AMD 65nm parts out in June???

[Duvie]

http://www.fabtech.org/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=1387&Itemid=2

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=30662


Pure speculation ofcourse considering the sources...

I also believe if the June date is true it will be OPterons first then fall down to desktops...

Lets hope they have more up their sleeve then DDR2 800 and ramp up of speed....

I dont care if they are faster then Conroe, but be in the ballpark ppl...I will buy the best but this lopsided crap makes for a dull board (IE like INtels offerings over the last year)....Bored out of my mind I had to go to dualie system...

 

[JumpingJack]

They would build more confidence if they actually show a working part.

 

[Hard Ball]

we'll see about this 65nm business, only time will tell.

In the mean time:
DUVIE for mod!!

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: JumpingJack
They would build more confidence if they actually show a working part.

I agree!!!!

Not sure what to make of that. It did say they have been showing them behind close doors...maybe we may get some specs those...TDP and things like that...


You have to admit June 06 is sounding better then late 06 to early 07.....They clearly wont compete with the Conroe unless they have somehting more competitive...Cause 20% deficits is going to take 20% more speed then 2.8ghz and 90nm wont do it....

They would need 3.4ghz if they did nothing else....So this may be more about closing the gap a bit and not taking the beating it looks like they are going to take...

 

[JumpingJack]

Originally posted by: Duvie

Originally posted by: JumpingJack
They would build more confidence if they actually show a working part.

I agree!!!!

Not sure what to make of that. It did say they have been showing them behind close doors...maybe we may get some specs those...TDP and things like that...


You have to admit June 06 is sounding better then late 06 to early 07.....They clearly wont compete with the Conroe unless they have somehting more competitive...Cause 20% deficits is going to take 20% more speed then 2.8ghz and 90nm wont do it....

They would need 3.4ghz if they did nothing else....So this may be more about closing the gap a bit and not taking the beating it looks like they are going to take...

Precisely, you are and I are on the same page.... typically CPU makers like to strut their stuff several months before release or at the minimum show off working SRAM to say "Hey, look at this 65 nm is up and healthy", so far no news and this is very worrisome. The shin-dig next week had better give good details.

 

[BrownTown]

production in June '06 means you won't be able to buy anything till at least Q4 06, it takes time to get enough parts for a launch, and to validate then and everything. And since AMD itself says no 65nm on desktops till 2007 it will only be going into the server arena which is where AMD hopes to make its stand. Desktop 65nm is not AMDs priority, they want servers first, then notebooks. From what AMD itself said they are going to ceede the desktop space to Intel when Conroe comes out and fight in the server world where their parts scale much better then Intels becasue they don't have a crappy FSB.

In other words: by the end of this year Intel will likely dominate AMD in notebooks, be gaining back lost marketshare in desktops, but losing marketshare in the server department, though they may just use revenue from the other sectors to undersell AMD.

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: BrownTown
production in June '06 means you won't be able to buy anything till at least Q4 06, it takes time to get enough parts for a launch, and to validate then and everything. And since AMD itself says no 65nm on desktops till 2007 it will only be going into the server arena which is where AMD hopes to make its stand. Desktop 65nm is not AMDs priority, they want servers first, then notebooks. From what AMD itself said they are going to ceede the desktop space to Intel when Conroe comes out and fight in the server world where their parts scale much better then Intels becasue they don't have a crappy FSB.

In other words: by the end of this year Intel will likely dominate AMD in notebooks, be gaining back lost marketshare in desktops, but losing marketshare in the server department, though they may just use revenue from the other sectors to undersell AMD.

Agreed....

I wasn't saying out in june as being able to purchase though....

I think since they have 65nm parts now maybe not even from this supplemental plant the validation process will have begun....Unless each chip needs to go through a validation process that long...

I dont think so though...

What is the time it takes from fab to packaging plant??? I have gotten chips as early as 4-6 weeks from the date on the IHS...

I would be happy if they got the opteron lineup out in early Q4 06 in the more lucrative server market and then first of the year come out with 65nm desktop parts...

It is inevitable they will regain desktop marketshare, hold and build on mobile marketshare, and likely lose a little more on business/server markets...

 

[RichUK]

I think or i hope AMD will introduce 65nm with a new core design. There have been talks of K8L but the original sources pointed towards the server market. Maybe this new core design will tier down to the consumer level products as well as being in the corporate market.

I agree with Browntown. I did also read that AMD?s focus was on server parts and also mobile technology. I think the fight back on Conroe will be a new core with 65nm. Then perhaps at this transition point Opterons will be moving on to quad core designs.

Also it has not been publicly announced whether AM2 will indeed support quad cores or not, if it does not then this will soon be a dead socket for future tech just like Socket 754. Perhaps AMD?s intention with AM2 is to simply migrate over and mature the DDR2 platform in wake for its new core design, and to also have yet another spin on the K8 core to bring in more revenue. Possibly a new socket will arise in a short time after for the new core design and for future quad cores to be housed.

It has already been publicly announced by AMD that Socket F (1207 pined LGA socket), will be the first socket to support single, dual and quad cores all on the same socket. There is a big difference in design with future expansion on this LGA socket against the new AM2's socket 940.

I believe socket F will have future support for faster HT Link speeds, which will benefit multiple processor platforms, quad cores, and possibly a quad memory controller setup.

 

[Madwand1]

I don't see why AMD would bring a quad core to their mainstream/consumer/enthusiast line AM2. If you're serious about that, and want a more long-term stable socket, then the arrows would point to the new server socket F/1207.

 

[Hard Ball]

I will bet that AM3 socket is going to have 1206 count LGA or something close to it; the AM2 charade coming on the heels of Socket F almost perfectly mirror the difference between S940 and S754, and with the eventual result of AMD being forced to move to S939.

 

[coldpower27]

Originally posted by: BrownTown
production in June '06 means you won't be able to buy anything till at least Q4 06, it takes time to get enough parts for a launch, and to validate then and everything. And since AMD itself says no 65nm on desktops till 2007 it will only be going into the server arena which is where AMD hopes to make its stand. Desktop 65nm is not AMDs priority, they want servers first, then notebooks. From what AMD itself said they are going to ceede the desktop space to Intel when Conroe comes out and fight in the server world where their parts scale much better then Intels becasue they don't have a crappy FSB.

In other words: by the end of this year Intel will likely dominate AMD in notebooks, be gaining back lost marketshare in desktops, but losing marketshare in the server department, though they may just use revenue from the other sectors to undersell AMD.

In the server space the only potential area that I see that will have a possible problem is in the Xeon MP space the Xeon DP space is fine with the Dual Independent Bus for each Woodcrest processor.

 

[BrownTown]

yeah, especially seeing as the MP space will still be Netburst until 2007