's not a choice, it's the point their hardware needs redesigning. They're trapped in old tech due to the CPU having the onboard memory controller and the socket design.

DDR2 is already as fast as the best DDR1 and it's as cheap or cheaper. DDR2 has a much better future for improvement, where DDR1 is at the End-of-the-Road.

The fact is, buying AMD, you are investing into OLD products.

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[Continuity27]

Originally posted by: ZobarStyl
I know it's hard to resist, but don't try and argue with Porkster guys; I mean, when the mods at THG tell you to tone down your anti-AMD trolling, there's a serious problem. (Go look, it's hilarious)

Link? :laugh:

 

[porkster]

Java is bloatware.

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: porkster

Originally posted by: Markfw900
Check Toms or anandtech benchmarks on the X2. It creams the Intel chips at EVERYTHING except maybe one benchmark. And almost 80% of the current boards are PCIe for AMD (nforce4)

Go away troll...

I didn't see that. I saw the Intel 840EE cream the X2. It was only when the Intel was crippled (having it's HT turned off) that the AMD could get ahead.

Who's the troll.

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You obviously didnt pay attention!!! If anything the AMD numbers creamed the XE with HT on, but I admit that was the XE system crashed 8 times and had to be rebuilt so many times.....

Go back and search for the thread "sempron 939 found....The thread title changed to end the raher huge thread but you can read form day one as many kept the tallies running and you can see yourself...



I am warning you....You need to start providing links and evidence to your claims...Up to this point after verything I have read from you you have not done that....I think your free pass is going to come to an end if you dont shape up.....

 

[Continuity27]

Originally posted by: porkster
Java is bloatware.

I figured it out guys. Porkster is actually an AMD fan, he makes the stupidest statements to make fanboys look bad. Let us hope thats the reason, otherwise humanity is much worse off than we thought. 😱

 

[linkgoron]

I will post this again. Porkster answer me, is the Intel EE really better? Look!!

porkster said:

What planet are you on. No the X2 isn't as good that the Intel 840EE. Also the X2 range is twice the price of Intels range.

Power consumtion:-AMD
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2389
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2410&p=2
Clear win for AMD

Performence:
Only Dual Core:

Business/General Use Performance -AMD win
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2410&p=3
AMD-8
Intel-2

Multitasking Content Creation -AMD win
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2410&p=4
AMD-5
Intel-0

Video Creation/Photo Editing-AMD win
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2410&p=5
AMD-3
Intel-0

Audio/Video Encoding-AMD win
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2410&p=6
AMD-5
Intel-0

Gaming Performance-AMD win
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2410&p=7
Well, I won't even count.
The 4800+ is always better than all intel CPUs, and where the Intels are better than the 4200+ it's less than 1 fps.

3D Rendering-AMD win
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2410&p=8
The 4800+ is always better than the EE 840
The 4200+ is always better than the PD, and sometimes better than the EE840

Multi tasking: -Tie
Yeah, the p4 is better than the A64 in multi tasking, but with dual cores?
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2410&p=9
Extreme edition is better, but both A64 X2's are second, and P4D is 4th

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2410&p=10
1st test:Extreme edition is last, 4800+ and 4200+ 3rd and 4th,
2nd test: p4D is slightly better than the X2's, while the Extreme edition really lagging.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2410&p=11
EE:first, p4D 4th, A64 2/3

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2410&p=12
EE:first
X2: close 2nd and 3rd
PD: last and behind by a big margin.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2410&p=13

X2:
1/2 by a big margin.
ee 3
PD 4
More or less the same thing in most tests.

Basically the A64 don't come out as 1st in all tests in multi-tasking, but they are constantly 2nd or 3rd, and they are very solid. The PD and the PEE 840 some times are first, but they are not consistant and some times are lagging behind. The A64's are great multi-taskers.

So, Porkster, I'm waiting...

 

[TGS]

Sigh, Porky Porky Porky...

Son, you've explained to us in great detail that you off all people have no idea what the IT industry is all about, from the Admin perspective to even environmentals for a data center.

Now you must shove it down our throats that you do not work for an IT company or know anything about how business pratices in *any* industry are supposed to happen.

Do you know what anti-competitive practices are, and WHY they are illegal. If you worked for a large corporation they require you to sign documents and take training on this very topic. It is very much an illegal activity, and regulators would be swarming over you if they found out your contributed towards anti-competitive practices.

To include, price fixing, collusion, trading insider information. I look in the financial news and see people getting tossed into the federal BFMS prisons all the time for violations of these laws.

Why do you think we *need* federal regulators to monitor business pratices? For this very purpose...

Originally posted by: porkster

Originally posted by: Continuity27
DDR2 isn't good enough for AMD chips yet, if AMD were to use DDR2 today, performance would be lessened. This is due to the high latency nature of DDR2, in the future, when DDR2 is actually better than DDR, AMD will switch.

No AMD is unable to have DDR2, it's not a choice, it's the point their hardware needs redesigning. They're trapped in old tech due to the CPU having the onboard memory controller and the socket design.

DDR2 is already as fast as the best DDR1 and it's as cheap or cheaper. DDR2 has a much better future for improvement, where DDR1 is at the End-of-the-Road.

The fact is, buying AMD, you are investing into OLD products.

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Then I read this up some... W.T.F is pentium M son? OVER.

 

[ProviaFan]

Originally posted by: porkster
No AMD is unable to have DDR2, it's not a choice, it's the point their hardware needs redesigning. They're trapped in old tech due to the CPU having the onboard memory controller and the socket design.

AMD's CPU design is fine, as is evidenced by all the benchmarks that YOU CHOOSE TO IGNORE! DDR2 has different features, which make it less than ideal with AMD's current processors. This is no fault of AMD's. If it is, show me some PROOF.

DDR2 is already as fast as the best DDR1 and it's as cheap or cheaper. DDR2 has a much better future for improvement, where DDR1 is at the End-of-the-Road.

The fact is, buying AMD, you are investing into OLD products.

My Athlon X2 was made on the 17th week of this year. And you call that old?!? :roll:

 

[DrMrLordX]

Originally posted by: Duvie
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I am warning you....You need to start providing links and evidence to your claims...Up to this point after verything I have read from you you have not done that....I think your free pass is going to come to an end if you dont shape up.....

Agreed. This entire thread is based on drivel. Dothan couldn't back up his initial claims, and now Porkster is spewing nonsense.

Can we get a lock?

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: porkster
Java is bloatware.

Another example of why you shouldn't do drugs!

 

[Markfw]

Stability ? I am on my third Dell motherboard on my work box, adn several people in my department have dying Dell laptops 6 months old. Crap is what they are, cheap crap.

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: porkster

Originally posted by: Markfw900
Check Toms or anandtech benchmarks on the X2. It creams the Intel chips at EVERYTHING except maybe one benchmark. And almost 80% of the current boards are PCIe for AMD (nforce4)

Go away troll...

I didn't see that. I saw the Intel 840EE cream the X2. It was only when the Intel was crippled (having it's HT turned off) that the AMD could get ahead.

Who's the troll.

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Not the supposed stress test, the other 50,000 benchmarks that all agree the EE is not as good as the 4800.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: DrMrLordX

Originally posted by: Duvie
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I am warning you....You need to start providing links and evidence to your claims...Up to this point after verything I have read from you you have not done that....I think your free pass is going to come to an end if you dont shape up.....

Agreed. This entire thread is based on drivel. Dothan couldn't back up his initial claims, and now Porkster is spewing nonsense.

Can we get a lock?

Not to mention it's a repost.
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=28&threadid=1625467&enterthread=y
Porkster and dothan can't back up one thing they say.

 

[porkster]

AMD's complaints are mainly in mobile market. It a joke as no one wants AMD mobile chips, but they can't help to blame Intel for their woes.

AMD are cry-babies.

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[Continuity27]

Porkster's arguments amount to this:

A. Intel developed what is known as x86, AMD shouldn't be able to sell x86 chips. Monopolies for everyone? :frown:

B. Due to cutting edge technology like... DDR2... BTX, that AMD doesn't use, Intel is obviously better. 80% of motherboards for AMD use AGP. Flat out lie, the majority of AMD motherboards being sold today are based on nvidia 4 chipsets, all of which offer only PCI-E

C. Because AMD processors are better at games and floating point operations they are obviously marketed to teenagers, and no business should ever use them. Despite the fact that AMD processors currently win out in almost every category, even video rendering, encoding, and server applications that businesses use. He also ignores the fact that many businesses DO use AMD Opterons.

 

[porkster]

Originally posted by: Markfw900 the 4800.

Mark whislt the THG stress were on, you were one of the people refusing to see the results. They were clear and you couldn't admit the X2 was a lemon. So you have little credit other than your fellow AMD teenage fan base that are willing to overlook truths.

People are buying Intel as it's a professional's system. People buy AMD as it's a hobbyists gaming computer and that's mainly a teenage market. Wake up.

Note : Intell is a hobbyist computer too. It's great for gaming and programming.. etc...

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[WhoBeDaPlaya]

Originally posted by: ZobarStyl
I know it's hard to resist, but don't try and argue with Porkster guys; I mean, when the mods at THG tell you to tone down your anti-AMD trolling, there's a serious problem. (Go look, it's hilarious)

Link? 😛 I'm waiting for a 2 hour long boron diffusion run in the lab and would love to have some entertainment...

 

[linkgoron]

Porkster, I'll ask you a question. Can you prove anything you claim? Can you give links to prove it? You see, usually, when you want to prove something you post links and stuff. I would like you to post links (not THG please) where you get your facts from.

 

[porkster]

Originally posted by: Continuity27C. Because AMD processors are better at games and floating point operations they are obviously marketed to teenagers, and no business should ever use them. Despite the fact that AMD processors currently win out in almost every category, even video rendering, encoding, and server applications that businesses use. He also ignores the fact that many businesses DO use AMD Opterons.

Dream on.

I've heard it all before.. . ala the Amiga was so great, it was used to make Bab5 sci-fi, AMD is used by NASA and is used to make Starwars films. what a laugh.

Obviously there is someone out there using a IBM XT for accounting, that doesn't mean it's valid as a mainstream system. For businesses to buy AMD they're taking a risk and going out on a limb.

AMD needs to make their own market and stop crying foul that they can't have 50% of Intels customers. There is no monopoly.

AMD can make a CPU that isn't x86 and if it's good enough it can attract buyers to it.

AMD's claim that x86 microprocessing is a monopoly, it's a fairy tale.

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[Capt Caveman]

Mods - please lock this thread and ban Porkster for being a troll.