Think you kinda got it backwards. Selling more Rome makes it easier for people to stay with Intel. If there really is a situation where customers are being sticks-in-the-mud and saying "we will buy Rome, not Milan!" then it means AMD has done a poor job of getting QS where they need to go. That is what I mean.
I'm a little concerned about AMD coming out and stating that they'll continue Rome deliveries.
I think we can't generalize - some part of the industry wants the new stuff straight away, others want the best that is known to be reliable.Think you kinda got it backwards. Selling more Rome makes it easier for people to stay with Intel. If there really is a situation where customers are being sticks-in-the-mud and saying "we will buy Rome, not Milan!" then it means AMD has done a poor job of getting QS where they need to go. That is what I mean.
Systems from them, CPUs directly from Amazon/newegg and ebay. And motherboards as well. I have 5 EPYC systems, CPUs all from ebay, memory and motherboard from amazon.guys just pointing out you can buy gen 1 EPYC from dell/hp/cisco today...........
not sure exactly what some people expect here......
Not continuing Rome deliveries would lead to unexpected scenarios. That is not what you want to do.
A little wishful thinking, a little informed choice at the time, but you hit a jackpot. By June 2017 there were good rumblings about Zen. Then the November leak and December reveal the hype is starting to be believed.I bought 5k shares back when they were trading at 2.07 a pop... It's been a good ride. Overvalued right now but a great ride.
June 2016, zen was released in february 2017A little wishful thinking, a little informed choice at the time, but you hit a jackpot. By June 2017 there were good rumblings about Zen. Then the November leak and December reveal the hype is starting to be believed.
I think we can't generalize - some part of the industry wants the new stuff straight away, others want the best that is known to be reliable.
Possibly because they are competing for the same limited wafers?
AMD used the term ‘7nm+’ when referring to products beyond the first iteration of 7nm. AMD has today clarified to us that this does not mean they are using TSMC’s N7+ process node for those items.
From what I understand, TSMC's 7nm lines are tooled for N7, N7P, and N6. N7+ comes from different lines. There should not be a competition between the two for wafers unless AMD has some kind of oddball either/or arrangement with TSMC.
I still don't get it whyy is everybody discarding the possibility that AMD is using all available 7nm+ wafers they get and building rome on 7nm in addition to that (on lines not supporting 7nm+).
Say hi to mine for me please, I've lost it somewhere down there.Yeah, that. My mind is going down the drain.
Is Zen2 definitely N7 and Zen3 N7+? [not AMD PR nomenclature, but TSMC nomenclature]
(especially considering the recent speed bump seen on the desktop Zen2 parts)
7+ uses EUV but IIRC it's only on a couple layers. The rest of the equipment in the pipeline is presumably the same as regular 7.
Maybe it's the kind of thing where they built an additional production line that can do either 7 or 7+.