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Question AMD 7800XT, 7900XT or NVIDIA 4070 Super?

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bob4432 said:
For the short term, assuming the 3060 is better than the RX580.
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for short term is ok, but be sure whole PS5 gen + crossgen(PS6) period going mass flood games with UE5 engine. If you not planning change monitor, then look for cards which give for now like 90+ fps at 1080+, then you will be fine even 5 year later.
Same happens with Pascal UE4 games is running fine even today.
 
A friend of mine won an auction for a sapphire pulse triple fan 7900XT w/ 20GB RAM for $625 all taxes included - he is offering it to me if I want it - what say the hive?

I know I will be going 1440 as I already have the monitor, and am on the lookout for a deal on a gaming 4K display.

Card available to me -
www.sapphiretech.com

PULSE AMD Radeon™ RX 7900 XT 20GB

<p style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"><span style="color: #131313;">BOOST CLOCK Up to 2450 MHz, 20GB/320 bit DDR6. 20 Gbps Effective</span></p>
www.sapphiretech.com www.sapphiretech.com
 
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bob4432 said:
A friend of mine won an auction for a sapphire pulse triple fan 7900XT w/ 20GB RAM for $625 all taxes included - he is offering it to me if I want it - what say the hive?

Card we are talking about -
www.sapphiretech.com

PULSE AMD Radeon™ RX 7900 XT 20GB

<p style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;"><span style="color: #131313;">BOOST CLOCK Up to 2450 MHz, 20GB/320 bit DDR6. 20 Gbps Effective</span></p>
www.sapphiretech.com www.sapphiretech.com
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Strict no.

Both 5070 & n48 xtx are better than that (for cheaper price)
 
biostud said:
if he wants to start gaming right now its i good price.
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  1. we have sufficient leaks on RDNA 4 to estimate that:
    1. It will match 7900xt in raster
    2. It will be much better than 7900xt in RT
    3. It will be priced around $600
    4. It will be released in CES 2025 (Jan)
  2. We already have performance of Lunar Lake APU based on which to estimate battlemage
  3. Since nvidia has competition from both AMD & Intel the 5070 should also be in same price range
  4. As a precursor to introducing new cards there will be a clearance sale of existing cards
  5. This means if you wait for a month the price of existing cards would dip by $100
Hence buying a card for ~$650 immediately is a bad deal, unless there is a game that you want to play within the next one month
 
What's 625 tax in equivalent to without taxes for you? The Pulse is $650 at Newegg, so depending on what that is it might not be worth as Sapphire's warranty is pretty crappy.

SAPPHIRE-Customer Service

www.sapphiretech.com www.sapphiretech.com

I'm going to disagree on marees too. Now is a perfectly fine time to buy a GPU. Prices at each performance tier might drop a bit, but if you're thinking waiting until after CES you're going to get 7900 XT performance a lot cheaper you'll probably be disappointed. Knowing AMD they probably won't even price their new cards appropriately at launch and they won't hit a reasonable level until the 3 week price cut.
 
MrTeal said:
What's 625 tax in equivalent to without taxes for you? The Pulse is $650 at Newegg, so depending on what that is it might not be worth as Sapphire's warranty is pretty crappy.

SAPPHIRE-Customer Service

www.sapphiretech.com www.sapphiretech.com

I'm going to disagree on marees too. Now is a perfectly fine time to buy a GPU. Prices at each performance tier might drop a bit, but if you're thinking waiting until after CES you're going to get 7900 XT performance a lot cheaper you'll probably be disappointed. Knowing AMD they probably won't even price their new cards appropriately at launch and they won't hit a reasonable level until the 3 week price cut.
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Ok. If you have to buy a card immediately then buy the msi 4070 ti super directly from its website ($730)

On AMD side I would wait for RDNA 4 & FSR 4 otherwise there could be serious buyer's remorse
 
marees said:
Ok. If you have to buy a card immediately then buy the msi 4070 ti super directly from its website ($730)

On AMD side I would wait for RDNA 4 & FSR 4 otherwise there could be serious buyer's remorse
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He was asking about cards in the $470-$600 range and you say he should wait until next year because buying now is a poor value, but now if he does want something immediately he should buy a $730 card?

The higher in the stack you go generally the worse they're going to hold up.
 
I will say the 7900XT for $625 all in is a decent deal, right now, but there is a point to be made about the warranty concern, as mentioned. It may be that since there is an auction, the warranty may not apply. But I don't know the details so I can't say for sure.

That said since you are OK with waiting a bit for now, may as well see what happens at CES. And the 5700X3D should help a fair bit as an upgrade, as well as the RTX 3060.
 
Shmee said:
I will say the 7900XT for $625 all in is a decent deal, right now, but there is a point to be made about the warranty concern, as mentioned. It may be that since there is an auction, the warranty may not apply. But I don't know the details so I can't say for sure.

That said since you are OK with waiting a bit for now, may as well see what happens at CES. And the 5700X3D should help a fair bit as an upgrade, as well as the RTX 3060.
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I don't think an auctioned 7900 XT at $625 is that great a deal considering the current cost of new ones. This one is ~$640 brand new, and you'd have no questions about the warranty: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/v2...-rx-7900-xt-20-gb-video-card-rx7900xt-pg-20go
 
my hot take is outside of the 7900XTX which is really good value , just buy the green thing because the other AMD cards dont have the RT capabilities.

my next hot take is that basic RT is the game changer and the RT that brings a 4090 to its knees isn't perceivable in motion in games. But going to true global illimitation even with single bounce is a big IQ improvement.

my 3rd hot take is based off the 2nd which is RT shadows , AO, etc dont matter much because we actually don't want realistic lighting in games, just the same as we don't have realistic lightning in movies. We want to see an effect but we actually want to be able to see, so that means we mostly need some form of direct lighting , because indirect lighting you cant bloody see anything, so lots of expensive bounces doesn't do much.
 
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Interesting hot takes! I will say that I don't usually go for RT at all, I consider it to be largely a gimmick currently. I do think DLSS and FSR can be nice though, at improving performance.
 
Shmee said:
I do think DLSS and FSR can be nice though, at improving performance.
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FSR 4 with AI upscaling could be better in RDNA 4 vs RDNA 3 (Based on PS4, RDNA 4 could have double the TOPS of RDNA 3). Which is one reason to wait for RDNA 4 on AMD side

On the green side, it appears to me that MSI is having a clearance sale. Are they going out of GPU business 🤔
(Edit: out of stock now. Forget it)

https://us-store.msi.com/Graphics-C...Ti-SUPER/GeForce-RTX-4070-Ti-SUPER-16G-EXPERT

Via VideoCardz

MSI now offering its RTX 4070 Ti SUPER “EXPERT GPU at $729​


https://videocardz.com/pixel/msi-now-offering-its-rtx-4070-ti-super-expert-gpu-at-729
 
I would like to see a 7800xt, 7900xt and 7900xtx all on N4P. Such an easy thing for AMD to do until RDNA 5. Since they are not going after performance with RDNA 4.
 
Hans Gruber said:
I would like to see a 7800xt, 7900xt and 7900xtx all on N4P. Such an easy thing for AMD to do until RDNA 5. Since they are not going after performance with RDNA 4.
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7800xt & 7900xt are pointless. RDNA 4 will beat both of them

Unfortunately there is no 7900xtx on N4P, it seems like.
Hopefully an RDNA 5 9700xt on 3nm by Q1 2025 🤔 can beat it !!
 
Brainonska511 said:
I don't think an auctioned 7900 XT at $625 is that great a deal considering the current cost of new ones. This one is ~$640 brand new, and you'd have no questions about the warranty: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/v2...-rx-7900-xt-20-gb-video-card-rx7900xt-pg-20go
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Yeah, even if the auction was from an authed dealer, you'd probably still have to go through the friend with how Sapphire's policy is worded.

Hard to say the value without knowing what kind of tax rate OP pays though; the US is all over the place. Sending that GPU to my FIL's place in California adds $61 in tax, so $625 vs $700 is a bit more of a discount. Not a killer deal, but still a decent savings.
 
MrTeal said:
Yeah, even if the auction was from an authed dealer, you'd probably still have to go through the friend with how Sapphire's policy is worded.

Hard to say the value without knowing what kind of tax rate OP pays though; the US is all over the place. Sending that GPU to my FIL's place in California adds $61 in tax, so $625 vs $700 is a bit more of a discount. Not a killer deal, but still a decent savings.
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Jumping through hoops to avoid sales taxes that you're arguably required to pay regardless of whether the seller collects or not to save a few bucks and have potential warranty issues just isn't worth the hassle.
 
Kinda surprised to see 4070 super having better fps Ray tracing than a 7900XT in HL.

Looks like this is where AMD needs to catch up.
 
I think it is fine to buy now if you find a sweet deal, since many etailers/retailers are offering their early Black Friday/Cyber Monday deals, with price protection. i.e. they won't sell it cheaper through the Black Friday/Cyber Monday sale events. I don't think things tend historically to be any cheaper for the Xmas season than they were for the Black Friday/Cyber Monday deals. Exceptions are exceptions and not the rule, impossible to predict.
 
Brainonska511 said:
Jumping through hoops to avoid sales taxes that you're arguably required to pay regardless of whether the seller collects or not to save a few bucks and have potential warranty issues just isn't worth the hassle.
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I won't disagree on the warranty to save 10%, but he said $625 all taxes included. That doesn't seem like his friend was avoiding taxes, just that it cost less and $625 was the final price out the door.
 
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