AMD A64 4000+ or FX-53

[jterrell]

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: Insomniak
Dude if you arleady have the 4000+ just use that. The bottom line with PC components is no matter how long you WANT something to last, what the industry does determines how long it will actually last. Truth be told, it's out of your hands. Get a Vapochill kit, set up a system in it around that 4000+, OC the bejeezus out of it, and enjoy yourself for a while.

And if you want your system to last the LONGEST, then don't overclock it until you HAVE to. You already have more than enough power for today's games - if you overclock now, and run the parts that way 24/7, you'll just be putting unneccesary strain on the components and power supply, actually SHORTENING their life span.

So build a good system around that 4000+, and when it is no longer meeting your needs at stock, then look into overclocking.

Agreed, except the fx is better in the long run because of the unlocked multiplier.

There are ways to unlock the multipliers without paying 100 bucks and waiting 2 weeks on shipping and such.

 

[Rami7007]

thanks for the help... i think ill stick with the 4000+... but for long term use... since i have to keep this for so long would it be good to get an fx-53 so in the future if i need it i can overclock more when games get more demanding... because this PC has to last me a LONG time...

 

[Mik3y]

note that the 4000+ has a high chance of not ocing any higher then a 3200+. just because it has a higher stock speed doesnt mean it will oc 500mhz like the 3200+ can.

 

[NightCrawler]

I've seen people buy the Athlon 64 3000 939 90nm and overclock it to 2.6 Ghz, that's a lot of performance for $155.

Why spend $700 ?

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: NightCrawler
I've seen people buy the Athlon 64 3000 939 90nm and overclock it to 2.6 Ghz, that's a lot of performance for $155.

Why spend $700 ?

That is a personal decision, it is the same reason some people buy $125,000 cars to go 0-6 in 5sec when a mustang or rice burner can do the same for less. If you have the money, it should not bother you at all. So to each their own. AMD 3500+ and under are for people who have lesser means.

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: jterrell

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: Insomniak
Dude if you arleady have the 4000+ just use that. The bottom line with PC components is no matter how long you WANT something to last, what the industry does determines how long it will actually last. Truth be told, it's out of your hands. Get a Vapochill kit, set up a system in it around that 4000+, OC the bejeezus out of it, and enjoy yourself for a while.

And if you want your system to last the LONGEST, then don't overclock it until you HAVE to. You already have more than enough power for today's games - if you overclock now, and run the parts that way 24/7, you'll just be putting unneccesary strain on the components and power supply, actually SHORTENING their life span.

So build a good system around that 4000+, and when it is no longer meeting your needs at stock, then look into overclocking.

Agreed, except the fx is better in the long run because of the unlocked multiplier.
There are ways to unlock the multipliers without paying 100 bucks and waiting 2 weeks on shipping and such.

On older amd processors yes, but not newer ones

 

[OCNewbie]

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: NightCrawler
I've seen people buy the Athlon 64 3000 939 90nm and overclock it to 2.6 Ghz, that's a lot of performance for $155.

Why spend $700 ?

That is a personal decision, it is the same reason some people buy $125,000 cars to go 0-6 in 5sec when a mustang or rice burner can do the same for less. If you have the money, it should not bother you at all. So to each their own. AMD 3500+ and under are for people who have lesser means.

Actually, a fair comparison, would be someone that buys a Mustang that does zero to 60 in 5 sec for 75,000, or someone else that pays 25,000 for the same, yet slower model mustang, but turns a dial on the side of the engine, and now the 25k one does 5.0 sec 60MPH too.

These are the same chips, just have different multipliers (I presume).

From my understanding with CPU's (this goes back to the Celeron 300A), is that the latest core for Athlon 64's AND FX chips is the Winchester? (90nm process). Each chip is made in the exact same way, whether it's destined to be a 2800 or a 4000. Somewhere along the lines they test the chips for stability, if they're good enough for 4000, they set them aside until they have all the 4000's they need. Eventually, and more often than not, they have a lot more chips that run stable @ 4000 than the market needs. So these chips just get a lower locked multiplier, and are then badged 2800's, 3000's, 3200's, etc. But in essence it began life as a 4000 chip. That's why you buy a 3000 for $150, and then FSB Overclock it to 4000+ speeds, for a fraction of the price. It's not stressing the chip necessarily anymore so than you'd stress a "from-the-factory" 4000 at the same speed.

 

[imported_NoGodForMe]

Googer has it correct with his car example. Many on messages boards will tell you to buy a cheap chip, and OC the hell out of it, because they don't have money, and it's not their system. I don't agree with this, I buy the best processor, OC it a little, and I'm happy.

On OCing the 4000+, you'll do it by raising the FSB, not the multiplier. Those who change the multiplier, actually lower it, then raise their FSB to a higher level so they OC the memory higher.
You will not OC by raising the multiplier, I've never seen anyone do it. The 4000+ is the same chip as an FX53. H review is here. So you did save money, and everything is fine.
http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=Njc1

I don't like Corsair memory, that is what I would have changed, but you've already ordered it.
Most are having better luck with Gskill, OCZ, or Patriot. But who knows, you may get lucky because user reports have yet to come in on Nforce4 boards. Just remember, A64 chips don't run at 2225 memory timings for most, like me.

You didn't say what kind of cooling you will be using. Some can OC a ton on air, but I really wouldn't do it. A good OC is 10%. All you'll have to do to get there, is raise your Vcore a little, then raise your FSB to 220, but don't start there right off the bat. Go in baby steps. That will put you at 2640. If the MB has an OC option, use it.

My FX53 site is here, you can see what to expect.
http://www.nogodforme.com/MyBabyTera.htm

 

[bigal40]

go with the FX-53. It saves you money plus OC'ing with an unlocked multiplier is much easier.

 

[Zebo]

If you're wasting that kind of money FX-55 is the only way to fly. Has SSOI which allows much much higher levels of clocking than 4000 or 53.

4000 or 53 even overclocked allows folks who spent $150 on a 3000 to play with you..55 won't.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: NightCrawler
I've seen people buy the Athlon 64 3000 939 90nm and overclock it to 2.6 Ghz, that's a lot of performance for $155.

Why spend $700 ?

That is a personal decision, it is the same reason some people buy $125,000 cars to go 0-6 in 5sec when a mustang or rice burner can do the same for less. If you have the money, it should not bother you at all. So to each their own. AMD 3500+ and under are for people who have lesser means.

Next to your sig that's the stupidest thing I've seen you type.

Any first year economics course will explain price/performance curves and how they affect consumer spending. The sensible consumers are the ones that take a detached, unemotional view of buying. This leads to money saved and spent elsewhere where it can better accumulate. It's a fundamental, accepted concept. It's so childish, they don't even bother writing a formula for it. If something costs twice as much it should be twice as good. Or in the case of CPU's twice as fast.

Most every FX/3500+ and above is an emotional and a foolish choice right now since it's performance does'nt scale with price. Add since you can overclock lessor A64's like the $150 3000 to FX levels even you can see the emotional buy of and FX. This purchase is not based on an extensive cost/benefit analysis. There was little or no consideration of price/performance ratios. They want the best and pay a haevy premium for it.
In fact they like paying a premium because it sets them apart from the rest of the rabble as being refined, in tune, special.😉....something powerful that they can tinker with and brag about. There is a definite sense of community because they know that the vast majority of people have not invested as much money into their computers.

Most buyers buyers take a more common approach to puchasing. Obviously by it's popularity. They had a rough idea what level of performance would satisfy their requirements, and they compared many products to see which one offered the most performance for the least money. Rationally they understand that the -400-600% price premium would be better spent elsewhere than for 2-5% performance gains. They are not cheap, or poor, or tight-fisted. They simply would rather use that money for something more productive. Like a better video card or SLI. Huge monitor. comfy chair and the like...or even better bank it.


Edit
And stop bolding your posts
1. they are pretty vapid no reason to draw attention to them
2. it's annoying
3. It messes up my reply causing a bold too

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: NoGodForMe
Googer has it correct with his car example. Many on messages boards will tell you to buy a cheap chip, and OC the hell out of it, because they don't have money, and it's not their system. I don't agree with this, I buy the best processor, OC it a little, and I'm happy.

On OCing the 4000+, you'll do it by raising the FSB, not the multiplier. Those who change the multiplier, actually lower it, then raise their FSB to a higher level so they OC the memory higher.
You will not OC by raising the multiplier, I've never seen anyone do it. The 4000+ is the same chip as an FX53. H review is here. So you did save money, and everything is fine.
http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=Njc1

Wrong, the diference in a good car can mean life or death. Can mean getting laid. Can mean landing a client. Can mean lots of things these premium CPU's won't do for you unless she's 300lbs with buck teeth. This is just yet another poor analogy to justify emotional spending behavior.

Anyone with a job and/or a CC can afford an FX, they are just not that stupid for the most part.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Zebo's rules of acquisition :light:

 

[Zebo]

I think the main problem is people have a hard time differentiating between tools and toys. CPU = tool and the worst type of one. It depreciates faster than anything, only to be trumped in two years by budget CPU's, has hundreds of percentage points markup as you scale up in speed while only providing single digits percentages in performance increases, and you defitly can't pass it on like some premium snap-on tools you can for generations due to obsolesence. In sum when you look at tools as toys it's emotional choice not based on sound economics.

Some people call me cheap but I think rich is what I'm going for and emotional spending takes me away from that goal🙂 I'm married that's enough side tracking..

BTW- Trax ownz.

that was a joke

 

[Insomniak]

Zebo = winnar. I also have to say that I find something inherently annoying about people who don't buy their own PCs/PC Parts. Get a job.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: Insomniak
Zebo = winnar. I also have to say that I find something inherently annoying about people who don't buy their own PCs/PC Parts. Get a job.

:laugh:

 

[DragonFire]

Originally posted by: Zebo
If you're wasting that kind of money FX-55 is the only way to fly. Has SSOI which allows much much higher levels of clocking than 4000 or 53.

4000 or 53 even overclocked allows folks who spent $150 on a 3000 to play with you..55 won't.

I agree! Got my new FX-55 @ 3Ghz or at least I did intill my SATA drive decided to burn one of its resistors. Now it causes my computer to reboot at high bus speeds. I just have to hang in there intill Monday fora replacement.

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: Rami7007
but i cant enjoy myself for a while.... i have to enjoy it for about 6 years

then return 1/2 of that crap. Get a 3000+ and cheaper nfroce3...and use that money to upgrade the processor/mobo/gfx card in three years.

The way I see it.,..going 2-3 levels below top end....get 85% of preformance typically 50% of the cost...

IF you are blowing around 2-3k on this...why not build another 1k-1.5k machine in the future? It makes more sense becauise that 1.5k machine will be faster than what you have anyways....