AMD 9950

[coldpower27]

Native and True are marketing BS invented by AMD to try to make their product look better nothing more.

Monolithic vs MCM are better terms to describe different implementations of Quad Core. Without inserting any agenda like terms like AMD did.

Each implementation has it's own advantages.

 

[Idontcare]

Worrying about "how" the cores are integrated inside your system is relevant for a few programs that critically depend on the interprocessor communication latency and bandwidth.

For the majority of applications, especially desktop apps, this metric of performance is irrelevant.

How many people care that there are 8 ram chips on their DIMM stick instead of just a single monolithic ram die? Want to take a guess why no one has been coaxed into caring?

 

[zsdersw]

Originally posted by: BTRY B 529th FA BN
They why was/is the term 'true' accepted and or adopted even in everyday lingo and even in some internet reviews over your same argument?

Many things are accepted and even adopted by others even though they're completely wrong.

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: zsdersw

Originally posted by: BTRY B 529th FA BN
They why was/is the term 'true' accepted and or adopted even in everyday lingo and even in some internet reviews over your same argument?

Many things are accepted and even adopted by others even though they're completely wrong.

Mission Accomplished!

 

[BTRY B 529th FA BN]

Originally posted by: zsdersw

Originally posted by: BTRY B 529th FA BN
They why was/is the term 'true' accepted and or adopted even in everyday lingo and even in some internet reviews over your same argument?

Many things are accepted and even adopted by others even though they're completely wrong.

"completely" ? I feel as though you have taken this personally and the - its wrong, a blatant lie, and now, completely wrong - is just way beyond normality with people over a moot point. And if I were to accept what I am saying as wrong, I'd have to digress into what ColdPower27 has said about Monolithic VS MCM cause the only thing this thread is leading too is lala land.

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: SlowSpyder
I know that the Intel stuff is very popular right now, so AMD's processors really don't get as much exposure. So a lot of people I don't think realize how decent the Phenom can perform when the IMC/L3 is overclocked. From what I saw when the IMC/L3 reaches the 2.4GHz range the Phenom seems to be quite close clock for clock to the Q6600.

But, because the Phenom BE's have an unlocked multiplier most reviewers simply use that to get their overclock and call it a day.

I think AMD's biggest problem isn't the performance of the chip, more is certaily better, the Phenom is still plenty fast for the vast majority of users. It's biggest problem is power draw for the performance you get. Hopefully 45nm will be a big help with that.

At the end of the day though, even though I had to buy a $150 motherboard and I get less overall performance then a Q6600, I'd have to say I'd buy this Phenom again today after having it for a while now. It easily handles anything I throw at it. My power hungry 2900Pro @ 800MHz and my power hungry Phenom @ 2.8GHz seem to easily run on my little (by a lot of people's standards here) 550 watt power supply.

Anyway, I'd say the 9950 will probably be a very nice upgrade for people who have an existing AM2 board that can handle it's power demands. Obviously for most people that are building a system from the ground up, Intel has some very compelling options.

sure, that's very true, but how many people with am2 chips have a mobo that can handle the 140w 9950?

 

[zsdersw]

Originally posted by: BTRY B 529th FA BN
"completely" ? I feel as though you have taken this personally and the - its wrong, a blatant lie, and now, completely wrong - is just way beyond normality with people over a moot point.

Well, that may be how you feel - that I'm taking this personally - but I am not, and what you feel is not a matter for which I am responsible. 🙂

It's not a moot point, either. I correct or point out errors in people's terms and IT lingo because, at the very least, they should know that they're in error. Whether they correct their errors is entirely up to them, but if they read what I post they're going to know if they're in error... and that's all there is to it. 🙂

 

[magreen]

Originally posted by: BTRY B 529th FA BN
"completely" ? I feel as though you have taken this personally and the - its wrong, a blatant lie, and now, completely wrong - is just way beyond normality with people over a moot point. And if I were to accept what I am saying as wrong, I'd have to digress into what ColdPower27 has said about Monolithic VS MCM cause the only thing this thread is leading too is lala land.

No it isn't.

 

[BTRY B 529th FA BN]

No, I believe I am being baited. There is nothing wrong with using the term TRUE in describing the AMD quad core.

 

[BLaber]

I thought I would find some x4 9950 BE overclock info in this thread , but never mind 🙂

 

[aigomorla]

uhhh...

IDC those have 4 threads? if there on neha arch, there not quadcores. Just dualcores with hyper threading so they have 4 workable threads.

i want to build a neha skulltrail with 8 cores and 16 threads. 😛

I need a female goddess name for this monster.

 

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: BTRY B 529th FA BN
No, I believe I am being baited.

You aren't.

There is nothing wrong with using the term TRUE in describing the AMD quad core.

As long as you don't mind being wrong, that's true.

Originally posted by: BLaber
I thought I would find some x4 9950 BE overclock info in this thread , but never mind 🙂

Unfortunately, the link in the first post was about the only 9950 BE info in the thread. Don't worry, though, I have the feeling that SlowSpyder may very well have plans to buy a 9950 BE in the near future.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Originally posted by: BLaber
I thought I would find some x4 9950 BE overclock info in this thread , but never mind 🙂

Nope... pretty much any AMD related CPU thread will die in flames these days. Usually it'll morph into the Intel users swinging their e-penis around. But suprisingly in this case it turned into a 'native' quad core battle, I thought the native quad core vs. MCM horse had already been beaten to death and then some, but here it is again. See? There is a variety of ways to destroy AMD threads around here. 🙂

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: SlowSpyder
Nope... pretty much any AMD related CPU thread will die in flames these days. Usually it'll morph into the Intel users swinging their e-penis around. But suprisingly in this case it turned into a 'native' quad core battle, I thought the native quad core vs. MCM horse had already been beaten to death and then some, but here it is again.

I would have liked to have seen that be stated as "some Intel users"...hopefully not all the Intel users in these threads are being equally precocious and unrestrained.

Originally posted by: SlowSpyder
See? There is a variety of ways to destroy AMD threads around here. 🙂

For some of us it is theraputic to lament about AMD as a form of empathy.

How many of us have a loved brother or sister who has made disasterous decisions (spurned that job opportunity, made the boneheaded email debacle at work and got fired, etc) and as much as we want to see them succeed the only way we know to deal with their pains and struggles is to mock them in that tough love way?

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: BLaber
I thought I would find some x4 9950 BE overclock info in this thread , but never mind 🙂

Looking at the majority of the relevant posts it would appear the consensus is that you should wait until the new southbridge is out and about before playing with your 9950.

No sense needlessly abusing your 9950 (if you have one already) if you don't have the kinder gentler mobos.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Originally posted by: Idontcare

Originally posted by: SlowSpyder
Nope... pretty much any AMD related CPU thread will die in flames these days. Usually it'll morph into the Intel users swinging their e-penis around. But suprisingly in this case it turned into a 'native' quad core battle, I thought the native quad core vs. MCM horse had already been beaten to death and then some, but here it is again.

I would have liked to have seen that be stated as "some Intel users"...hopefully not all the Intel users in these threads are being equally precocious and unrestrained.

Originally posted by: SlowSpyder
See? There is a variety of ways to destroy AMD threads around here. 🙂

For some of us it is theraputic to lament about AMD as a form of empathy.

How many of us have a loved brother or sister who has made disasterous decisions (spurned that job opportunity, made the boneheaded email debacle at work and got fired, etc) and as much as we want to see them succeed the only way we know to deal with their pains and struggles is to mock them in that tough love way?

Oh no, all of you are like that. Just kidding. 😛 I should have worded that better... the majority of people here are quite helpful, but there is certainly a trend with AMD threads lately. No offense meant.

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: SlowSpyder
Oh no, all of you are like that. Just kidding. 😛 I should have worded that better... the majority of people here are quite helpful, but there is certainly a trend with AMD threads lately. No offense meant.

SlowSpyder, sadly I too have noticed a certain shift in the environment here.

I don't know if it is happening out of poster's excitement of things coming on the horizon or out of poster's growing desperation of things that seem to be delayed, but there is a tinge of excessive passion in some posts nowadays and one cannot ignore the suffocating affect this has on people who might otherwise have been open to expressing their opinions but they lurk instead of posting out of fear of being belittled, berated, or just out-shouted.

When the majority of people left posting are the folks who feel so passionate about their opinions that they'll post in any environment then you are left with a forum filled with an inordinate amount of zealot-on-zealot action.

Not that this is a bad thing either, but one must recognize there is a difference between an open-minded forum of colleagues intelligently and cordially debating each other's viewpoints versus posters who are overly passionate about convincing everyone their personal viewpoint is the only possible correct viewpoint.