AMD A10-5800K preview - iGPU side only

[Phynaz]

GPU should never be used because it's a term Nvidia marketing made up a decade ago.

I agree.

 

[Red Hawk]

I agree.

Well then at least you're consistent.

 

[AtenRa]

1)same cpu performance with i3 3225
2)better igpu performance by magnitude
3)idle power similar and in the error debending the mobo i3 can easily be the lowest

4)worse load consumption which means louder fan
5)future proof!??!?!? intel has i5 i7 already for the socket even if amd gives an upgrade for what 5-10%max cpu upgrade??? i do not see the platform more future proof.

trinity has a market but depending the purpose an i3 can do the job.
if it was not for the netfix even a bobcat or atom will do for a low end machine

Again, we are talking about APUs (cpu + iGPU) here, i5 and i7 will get you nothing more from the APU perspective, you only gaining in CPU performance.

On the other hand, the Trinity user will be able to install Kaveri APUs next year in the same platform and gain performance, lower power(28nm) and features both in CPU and iGPU.

 

[Dark Shroud]

Nvidia's GPU's do too, does that mean they are also to be called APU's?

Considering Nvidia doesn't have a x86/x64 CPU to pair up with their GPUs I would say the answer is no.

 

[AtenRa]

http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2529761

 

[Idontcare]

Considering Nvidia doesn't have a x86/x64 CPU to pair up with their GPUs I would say the answer is no.

My Nvidia graphics card accelerates the application of filters in transcoding video that would ordinarily occur on my Intel CPU thanks to CUDA in TMPGEnc.

If the x87 was an FPU in a 386 computer then surely my Nvidia GPU is actually an APU in my Intel system, they just aren't integrated onto the same piece of silicon. Neither was the x87 FPU for a while, but it was still called an FPU nonetheless.

 

[AtenRa]

My Nvidia graphics card accelerates the application of filters in transcoding video that would ordinarily occur on my Intel CPU thanks to CUDA in TMPGEnc.

If the x87 was an FPU in a 386 computer then surely my Nvidia GPU is actually an APU in my Intel system, they just aren't integrated onto the same piece of silicon. Neither was the x87 FPU for a while, but it was still called an FPU nonetheless.

I dont disagree with what you saying but for simplicity lets call the CPUs + iGPUs as APUs.

Well, most of the new (3-4 gens) AMD and NV GPUs could be called GPGPUs but we still call them GPUs. We could even call them(GPUs) GP-FPUs and it still would be correct.

 

[ShintaiDK]

I dont disagree with what you saying but for simplicity lets call the CPUs + iGPUs as APUs.

Lets call it CPUs instead like 80% of the x86 market. APU supporters is a minority.

 

[TerryMathews]

Lets call it CPUs instead like 80% of the x86 market. APU supporters is a minority.

Don't get stuck in the past. Trinity and any other chip with graphics support on die beyond simple framebuffer are vastly different than a traditional CPU.

It's not like this is the first time a new term was coined. SOC, for example.

Also the term dates to 2006 and AMD did not create it.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Don't get stuck in the past. Trinity and any other chip with graphics support on die beyond simple framebuffer are vastly different than a traditional CPU.

It's not like this is the first time a new term was coined. SOC, for example.

Also the term dates to 2006 and AMD did not create it.

Point was only AMD calls its CPUs for APU.

 

[NTMBK]

Point was only AMD calls its CPUs for APU.

Actually AMD calls its CPUs CPUs, and its APUs APUs

 

[TerryMathews]

Point was only AMD calls its CPUs for APU.

Half the die is dedicated to something other than central processing.

Is it your position that anything that can be used as a CPU should only be called that regardless of other capabilities a la SOC?

 

[Phynaz]

Half the die is dedicated to something other than central processing.

Is it your position that anything that can be used as a CPU should only be called that regardless of other capabilities a la SOC?

That's my position. Central Processing Unit. Is that not what AMD is selling??

I have many computers that run just fine without graphics of any sort. I don't have any that can run without a CPU.

 

[TerryMathews]

That's my position. Central Processing Unit. Is that not what AMD is selling??

I have many computers that run just fine without graphics of any sort. I don't have any that can run without a CPU.

You're arguing for less transparency. It doesn't seem to make sense.

 

[Red Hawk]

That's my position. Central Processing Unit. Is that not what AMD is selling??

I have many computers that run just fine without graphics of any sort. I don't have any that can run without a CPU.

No, it's not just what AMD is selling. To be completely fair, APU is a type of CPU. That type of CPU is a CPU with graphics integrated into the die. But just the term "CPU" is insufficient to communicate that detail. Thus, we use the term APU. It's already been shown to you that the term was actually not invented by a marketing department. It's term which denotes a real difference from a traditional CPU. Is there really any problem with using it?

My Nvidia graphics card accelerates the application of filters in transcoding video that would ordinarily occur on my Intel CPU thanks to CUDA in TMPGEnc.

If the x87 was an FPU in a 386 computer then surely my Nvidia GPU is actually an APU in my Intel system, they just aren't integrated onto the same piece of silicon. Neither was the x87 FPU for a while, but it was still called an FPU nonetheless.

No, the point of an APU is that the CPU component and GPU component are in fact integrated into the same silicon die.

 

[Phynaz]

No, it's not just what AMD is selling. To be completely fair, APU is a type of CPU. That type of CPU is a CPU with graphics integrated into the die. But just the term "CPU" is insufficient to communicate that detail. Thus, we use the term APU. It's already been shown to you that the term was actually not invented by a marketing department. It's term which denotes a real difference from a traditional CPU. Is there really any problem with using it?



No, the point of an APU is that the CPU component and GPU component are in fact integrated into the same silicon die.

So then an APU is only a CPU with integrated graphics? Because the definition you keep saying I've been shown specifically says "outside of a CPU", and the examples that are given specifically talk about external dedicated components, FPGA's in particular.

Is the AMD integrated GPU an external FPGA? Because that's the definition a couple of people keep pointing to as "prior art".

 

[Idontcare]

No, the point of an APU is that the CPU component and GPU component are in fact integrated into the same silicon die.

What does that make my i7-3770k?

 

[pelov]

What does that make my i7-3770k?

CPU-EGP

Actually, Intel favors that name and not an APU. Or it might have been IGPU or IGP or something, but they do have their own acronym for describing the processors and it's not just "CPU," though that's obviously the most popular.

There are inherent differences. AMD's "APU" is part marketing but it's also part sense. Whereas Intel's on-die GPUs are there just for video (don't say quicksync is part of the GPU...), the AMD GPUs can crunch numbers as well as play games. That distinction will become even more present as AMD moves towards complete integration. But even now that's still a notable difference between the two, thus you can understand why they want to distance themselves from each other with respect to the branding.

It does beg the question of how GPUs would fit in, but it isn't really that messy...

GPUs aren't CPUs, though you can make the argument that they might be APUs.
APUs aren't CPU-EGPs, but they are both CPUs and GPUs.
CPU-EGPs aren't APUs, but they have both a CPU and a GPU.

 

[Phynaz]

There are inherent differences. AMD's "APU" is part marketing but it's also part sense. Whereas Intel's on-die GPUs are there just for video (don't say quicksync is part of the GPU...), the AMD GPUs can crunch numbers as well as play games.

See my link to the Intel OpenCL dev kit above. Isn't playing games "crunching numbers"?

 

[pelov]

See my link to the Intel OpenCL dev kit above. Isn't playing games "crunching numbers"?

It is, but it's different number crunching than a general purpose CPU... unless you're really into playing mid 90's games.

The openCL performance (AMD's APP, btw) boosts CPU performance on both competitors, but it's only AMD's that benefits from GPU acceleration as well.

 

[Red Hawk]

So then an APU is only a CPU with integrated graphics? Because the definition you keep saying I've been shown specifically says "outside of a CPU", and the examples that are given specifically talk about external dedicated components, FPGA's in particular.

Is the AMD integrated GPU an external FPGA? Because that's the definition a couple of people keep pointing to as "prior art".

The term has evolved beyond its initial meaning into something directly relevant to current technology. Or rather, the meaning has been adapted into something a little different.

What does that make my i7-3770k?

An APU, whether Intel chooses to market it as such or not.

 

[piesquared]

Its simple, the APU's were designed to accelerate apps with the most efficient and highest performing method available(CPU,gGPU, 3rd party IP, or a combination of the 3), ergo Accelerated Processing Units. Naturally Intel can't call there's APUs they don't have the same abilities. But really its irrelevant what Intel wants to call them, the industry already knows them as APUs and the term is already ubiquitous.

Your spell-checker seems to be broken. Allow me to lend you mine
-ViRGE

 

[guskline]

What does that make my i7-3770k?

Darned fast if you ask me. The AMD APU is a nice inexpensive chip that gives decent performance but up against an Intel 3770k no way. That's like taking a kinda hopped up 4 banger to the Drag strip against a new Corvette. I know who wins that race

 

[Phynaz]

It is, but it's different number crunching than a general purpose CPU... unless you're really into playing mid 90's games.

The openCL performance (AMD's APP, btw) boosts CPU performance on both competitors, but it's only AMD's that benefits from GPU acceleration as well.

Ummm...no. Again, see my link.

 

[Phynaz]

the industry already knows them as APUs and the term is already ubiquitous.

Please inform us of who else in the industry calls them APU's?