Amazon To Not Build 2nd HQ in New York

[paperfist]

Play Stupid Games - Win stupid prizes

I'm not exactly in favor of states offering tax advantages - but it is what it is and states have to compete with one another. Personally I'm in favor of outlawing tax advantages to specific companies - but that's a different discussion. New York and their citizens are god awfully fucking dumb.




https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/14/ama...fter-mounting-opposition-reuters-reports.html

Don't you mean just this one citizen?

 

[fskimospy]

This is exactly what I said. The people with higher paying jobs are the people who have those higher cost apartments and they don’t want more of them built because nothing is cheap without reason. The law of real estate is location location location which tells us location matters and that it is all about desirability and what people think of as desirable is room to breathe. A similar principle applies to why people put locks on their doors or farmers have cats in their barns.

People were not opposing Amazon because they thought it would result in more homebuilding, they were opposing it because they thought it would make housing even more scarce.

What people really want in NYC, just like in California, is housing they can afford. Room to breathe sounds nice I'm sure, but you know what I bet sounds a lot nicer to most people? Being able to pay the rent. Then again when they become homeless I guess they will have all the fresh air to breathe they want! A win-win!

 

[Vic]

The educated and experienced processional workforce. You have managers with enterprise experience, engineers, developers, etc. etc. etc.

That's unique to just a few places in the country.

I get that part. It's just that they're not that unique or so few.

 

[realibrad]

People were not opposing Amazon because they thought it would result in more homebuilding, they were opposing it because they thought it would make housing even more scarce.

What people really want in NYC, just like in California, is housing they can afford. Room to breathe sounds nice I'm sure, but you know what I bet sounds a lot nicer to most people? Being able to pay the rent. Then again when they become homeless I guess they will have all the fresh air to breathe they want! A win-win!

This really seems analogous to immigration. You want to let people in, but, there will be an impact. People in NY want to keep people out because its too crowded. What that really means is, I don't like having to deal with the number of people already here, so I don't want even more to come in.

Even in a place like NY you see the same thing happening that you see at the southern border states. *Immigration brings more demand for the things that I compete for so keep them out.

 

[Jimzz]

Really no idea what that even means. How many jobs, what is their avg wage? Adding on another 100 15 dollar an hour job at a warehouse in Brooklyn is not the same as the 150k\year jobs they were to add at this HQ2. To me it is pretty simple. Queens lost out short and long term.

Amazon said they will grow their teams, not warehouses. That is going to be their white collar jobs. So average will salary probably 6 figures+. Not as many of course as a new HQ but still growing.

"The company said it will continue to grow the teams it already has in Staten Island, Brooklyn and Manhattan."

 

[feralkid]

Don't you mean London? ......oh wait, lol. NVM, carry on.

Maybe not for long if Brexit breaks bad.

Or maybe that was your point.
Sorry, my puzzler hurts a bit today.

 

[realibrad]

This really seems analogous to immigration. You want to let people in, but, there will be an impact. People in NY want to keep people out because its too crowded. What that really means is, I don't like having to deal with the number of people already here, so I don't want even more to come in.

Even in a place like NY you see the same thing happening that you see at the southern border states. *Immigration brings more demand for the things that I compete for so keep them out.

@ivwshane, you are aware that I am making a pro immigration argument here right? Not sure what you are downvoting.

 

[theeedude]

I mentioned this at the beginning of the post - this isn't about tax advantages for individual corporations. That's an entirely separate discussion - and it's one that I agree needs to be outlawed to some degree.

You act like you guys won and that Amazon will have to go somewhere else and pay their taxes in full. They won't.

They won't be getting a subsidy from NY, and they'll still hire there, assuming they don't want lose NY tech talent to competitors. It will be regular organic growth, as it should be.

 

[Starbuck1975]

The city isn't 'giving' $3 billion to Amazon, they are giving them $3 billion in tax breaks. The only way the city is out money is if another business would be providing similar revenues in that location. This seems unlikely.

As for the subways, the great part about Amazon being in LIC (and why the city is trying to promote development over there generally) is that it would run counter to the general subway traffic flow during peak times as people wouldn't be going into Manhattan in the morning/out in the evening. This was something the city specifically thought about, so it would basically just be soaking up unused counter-cyclical subway capacity.

There is also the possibility that the Amazon HQ would accelerate the gentrification of LIC. You’re going to see the work/live complexes that millenials tend to like. Tight Ikea ready studio apartments within walking distance of a Soul Cycle, vegan juice bar and an organic free range antibiotic free sustainable gluten free frosting free sprinkles free cupcake shop that donates $1 of every purchase to saving endangered albino sewer rats.

 

[fskimospy]

There is also the possibility that the Amazon HQ would accelerate the gentrification of LIC. You’re going to see the work/live complexes that millenials tend to like. Tight Ikea ready studio apartments within walking distance of a Soul Cycle, vegan juice bar and an organic free range antibiotic free sustainable gluten free frosting free sprinkles free cupcake shop that donates $1 of every purchase to saving endangered albino sewer rats.

If people don't like gentrification there's a really good way to stop it: build more houses.

Gentrifiers don't move to poorer neighborhoods because they're poverty tourists, they move to them because they were priced out of wherever they used to live. When I moved to Prospect Lefferts Gardens I was absolutely a gentrifier - the neighborhood was about 90% black and hispanic and pretty poor. Why did I move there? Because that's what I could afford. I wasn't trying to push out poorer people, although I'm sure that's what happened. What else was I supposed to do though?

 

[realibrad]

If people don't like gentrification there's a really good way to stop it: build more houses.

Gentrifiers don't move to poorer neighborhoods because they're poverty tourists, they move to them because they were priced out of wherever they used to live. When I moved to Prospect Lefferts Gardens I was absolutely a gentrifier - the neighborhood was about 90% black and hispanic and pretty poor. Why did I move there? Because that's what I could afford. I wasn't trying to push out poorer people, although I'm sure that's what happened. What else was I supposed to do though?

Suffer and not take advantage, or, so goes the argument.

 

[theeedude]

If people don't like gentrification there's a really good way to stop it: build more houses.
Gentrifiers don't move to poorer neighborhoods because they're poverty tourists, they move to them because they were priced out of wherever they used to live. When I moved to Prospect Lefferts Gardens I was absolutely a gentrifier - the neighborhood was about 90% black and hispanic and pretty poor. Why did I move there? Because that's what I could afford. I wasn't trying to push out poorer people, although I'm sure that's what happened. What else was I supposed to do though?

You should also have asked for a tax subsidy from them for gentrifying them out.

 

[Starbuck1975]

If people don't like gentrification there's a really good way to stop it: build more houses.

Gentrifiers don't move to poorer neighborhoods because they're poverty tourists, they move to them because they were priced out of wherever they used to live. When I moved to Prospect Lefferts Gardens I was absolutely a gentrifier - the neighborhood was about 90% black and hispanic and pretty poor. Why did I move there? Because that's what I could afford. I wasn't trying to push out poorer people, although I'm sure that's what happened. What else was I supposed to do though?

Commute 3 hours a day? NY is a fascinating study of everything wrong with our society. My parents’ generation fled NYC as it slid into decline in the 70s, with office parks and shopping malls built in the suburbs to meet their needs because no one wanted to commute into the city anymore. Now, NYC is an attractive place to live, and those suburban office parks and malls are falling into decline, with urban working class communities getting pushed further and further out.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Commute 3 hours a day? NY is a fascinating study of everything wrong with our society. My parents’ generation fled NYC as it slid into decline in the 70s, with office parks and shopping malls built in the suburbs to meet their needs because no one wanted to commute into the city anymore. Now, NYC is an attractive place to live, and those suburban office parks and malls are falling into decline, with urban working class communities getting pushed further and further out.

Yeah, but those stupid kids grow up some-day and realize that living in an apartment that is on-top of an outlet mall isn't where an intelligent person lives. Then they head to suburbs like everyone else - presuming that they get out of their retard millennial phase.


...Which is also coincidentally when they start to realize that having half your paycheck going to taxes sucks balls... You know... when you're actually the one paying it instead of asking for it.

 

[fskimospy]

Yeah, but those stupid kids grow up some-day and realize that living in an apartment that is on-top of an outlet mall isn't where an intelligent person lives. Then they head to suburbs like everyone else - presuming that they get out of their retard millennial phase.

...Which is also coincidentally when they start to realize that having half your paycheck going to taxes sucks balls... You know... when you're actually the one paying it instead of asking for it.

Then why exactly does demand continue to skyrocket to live in these areas? There's a reason they are so expensive, it's because there's overwhelming demand by the people with money to pay for it.

I mean I pay plenty of taxes and my place isn't particularly large. I'm also not that young anymore but I would shoot myself if I lived in the suburbs. Everyone's different!

 

[Blackjack200]

Outlet malls are in the suburbs though??

 

[zinfamous]

Maybe not for long if Brexit breaks bad.

Or maybe that was your point.
Sorry, my puzzler hurts a bit today.

yep, that's the one.

 

[Genx87]

@ivwshane, you are aware that I am making a pro immigration argument here right? Not sure what you are downvoting.

Why do you care if that troll down votes you?

 

[dyna]

This should forever be known in the history books as "Cortez's Folly."

 

[Moonbeam]

If people don't like gentrification there's a really good way to stop it: build more houses.

Gentrifiers don't move to poorer neighborhoods because they're poverty tourists, they move to them because they were priced out of wherever they used to live. When I moved to Prospect Lefferts Gardens I was absolutely a gentrifier - the neighborhood was about 90% black and hispanic and pretty poor. Why did I move there? Because that's what I could afford. I wasn't trying to push out poorer people, although I'm sure that's what happened. What else was I supposed to do though?

Wow! And to think I was the one arguing that humans do what humans do.

 

[realibrad]

Why do you care if that troll down votes you?

To understand why. I'm curious as to his reason. I don't question every down vote, but, in this case I figured he would support pro immigration arguments.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

To understand why. I'm curious as to his reason. I don't question every down vote, but, in this case I figured he would support pro immigration arguments.

It doesn't identify with his overall agenda - so he is quick to throw the dirty brownies under the bus.

 

[realibrad]

It doesn't identify with his overall agenda - so he is quick to throw the dirty brownies under the bus.

And... I'm hungry.

 

[Moonbeam]

Why do you care if that troll down votes you?

I personally DON"T care beyond saying that people who do that without an argument against what they are down voting instead of the down voting are not much else besides shit sniping moral cowards as well as lazy fucks. But it's also all too easy to hit that button by mistake.

 

[blackangst1]

Good job AOC for denying 20,000+ jobs to YOUR district. Good job. Quite a win.