imported_Otter
Member
Valkerie, if you're still reading this thread, I think the signal to noise ratio might improve if you told us exactly what you're going to do with your new computer.
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AMD 64? or Intel 32?
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LOL, calling "AMD rulez" me-too messages "posts" would be an insult to real posters.
every once in a while when i see something on cpu uarch/circuits or CS worth posting on, i'll add my 2 cents. but since 99% of posts here are fanboi circle-jerkers getting it on, the only thing i can do is troll. HAHAHA.
sadly i have been leaning tword not helping people in the amd circle jerks as well, you cant argue the chipset problems without the "My AMD-64 runs fine you cant build PC LOLOLOLOL!!!!!" posts coming at you full force.
I prefer intel for my personal systems still, but i do build a LOT of Nforce4/AMD-64 systems for gamers.
This thread is going nowhere fast. How many variants of AMD v. Intc thread flame wars can there be???? The world may never know! 😉
If laughter is the best medicine, then that was a placebo Rich 😛
Chode Messiah
Golden Member
If you look around, you'll find a thread explaining how it takes a 5.2ghz P4 to match a 2.6ghz AMD FX-55.(above the Athlon 4000+ if u didn't know)
Jeff7181
Lifer
Your decision should have nothing to do with 64-bit vs. 32-bit. It should have to do with Athlon 64 vs. Pentium 4. There IS a difference in those two decisions.
First... the Pentium 4 6x0 chips are 64-bit just like the Athlon 64.
Second... 64-bit vs. 32-bit has nothing to do with speed. The two main things that are related to having 64 bits vs. 32 bits are dynamic range and a larger memory address space. Neither of which you should be concerned about in the least at this point.
Third... The Athlon 64 is not faster than the Pentium 4 because it's 64 bit. It's faster because the external bus (Hyper Transport) is lower latency than Intel's 800 MHz FSB... because it has an on die memory controller which makes memory latency very low compared to Pentium 4's... and because its shorter, wider pipeline is better suited to the majority of tasks than the Pentium 4's longer, narrower pipeline.
First... the Pentium 4 6x0 chips are 64-bit just like the Athlon 64.
Second... 64-bit vs. 32-bit has nothing to do with speed. The two main things that are related to having 64 bits vs. 32 bits are dynamic range and a larger memory address space. Neither of which you should be concerned about in the least at this point.
Third... The Athlon 64 is not faster than the Pentium 4 because it's 64 bit. It's faster because the external bus (Hyper Transport) is lower latency than Intel's 800 MHz FSB... because it has an on die memory controller which makes memory latency very low compared to Pentium 4's... and because its shorter, wider pipeline is better suited to the majority of tasks than the Pentium 4's longer, narrower pipeline.
Sentential
Senior member
<shug> Every now and then you get a bad apple. I still dont know what was up with that board. Oh well. This P5WD2 is much better
I also have had lots of problems with intel system, oh god I really hate them, but those are more CPU HEAT problems with the crappy pressHOT. In the other hand the A64 system I have built have been perfectly stable almost all the time, and worked with no problems with the components out of the box.
That comes down to knowing what youre doing...
One should do a lot of research before building a system, Knowing that you are buying one of the hottest CPUs on the retail market, you should be perpared with proper case cooling and proper cpu cooling. (unfortunately, Intels retail heatsink is NOT proper cpu cooling).
It's Valkerie. Thanks guys.
Thank you for those of you who actually contributed as far as giving positive feedback and opinions.
Someone asked what I was doing with the comp, I just want quick office aps running at high priority for the low-cost bucks, and nothing less than on-demand office aps. Maybe some games, but nothing intense like blistering UT2004 framerates.
What is this, a gang of "Intel lovers" VS "AMD lovers" - thank you defenders, but for the offenders, take a chill pill, it's not the end of the world.
You know, for those who posted, "sick and tired of explaining" - no one asked you to even post your trash in the first place. And because this topic of 32-bit vs 64-bit CPU's is brought up so much, it's good to be at the top of the list since 32-bit architecture is moving to 64-bit computing.
Again, thank you for those of you who helped contribute to educating. Just because you have credentials, it doens't make you a decent person, everyone is trying to learn (but it doesn't give the learned any right to scorn on anyone). *too bad your parents failed you?
Thank you for those of you who actually contributed as far as giving positive feedback and opinions.
Someone asked what I was doing with the comp, I just want quick office aps running at high priority for the low-cost bucks, and nothing less than on-demand office aps. Maybe some games, but nothing intense like blistering UT2004 framerates.
What is this, a gang of "Intel lovers" VS "AMD lovers" - thank you defenders, but for the offenders, take a chill pill, it's not the end of the world.
You know, for those who posted, "sick and tired of explaining" - no one asked you to even post your trash in the first place. And because this topic of 32-bit vs 64-bit CPU's is brought up so much, it's good to be at the top of the list since 32-bit architecture is moving to 64-bit computing.
Again, thank you for those of you who helped contribute to educating. Just because you have credentials, it doens't make you a decent person, everyone is trying to learn (but it doesn't give the learned any right to scorn on anyone). *too bad your parents failed you?
Go away..
DDR-2 why?Its not needed yet. PCI-E isnt that big of a deal yet.. AGP cards will already be made yet again in next generation cards..
At least with AMD i can pop in a X2 that will wipe the floor with Intel's 8xx series.. Without spending money on DDR-2 and being forced into an expensive MOBO. Obviously AMD's prices are higher, and rightfully so. They will eventually fall, and hopefully AMD creates a dual 1.8 or /2.0 solution so we don't have to hear this bitching about pricing..
And you obviously don't know WHAT you are talking about when basing performance off of 3dmark.
:Q
HA!
A couple quick looks at the benchmarks prove you wrong..
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2410&p=3
or http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=28&threadid=1587471&enterthread=y
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