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[BFG10K]

AMD Radeon RX 7800 XT Review

With the Radeon RX 7800 XT, AMD is going after the GeForce RTX 4070. Our review confirms that AMD has achieved performance parity in rasterization and is pretty close in ray tracing, at a much better price point, and they are giving you 16 GB VRAM, instead of just 12 GB.

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7800XT overall faster than a 4070 in rasterization for $100 less and with 16GB VRAM. Also beats the 4060TI in ray tracing for the same $500. Not bad.

 

[BurnItDwn]

heres the link on the main AT page as well

AMD Announces Radeon RX 7800 XT & Radeon RX 7700 XT: Enthusiast-Class RDNA3 For 1440p Gaming

www.anandtech.com

Seems like reasonable value for the dollar.
7800xt likely not much faster than a 6800xt, but price seems not too bad.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

heres the link on the main AT page as well

AMD Announces Radeon RX 7800 XT & Radeon RX 7700 XT: Enthusiast-Class RDNA3 For 1440p Gaming

www.anandtech.com

Seems like reasonable value for the dollar.
7800xt likely not much faster than a 6800xt, but price seems not too bad.

Yeah we keep thinking prices from years ago. Sadly cards are more expensive and likely will continue to be more expensive in the foreseeable future.
I’m not an AMD guy in the video space these are typical AMD releases, slightly better price not much else.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

I'm actually most interested in AMD's DLAA feature (in traditional AMD fashion it has a terrible name, like Native AA or something).

If there is one for real practical benefit of all these super scaling algos, it's applying them to a native res image (or even super sampled image) for a cleaner AA than TAA provides.

I also can't really argue with the openness of FSR 3. I have no intention of using it with my 6800xt, but if it helps me stretch my 980ti for just a leeeeetle bit longer until 7 and 6 series cards get a smidge cheaper then i'm all for it.

 

[Mopetar]

$500 is $50 less than I was expecting and the free game (assuming you want it) makes it more like a $450 card.

I'll hold out for reviews, but this is at least tempting. I think NVidia is going to have to cut prices on the 4060 Ti because even if AMD gets no performance gains over the 6800 XT, this is still going to stomp both variants of the 4060 Ti.

 

[jpiniero]

$500 is $50 less than I was expecting and the free game (assuming you want it) makes it more like a $450 card.

I'll hold out for reviews, but this is at least tempting. I think NVidia is going to have to cut prices on the 4060 Ti because even if AMD gets no performance gains over the 6800 XT, this is still going to stomp both variants of the 4060 Ti.

You can still buy new 6800's for $429 and 6800 XT for $509. So it's not like the raster perf/$ is changing enough to compel nVidia to do much other than possibly end the 4060 Ti 16 GB production, if they haven't already.

 

[Mopetar]

You can still buy new 6800's for $429 and 6800 XT for $509. So it's not like the raster perf/$ is changing enough to compel nVidia to do much other than possibly end the 4060 Ti 16 GB production, if they haven't already.

The $400 8 GB 4060 Ti doesn't look great either if you value the free game at $50, which considering it's a launch title is reasonable.

A much more powerful 16 GB card for an extra $50? Either you're a hardcore green (NVidia) fan or a serious green (money) hater to consider that.

The 7700 XT should be $400 though. The 7800 XT already kills any reason to buy one. Sure it looks good next to an 8 GB 4060 Ti but everyone already treats that card like it has the plague.

 

[insertcarehere]

The $400 8 GB 4060 Ti doesn't look great either if you value the free game at $50, which considering it's a launch title is reasonable.

A much more powerful 16 GB card for an extra $50? Either you're a hardcore green (NVidia) fan or a serious green (money) hater to consider that.

The 7700 XT should be $400 though. The 7800 XT already kills any reason to buy one. Sure it looks good next to an 8 GB 4060 Ti but everyone already treats that card like it has the plague.

By that logic, every Nvidia card including and above a 4070 had a $50 discount when they came with Diablo 4 codes around 2 months ago....

And besides, Starfield was already freely available with new AMD CPUs, as well as Game Pass users for quite some time. Unless these codes are freely transferable (i.e monetizable) a sizable portion of the customer base aren't gonna get value out of an extra copy of a game they already received.

 

[burninatortech4]

Waiting for reviews and a sapphire custom 7800XT before I pull the trigger. Might just go with 7900XT.

 

[VirtualLarry]

The 7700 XT should be $400 though.

Yeah. Agreed.

JTC agrees.

 

[Tup3x]

I'm actually most interested in AMD's DLAA feature (in traditional AMD fashion it has a terrible name, like Native AA or something).

If there is one for real practical benefit of all these super scaling algos, it's applying them to a native res image (or even super sampled image) for a cleaner AA than TAA provides.

I also can't really argue with the openness of FSR 3. I have no intention of using it with my 6800xt, but if it helps me stretch my 980ti for just a leeeeetle bit longer until 7 and 6 series cards get a smidge cheaper then i'm all for it.

Genshin Impact uses FSR2 as AA solution when using rendering scale >=1. Looks worse than SMAA + >1 resolution scale especially in motion IMO. Not sure what version they are using though.

They recommend RTX 3000 and RDNA2 for FSR3 while RDNA1 and RTX 2000 are supported. It's unsure if it even works with older hardware. Probably not 980 Ti since it had rather meh async compute.

 

[jpiniero]

The 7700 XT should be $400 though. The 7800 XT already kills any reason to buy one.

It should be faster enough than the 4060 Ti 8 GB to justify the price, even accounting for AMD. It is dumb compared to the 7800 XT but that's where keeping the supply realistic comes in.

 

[Ajay]

Waiting for reviews and a sapphire custom 7800XT before I pull the trigger. Might just go with 7900XT.

RX 7900 XT is a good card, especially on sale or with a rebate/coupon code. If you get allot of stuttering problems - buy a discrete TPM module for your motherboard (problem with Zen3 CPUs and RDNA3 cards). Wish I had tried that option before returning my XFX 7900 XT. I liked it better than my 4070 Ti (aside from the freaking enormous size and weight!).

 

[Ajay]

You can still buy new 6800's for $429 and 6800 XT for $509. So it's not like the raster perf/$ is changing enough to compel nVidia to do much other than possibly end the 4060 Ti 16 GB production, if they haven't already.

Yeah, seriously. AMD pretty much HAD to list the 7800 XT at $500 because of the 6800XTs out there (and 6950s @ $630 - though with supply running out they are increasing in price)**. Partner custom cards will be more, but prices will likely drop quite a bit for the 'Black Friday' selling season.


**btw, who are the yahoos that buy 6950s for $800+??

 

[Mopetar]

By that logic, every Nvidia card including and above a 4070 had a $50 discount when they came with Diablo 4 codes around 2 months ago....

Yeah, if you value the game or you can sell the code for $50 if you don't want the game then it's no different than a mail-in rebate from a manufacturer. Wasn't Diablo IV $70 though? Definitely a good deal if you're a fan of the series and a 4070 is a decent card for $530.

It should be faster enough than the 4060 Ti 8 GB to justify the price, even accounting for AMD. It is dumb compared to the 7800 XT but that's where keeping the supply realistic comes in.

The 4060 Ti isn't a good value at $400 though, so using that as a justification for the price doesn't work. Telling you that instead of having an overcooked rancid steak you can have a steaming turd instead doesn't make the steak any better.

 

[eek2121]

Yeah, seriously. AMD pretty much HAD to list the 7800 XT at $500 because of the 6800XTs out there (and 6950s @ $630 - though with supply running out they are increasing in price)**. Partner custom cards will be more, but prices will likely drop quite a bit for the 'Black Friday' selling season.


**btw, who are the yahoos that buy 6950s for $800+??

AMD tried to “ play it safe” and “focus on margins” and it bit them.

If they had simply done this:

7700 XT $449 -> 7600 XT $479 = RTX 4060ti 16gb $499
7800 XT $499 -> 7700 $579 = RTX 4070 $599
7900 XT $899-> 7700 XT $779 = RTX 4070 Ti $799
7900 XTX $999 -> 7800 XT $999 = RTX 4080 $1,199

They would lose very little and gain a ton of mindshare and positive reviews. At those price brackets, AMD wins nearly every time except in perf/watt. You will notice margins are higher for most SKUs, but due to model naming changes, the stack looks both impressive compared to previous gen, and all of the parts compete with the mentioned NVIDIA offerings.

Isn’t it funny how playing with model numbers changes everything? They could also shove the GRE in there somewhere. I wish it had been a part of the stack.

I suspect they will shift things down for the RDNA4 release.

 

[jpiniero]

The 4060 Ti isn't a good value at $400 though, so using that as a justification for the price doesn't work.

All the more reason to think that the price should stick provided that AMD keeps 7700 XT supply realistic. nVidia's not going to cut the price of the 4060 Ti 16 GB to $449.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Genshin Impact uses FSR2 as AA solution when using rendering scale >=1. Looks worse than SMAA + >1 resolution scale especially in motion IMO. Not sure what version they are using though.

They recommend RTX 3000 and RDNA2 for FSR3 while RDNA1 and RTX 2000 are supported. It's unsure if it even works with older hardware. Probably not 980 Ti since it had rather meh async compute.

-Sounds like they've done some work on the SS portion of FSR as well so hopefully native AA looks or works better than it did in Genshin (although I haven't played the game, not sure how bad the difference is).

I did read that about support, and it will be interesting so either have someone test it across a broad range of older cards and to try it out on my 980ti. I suspect it will still work, but won't boost frames enough to offset the lag it will introduce.

Fun times for all the tech sites for sure...

 

[Heartbreaker]

I think NVidia is going to have to cut prices on the 4060 Ti because even if AMD gets no performance gains over the 6800 XT, this is still going to stomp both variants of the 4060 Ti.

I don't think so.

16 GB 4060 Ti doesn't enter the picture. NVidia and partners don't care at all about 16 GB, 4060 Ti. Only a few models seem to exist and those are barely in stock. It's an irrelevant card for the most part. NVidia seems happy to have it fail, so they can say "we tried high VRAM and no one bought it". No one, not buyers, not AIBs, and not NVidia seem interested in this card, so competition isn't going to drive them to do anything.

So it's really about the $400 8GB 4060 Ti vs $450 7700 XT. But the NVidia cards is already $50 less, so I don't see NVidia moved to do anything at all. Remember when the slower and more expensive RTX 3050 was outselling the faster and cheaper RX 6600? What possible pressure do you think the more expensive 7700 XT is going to put on NVidia to lower the already cheaper 4060 Ti, pricing? If the 7700XT was the same price there might be a case, but not at these prices.

So no I don't see that NVidia will feel any pressure to cut 4060 Ti prices at all.

OTOH 7800XT is better position offering more performance for $100 less, so if there is a cut needed, $50 off the 4070 could really protect a card they seem to care about, but they probably won't.

Of course if they really wanted to stab AMD in the heart, they would release a just slightly improved 4070 Super, for $550... being close in price and slight above 7800 XT performance right after. That would cut off the oxygen supply, but again, they won't.

 

[DamZe]

So it's really about the $400 8GB 4060 Ti vs $450 7700 XT. But the NVidia cards is already $50 less, so I don't see NVidia moved to do anything at all. Remember when the slower and more expensive RTX 3050 was outselling the faster and cheaper RX 6600? What possible pressure do you think the more expensive 7700 XT is going to put on NVidia to lower the already cheaper 4060 Ti, pricing? If the 7700XT was the same price there might be a case, but not at these prices.I

I think that the 12GB framebuffer will be of high importance this time around for people looking at getting the RTX 4060Ti or 7700XT.
RTX 3050 and RX 6600 were both 8GB cards, but now that 8GB ain't looking too good no more.

 

[maddie]

All the more reason to think that the price should stick provided that AMD keeps 7700 XT supply realistic. nVidia's not going to cut the price of the 4060 Ti 16 GB to $449.

Let's see how this prediction unfolds.

 

[jpiniero]

Let's see how this prediction unfolds.

I am assuming they have already ended production of it.

 

[Ajay]

I think that the 12GB framebuffer will be of high importance this time around for people looking at getting the RTX 4060Ti or 7700XT.
RTX 3050 and RX 6600 were both 8GB cards, but now that 8GB ain't looking too good no more.

Yeah, seems like 12GB is fine for 1440p. WQHD and 4k displays are going to be a problem going forward with newer AAA titles.

 

[nOOky]

The 7800XT looks tempting to me. My old Radeon Vega 64LC is dying, and this would be more than twice as fast. I plan to upgrade my CPU/MOBO around Christmas when I get my bonus and go to Windows 11 as well. I play at 3440 x 1440.

 

[darkswordsman17]

The 7800XT looks tempting to me. My old Radeon Vega 64LC is dying, and this would be more than twice as fast. I plan to upgrade my CPU/MOBO around Christmas when I get my bonus and go to Windows 11 as well. I play at 3440 x 1440.

Yeah, it looks pretty compelling, and I'm similar, although since I'll be looking at a total upgrade, I'll probably hold off for holiday sales. I'm coming from something much older and was in the process of making a change to something newer (was going to go eGPU), but am changing on that as its just not where it needs to be so am re-evaluating. Now debating on if I'll put it off longer and see what the future brings for what I was considering (USB4 Gen 2 should make eGPU much more viable), and go with a 7940 based system for now, which when paired with FSR might make the games I play viable enough and I can keep waiting. I don't really game enough that I couldn't hold off longer still and not sure that will change soon.

The outright performance looks like it should be good enough (I'll be catching up on quite a few games), mixed with DP 2.1, AV1 decode and encode means it should make it be useful for a long time. FSR could also help with that. Not sure if the rumors about RDNA4 make me less or more likely to go with a 7800XT, as it sounds like that's roughly what market RDNA4 is focused on, so maybe it'll be quite an upgrade, although I'd guess if it is it'll maybe be on efficiency and ray-tracing, which probably wouldn't be compelling enough for me.