AMD 65nm and 45nm

[Viditor]

Inquirer Article

"According to Toralf Gueldner, director of production at AMD's Dresden fabs, the company has been able to produce 65 nm products since June. This has been followed by 'full flow' this month [September 2006] and will be followed by serious 65 nm shipments in October"

"Gueldner also revealed that AMD had already created its first 45 nm test chips"

 

[theprodigalrebel]

hurray?

 

[StrangerGuy]

AMD: "Fvck Conroe, fvck performance. We gotta push these 65nm chips as much as we can to Dell!"

 

[Lonyo]

Originally posted by: StrangerGuy
AMD: "Fvck Conroe, fvck performance. We gotta push these 65nm chips as much as we can to Dell!"

....

 

[bongsteen]

holy crap!!!

 

[Bobthelost]

Good stuff, roll on the 65nm EE chips and i might upgrade.

 

[TanisHalfElven]

Originally posted by: Viditor
Inquirer Article

"According to Toralf Gueldner, director of production at AMD's Dresden fabs, the company has been able to produce 65 nm products since June. This has been followed by 'full flow' this month [September 2006] and will be followed by serious 65 nm shipments in October"

"Gueldner also revealed that AMD had already created its first 45 nm test chips"

yaya now we can fianlly which architecture can clock the highest.
dreams about s939 k8 ant 65nm (or better yet at 45)

 

[zsdersw]

Is this not what was expected?

 

[Munky]

I don't think they'll be making any 65nm s939 chips. Which is too bad, because a x2 3800 that does 3ghz on average would be a tough deal to pass up.

 

[Regs]

I think 3 GHz with a better branch predictor, low latency L2 cache, and better out of order processing could give AMD a better chance to catch up to the Conroe. We will see.

AMD did state that they'll be demonstrating the Quad Core Solution of K8L at the end of the year.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Originally posted by: zsdersw
Is this not what was expected?

I was under the impression that we wouldn't see 65nm parts from AMD until Nov/Dec. Instead we get them in October. That's pretty good for AMD; they really needed to kick things into gear.

Interestingly enough, this really does help their deal with Dell. A mature 65nm process means more procs per die which helps them to feed Dell's hunger for chips. 45nm will help even more, but that won't come until a ways down the road.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: Regs
I think 3 GHz with a better branch predictor, low latency L2 cache, and better out of order processing could give AMD a better chance to catch up to the Conroe. We will see.

AMD did state that they'll be demonstrating the Quad Core Solution of K8L at the end of the year.

We will see but I think it's gonna take something more than just a 65nm CPU from AMD.

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: DrMrLordX

Originally posted by: zsdersw
Is this not what was expected?

I was under the impression that we wouldn't see 65nm parts from AMD until Nov/Dec. Instead we get them in October.

That's exactly correct...We should see 65nm parts in time for Xmas now.
Also, the fact that they have sample 45nm parts already confirms their release schedule of the end of 2007.

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: Regs
I think 3 GHz with a better branch predictor, low latency L2 cache, and better out of order processing could give AMD a better chance to catch up to the Conroe. We will see.

AMD did state that they'll be demonstrating the Quad Core Solution of K8L at the end of the year.

Personally I think it will let AMD sail right past Conroe, but as you say...we will see.

I expect a Quad core demo, but release isn't until Q2 (according to the same article).

 

[myocardia]

I don't see how moving to the 65nm process will be that much of an improvement for the Athlons, even if they make a much smoother transition than Intel did, which is unlikely, IMO. I believe that AMD thought that the C2D was going to along the lines of Intel's last two "launches", and not be what it's turned out to be, and so they just sat on their laurels, and raked in the profits.

Of course, I'm hoping that I'm wrong (how often do you hear anyone say that?), and AMD will at least catch C2D in performance, because the only time we, as consumers, benefit, is when both companies have similar performing products. And that applies to anything, not just processors.

 

[Soulkeeper]

Intel is making a lot more money also by having 65nm out, i think this is one of the biggest factors as it is very difficult for AMD to compete on price/performance while using 90nm

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Viditor
Personally I think it will let AMD sail right past Conroe, but as you say...we will see.

I should hope that K8L will sail past Conroe. 4 cores better beat 2

But don't fret, Kentsfield is already on the scene.

I expect a Quad core demo, but release isn't until Q2 (according to the same article).

I personally find this AMD completing 45nm samples BS. They've only recently begun to prepare for any sizeable deployment of 65nm chips.

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Viditor
Personally I think it will let AMD sail right past Conroe, but as you say...we will see.

I should hope that K8L will sail past Conroe. 4 cores better beat 2

But don't fret, Kentsfield is already on the scene.

I expect a Quad core demo, but release isn't until Q2 (according to the same article).

I personally find this AMD completing 45nm samples BS. They've only recently begun to prepare for any sizeable deployment of 65nm chips.

K8L isn't just 4 cores, it's a refined architecture. I think that dual core K8L will sail past Conroe, and Kentsfield even more so (because it's an MCM rather than a quadcore native).

As to 45nm, I don't understand why you think AMD deciding to delay 65nm production has anything to do with their releasing 45nm on time at the end of next year...
AMD demonstrated working 65nm chips a year ago next month...

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: myocardia
I don't see how moving to the 65nm process will be that much of an improvement for the Athlons, even if they make a much smoother transition than Intel did, which is unlikely, IMO. I believe that AMD thought that the C2D was going to along the lines of Intel's last two "launches", and not be what it's turned out to be, and so they just sat on their laurels, and raked in the profits.

Of course, I'm hoping that I'm wrong (how often do you hear anyone say that?), and AMD will at least catch C2D in performance, because the only time we, as consumers, benefit, is when both companies have similar performing products. And that applies to anything, not just processors.

Some questions...
1. Don't you think that delaying volume production for 6 months has allowed AMD to improve their 65nm process over Intel's?
2. As Intel was able to drastically reduce their power usage and increase clockspeed at the same time when they wen to 65nm, do you think AMD won't be able to do the same?
3. AMD's 90nm launch was FAR smoother than Intel's (after delaying for the same length of time)...is there a reason that you think this time will be different?

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: Soulkeeper
Intel is making a lot more money also by having 65nm out, i think this is one of the biggest factors as it is very difficult for AMD to compete on price/performance while using 90nm

I would like to ask how you know that? I haven't seen any data to support your (fairly common) assumption, and I research for exactly that point almost every day...

 

[zsdersw]

Hmm.. I wonder if Viditor said that Conroe would sail right past K8. I don't think he did.. and yet, he expects K8L to sail right past Conroe. Interesting... but not totally unexpected from AMD's chief advocate.

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: zsdersw
Hmm.. I wonder if Viditor said that Conroe would sail right past K8. I don't think he did.. and yet, he expects K8L to sail right past Conroe. Interesting... but not totally unexpected from AMD's chief advocate.

Actually, I said that if it was as good as it appeared on paper, it would be significantly better...and just as I said before, we must wait and see. I will now remove those words you placed in my mouth...

 

[zsdersw]

What words did I put in your mouth? You're the one who said:

I think that dual core K8L will sail past Conroe

But kudos for at least attempting to be objective about the situation.

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: zsdersw
What words did I put in your mouth?

For your edification...

I wonder if Viditor said that Conroe would sail right past K8. I don't think he did..

Edit: Z, I sense that you are desperately trying to paint me as some rabid AMD fanbois (though most here have seen differently), but it would be much more productive if you could get past your personal agenda and contribute something constructive...
While I have often admitted to an AMD bias, I certainly have pointed out fallacies in the other direction as well.

 

[zsdersw]

That's not putting words in your mouth.

I don't think you're a "rabid AMD fanboy".