Amd and Intel, Were they once PARTNERS!!!?? Look here!

[Degenerate]

I had a computer mabey about 17 years old. I decided to tak it aprt after I went overseas and retured.. This is what i found out..

Inside the computer it was nothing resembling todays design. but what to my looks like the pressesor, ( a small square chip with connector connected to the EDGE of the chip only), had this...


[Amd logo (a picture on the top left)]
N80L286-IO/C2H
8735JP
(m) (c) INTEL 1982


note, the (c) is a copy right sign.


Thats what was on the chip, no joke!!! I am not drunk!!
I might be able to get a picture soon..

 

[Impact55]

I saw a picture on the net about that a long time ago!

 

[Degenerate]

well what the hell is that??

 

[chiwawa626]

http://www.mikhailtech.hexus.net/wtd-006-01.jpg

thats what ur talkin bout right ther, look closely

 

[BurnItDwn]

i know before AMD made their own CPUs they made lots of the semiconductors on some intel machines ... like on 386 and pre stuff

 

[chuckieland]

interesting
in 10 years later
when people open this machine
they prob say, look guys, AMD and VIA are once partners
assuming by the time Cyrix III has already take off

 

[Lalakai]

between the 286 and the 386, AMD was liscensed by Intel to use their design, for cpu production. It was during the 486 that the big split came and Intel sued AMD for using patented technology in a non-liscensed venture. AMD had to stop using the Intel material but by that time they had reverse engineered the cpu and didn't have to utilize any of Intel's technology.

There has been alot of discussion that this may be one of the reasons that Intel went to a different slot set-up, to preclude AMD from even remotely being able to utilize technology from the 386 platform.

 

[thelanx]

wow

 

[faolan]

That chip Degenerate is talking about is similar to an 8088 processor that I had saying AMD/Intel. AMD and Intel did once work togther, just like IBM and Microsoft. Funny how both alliances shattered into a mess, one turning out to be good for people down the road (AMD/Intel), and the other one hurting the OS industry and creating the biggest software monopoly (IBM/Microsoft).

 

[Cosmic_Horror]

LOL.. funny looking back how things worked out.

Intel changed to a socket 5 to preclude other cpu manufacture from using it... 5x86 still used a 486 platform (socket 3), but later intel saw it was more profitable to licence out socket 7, (i assume pressure must have come from somewhere for this to occur).
slot 1 was totally intel , yet intel has licenced out socket 370 to via so they cyrix 3 cpu can run on it...

 

[KouklatheCat]

From what I remember back when the 486DX 66Mhz processor was the in thing Intel could not keep up with the demand. Intel gave AMD permission to make their processors.

I found this out when I worked on a few systems that said "Intel Inside" and the processor said AMD. I asked a wise computer geek friend of mine who relayed this information to me. Not sure if this is BS, rumor or what but that is what I was told.

 

[Degenerate]

Well..... thats something i didn't know, very interesting how they compete now...

To tell you the truth, i was quite shocked when i took my computer apart..

 

[Vinny N]

Anyone remember which website had pics of Adaptec's IDE RAID card? There's a chip on there with both AMD and Intel on it...and that's recent!

 

[Auric]

Not only were they partners, but without AMD Intel may not have succeeded. The big companies like IBM, DEC, HP, and so on would be less likely to buy from a small company like Intel unless they had second suppliers for the parts to prevent shortages. This was especially critical for Intel in their deal to supply IBM with parts for their first PC.

 

[Maverick]

Anyone remember Nexgen?
I almost bought one of those 5 years ago but opted for a P133 instead
boy am I glad I never made that mistake

 

[Mem]

Back in the 486DX days when AMD had a license to copy or clone Intel processors, so they were exact copys apart from where they were made etc, there were still loads of people that thought they were not as fast or sub standard compared to Intel versions even though they were same CPU apart from one was made by Intel & one by AMD.I should say the only difference was the CPU speed ,anyone remember the AMD 486DX 40mhz,& 80 ,120mhz versions.

 

[KouklatheCat]

Ive got a DX 40, 80 and 120 in my collection... I have a Cyrix DX 80 and an Intel Pentium Overdrive 83Mhz...... Remember when those were cool chips

 

[jimmt]

Cosmic_horror,

You are kinda mistaken there. Intell did not licsence there technology to Cyrix. When National Semiconducter owned Cyrix they had the rights to produce slot 1 and socket 370 cpu's. National shares patents with Intel on these technologies. When Via purchased cyrix they also purchased the rights to produce these processors. This was the reason Intel sued VIA to prevent them from releasing these processors onto the market. I believed they worked out a deal, becouse I havn't heard anything else regarding the lawsuit.

Jim

 

[jimmt]

Shiva112,

Why did you think the Nextgen cpu was a mistak? I remember a friend of mine had a 386 90mhz Nextgen cpu. This sucker ran equilvlant to Pentiums 120. I remember this chip was HUGE! I believe AMD purchased Nexgen and used thier technology when producing the k6 line of cpu's. I thought the chip was an outstanding cpu, hard to fine, but outstanding.

Jim

 

[dszd0g]

Lalakai, yeah pretty much. As I recall the lawsuit was a really big deal and set a few groundbreaking decisions. AMD originally licensed Intel chip technology, but the lawsuit gave them the legal right to produce clone chips. I really think Intel got the shaft in that lawsuit and should not have lost. To me I didn't think AMD had the right to use the technology they had licensed to produce a competing product and not pay licensing fees. That is basically stealing. Basically, from what I remember AMD was able to convince the judge that their clone processor was not based on any of the technology they licensed. I honestly doubt that was the case though. However, I am really glad they did lose because we have much better CPUs now because of it.

I remember there being something similar between AMI and IBM with the BIOS market as I recall.

 

[dszd0g]

jimmt, I don't remember Nexgen ever having a product that could compete with even mid-level Intel processors. The best I remember them ever being able to pull off was cheap low end processors. I also remember them having some compatibility issues.

 

[Degenerate]

thats a bit of history i didn't know..

 

[Vinny N]

Nexgen cpus didn't have a built-in FPU right? Isn't that why when AMD used that as the basis for the K series of processors, the FPU core they developed wasn't pipelined and top-notch?

 

[pm]

This is a fascinating - and largely accurate as near as I can tell - well-written history of Intel.

It contains this interesting little tidbit that I didn't know:



<< During the early 1980's, IBM and IBM-compatible PCs became the leading PC platform, and the Intel Architecture became the highest volume microprocessor architecture by a wide margin. Since the 1970s, Intel had licensed its processor designs to other chip manufacturers to enable them to second-source Intel processors. This included the 8080, 8085, 8086 and 286 designs. As a result, in 1984 the Intel Architecture accounted for 59% of all 16-bit microprocessors, but Intel's share of the market segment was only 14.5%. >>

 

[Degenerate]

cool so thats is indeed an interesting history