AMD A4-1200 and its product wins.

[bgt]

You are the only person in the world who thinks that an i5 is slower than a Kabini. I dont even think AMD would agree with you.

Sorry, I never said the i5-3317U is slower then a Kabini. You made that up:twisted: The i5-3317U feels a lot slower then a desktop 1. Thats all.

 

[dahorns]

Sorry, I never said the i5-3317U is slower then a Kabini. You made that up:twisted: The i5-3317U feels a lot slower then a desktop 1. Thats all.

Samsung laptops have a nice quality. I have a XE700T1C-A02NL laptop/tablet(i5-3317U), but it does not feel very snappy. So I guess the Kabini@1.4Ghz will have a better experience index. Samsung won't make a laptop for this price that is not ok enough. My XE700T1C-A02NL was a bit too expensive with the slow i5.

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That seems to be exactly what you are implying.

 

[AtenRa]

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That seems to be exactly what you are implying.

Feel very snappy and better experience implies faster ???

I used the Samsung laptop with the AMD Temash A6-1450 and it felt very snappy, but that doesnt mean it is faster than Core i5 in any way.

 

[dahorns]

Feel very snappy and better experience implies faster ???

I used the Samsung laptop with the AMD Temash A6-1450 and it felt very snappy, but that doesnt mean it is faster than Core i5 in any way.

Saying that chip "x" will provide a better experience than chip "y" is, all else being the same, largely equivalent to saying chip "x" is faster than chip "y". Whether that is what he meant or not is up to him to clarify. I was just pointing out the source of the confusion.

Your statement is non-comparative and thus does not have the same implication. Had you said:

"AMD Temash A6-1450 and it felt very snappy"; and
"Core I5 did not feel very snappy"

The same implication would exist. This all assumes that we are using the term "faster" in a very broad sense vs some type of limited definition (e.g., frequency).

 

[monstercameron]

Saying that chip "x" will provide a better experience than chip "y" is, all else being the same, largely equivalent to saying chip "x" is faster than chip "y". Whether that is what he meant or not is up to him to clarify. I was just pointing out the source of the confusion.

Your statement is non-comparative and thus does not have the same implication. Had you said:

"AMD Temash A6-1450 and it felt very snappy"; and
"Core I5 did not feel very snappy"

The same implication would exist. This all assumes that we are the term "faster" in a very broad sense vs some type of limited definition (e.g., frequency).

have any opinions on the a4-1200?

 

[dahorns]

have any opinions on the a4-1200?

I'd like to play with a 2-1 with one. Same with a baytrail device. Unfortunately I can't find either available in a physical store for me to try out.

I have this huge I5 Lenovo laptop for work, but it is absolutely useless for working on the go. It is more portable than mobile. It is really only practical to use if I can get to my hotel room or somewhere else where I can sit down at a desk and plug the thing in. It is an absolute pain to carry around (though I guess the exercise is nice).

What I want and need is something light that I can use on a plane or during meetings. It needs to last all day and be sufficient for light office work (word, excel, pdf, etc). Devices appear to be out, but not really available unless I want to buy sight unseen. It is frustrating.

 

[bgt]

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That seems to be exactly what you are implying.

Yes, you're right, sorry.

 

[Shivansps]

have any opinions on the a4-1200?

I guess it will be similar to user experience with a C60-70. Today i had a format a NEW Lenovo G485 with a C70 because it was unusable out of the box, it was ok with a clean install and not bloatware, i guess the mcafree antivirus was the big problem, still, its criminal to use something below E-350 howdays, even the E-350 is far from the "good enoght" at this point.

 

[monstercameron]

I guess it will be similar to user experience with a C60-70. Today i had a format a NEW Lenovo G485 with a C70 because it was unusable out of the box, it was ok with a clean install and not bloatware, i guess the mcafree antivirus was the big problem, still, its criminal to use something below E-350 howdays, even the E-350 is far from the "good enoght" at this point.

like an android/ios tablet?

 

[Shivansps]

Im talking about Windows devices(not only tablets), and you know it. Getting a A4-1200/1250 todays feels like getting a C-30 back in 2009, those two are a must to avoid, in the same way that older atoms where a must to avoid, all of them.

 

[monstercameron]

Im talking about Windows devices(not only tablets), and you know it. Getting a A4-1200/1250 todays feels like getting a C-30 back in 2009, those two are a must to avoid, in the same way that older atoms where a must to avoid, all of them.

i know but try not to speak in absolutes and yeah, felt sorry for c-30 buyers.

 

[ninaholic37]

Im talking about Windows devices(not only tablets), and you know it. Getting a A4-1200/1250 todays feels like getting a C-30 back in 2009, those two are a must to avoid, in the same way that older atoms where a must to avoid, all of them.

This is one reason why I won't buy a 3.9-9W AMD (i.e. A4-1250) or ~3W Baytrail (i.e. Z3740) Windows 8 device. Two years down the road, as the dynamic web evolves, these will probably be very frustrating to use and I'll want to throw them out the window (which is basically what I did with my AMD C-50 netbook). My Pentium M laptop from 2004 is still holding up well, but all my Atom netbooks from 2008-2012 I ended up selling on kijiji. Lesson learned. I think Haswell Celeron or an A8 is the minimum smart investment unless you're looking for a cheap disposable toy that you're going to throw away in 2015 and start all over. Just my thoughts.

 

[monstercameron]

This is one reason why I won't buy a 3.9-9W AMD (i.e. A4-1250) or ~3W Baytrail (i.e. Z3740) Windows 8 device. Two years down the road, as the dynamic web evolves, these will probably be very frustrating to use and I'll want to throw them out the window (which is basically what I did with my AMD C-50 netbook). My Pentium M laptop from 2004 is still holding up well, but all my Atom netbooks from 2008-2012 I ended up selling on kijiji. Lesson learned. I think Haswell Celeron or an A8 is the minimum smart investment unless you're looking for a cheap disposable toy that you're going to throw away in 2015 and start all over. Just my thoughts.

if you were hoping ulp chips would work well as a work horse then there is your problem. it is the same situation[actually even worse] with non x86 tablets...ever heard of the hp touchpad or the moto xoom...the good thing about the amd chip is that even though the perf wont be there in comparison to newer chips, atleast it will be compatible.

 

[monstercameron]

if this is accurate then AMD should just quit while they are ahead...
http://www.asus.com/Notebooks_Ultrabooks/X552EP/#specifications

 

[bullzz]

all was interesting until the weight..

 

[Shivansps]

Atoms and C-50 has been used on cheap 15" before, they where always useless and the A4-1200 does not change that much.

I cant imagine anyone using dual temashs, i still remember my old MSI U230 with the NEO L335, my user experience of going from that to a HP DM1z was worse because E-350 is slower than L335 and i could notice it, poor the guys that have to use a A4-12xx that is even worse than that. The A4-1200 is a much worse than a L335, that is a 2009 cpu for cheap and light notebooks.

 

[monstercameron]

Atoms and C-50 has been used on cheap 15" before, they where always useless and the A4-1200 does not change that much.

I cant imagine anyone using dual temashs, i still remember my old MSI U230 with the NEO L335, my user experience of going from that to a HP DM1z was worse because E-350 is slower than L335 and i could notice it, poor the guys that have to use a A4-12xx that is even worse than that. The A4-1200 is a much worse than a L335, that is a 2009 cpu for cheap and light notebooks.

wow, you make it sound so dire, must I remind that even though these are not the fastest, they are plenty adequate for watching video, web surfing, communication and light productivity...it is all about perspective...
it is better than most android socs out there and runs windows 8.1 [for good or bad] so please stop making it sound like it doesnt actually work as advertised.

 

[Shivansps]

Well, its advertised as "high performance" on that Asus webpage...

The problem is, that is not a tablet with android or a 7" $70 ARM netbook, people expect some level of performance when buying a 15" Windows Notebook TODAY, how much money they could save for not placing a 1450 in there?

In the same way im pissed at Intel for its crappy IGP at BT, im pissed at AMD for selling something like the A4-1200 and A4-1250.

 

[bullzz]

ativ book lite review
http://www.engadget.com/2013/11/06/samsung-ativ-book-9-lite-review/

costs $800? its day light robbery

 

[Sweepr]

ativ book lite review
http://www.engadget.com/2013/11/06/samsung-ativ-book-9-lite-review/

costs $800? its day light robbery

Abysmall battery life, 4:33 hours with a 5,880mAh battery? Surface Pro 2 does 6:27 hours with a smaller 4,200mAh battery. And thats a much slower chip + 1366x768 screen (vs Surface Pro 2's Core i5 + 1080p IPS).

 

[monstercameron]

Abysmall battery life, 4:33 hours with a 5,880mAh battery? Surface Pro 2 does 6:27 hours with a smaller 4,200mAh battery. And thats a much slower chip + 1366x768 screen (vs Surface Pro 2's Core i5 + 1080p IPS).

please dont misinform
samsung 30WHr: http://www.samsung.com/au/consumer/pc-peripherals/notebook-pc/ativ-book/NP905S3G-K02AU-spec

MS surface pro 2 42WHr: http://www.anandtech.com/show/7440/microsoft-surface-pro-2-review

haswell has great idle power numbers but relatively high load power consumption.

event the ipad 4 has a larger battery...

 

[ShintaiDK]

I thought both of you have learned by now not to draw CPU conclusions from battery size and life. There is simply too much else that effects it in a mobile device/laptop. Its essentially no different than the 20-30W differences we can see just on 2 different desktop boards with the same CPU.

 

[monstercameron]

ativ book lite review
http://www.engadget.com/2013/11/06/samsung-ativ-book-9-lite-review/

costs $800? its day light robbery

paying the new samsung tax[the android folks created a monster], design, that ssd[premium charge], side-sync and home-sync.

 

[monstercameron]

video review of a4-1200 netbook acer x102ba
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2C7yha0F42M

 

[dahorns]

video review of a4-1200 netbook acer x102ba
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2C7yha0F42M

That was a bit rough. Very slow opening applications, bad benches, and mediocre battery life. Also slow when he was running the browser.

I honestly don't know why you'd buy it over the Asus T100 at the same price. I guess if you need more storage (it has 320GB 5200 hd)? Or really want 10 point multi-touch?