Amazon selling "A Pedophile's Guide"

[frostedflakes]

Something about this seems to be a tongue and cheek or perhaps satirical (if even in poor taste, but still, a lot of funny satire is done in poor taste).

That was my gut instinct as well. Satire or a social experiment or something like that. Or maybe a get rich quick scheme. Supposedly the book had like 100k sales before it got pulled, and price was what, about $5. So assuming Amazon takes a 50% cut (I doubt it's that high, but just for argument's sake) that means the author raked in like $250k. Not a bad way to make some money (other than the fact the author will forever be associated with the book and presumed a pedophile), write something super controversial and then publicize it knowing that tons of people are going to buy it just because they're curious about the content.

edit: Actually not sure about the sales numbers, I guess a link earlier said 100,000% increase in popularity, not sales. Another link from P&N says there were only 300 sales.

 

[Number1]

Amazon pedophilia author arrested



LOL.........................

 

[highland145]

"He very proudly sold us his personal copy," Judd told the Associated Press. "I was outraged by the content. It was clearly a manifesto on how to sexually batter children ... You just can't believe how absolutely disgusting it was."

"What's wrong with a society that has gotten to the point that we can't arrest child pornographers and child molesters who write a book about how to rape a child?" Judd said.

"If we can get jurisdiction ... we're coming after you," Judd said. "There's nothing in the world more important than our children."

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[drebo]

Amazon pedophilia author arrested



LOL.........................

Entrapment, maybe?

Not sure how mailing something to someone who solicited it is "obscenity"...

I may not agree with the contents of the book, but I sure as shit agree with this guy's right to write, market, and sell the book.

 

[CLite]

Officials said the book talked about safe sex and avoiding injury to children, grooming and preparing children for sex, and teaching children how to lie to their parents.

Judd said Greaves' book outlined a "code of ethics" that showed pedophiles how to look for the most vulnerable children.

ok, really.......

How to spot vulnerable children? Grooming and preparing children for sex and how to avoid letting their parents finding out?

I guess let the guy continue selling the book. At the same time without any fanfare make the purchase of this book an indication of probable cause and use that as a warrant for wiretapping anyone who buys this shit. Wait a year or two and collect enough information to hit a lot of people engaging in childporn distribution/targeting of children/etc. (unless a child's life is in peril and then the cat would get out of the bag earlier).

 

[gophins72]

We must save teh children!!11!!one!

 

[drebo]

ok, really.......

How to spot vulnerable children? Grooming and preparing children for sex and how to avoid letting their parents finding out?

I guess let the guy continue selling the book. At the same time without any fanfare make the purchase of this book an indication of probable cause and use that as a warrant for wiretapping anyone who buys this shit. Wait a year or two and collect enough information to hit a lot of people engaging in childporn distribution/targeting of children/etc. (unless a child's life is in peril and then the cat would get out of the bag earlier).

Except that it's NOT probable cause. Nor is it cause for suspicion of any kind. No more than owning a copy of Mein Kampff means you're a Nazi or owning the Communist Manifesto makes you a communish.

Or owning a certain Scorpions album makes you a child pornographer.

 

[CLite]

Except that it's NOT probable cause. Nor is it cause for suspicion of any kind. No more than owning a copy of Mein Kampff means you're a Nazi or owning the Communist Manifesto makes you a communish.

Or owning a certain Scorpions album makes you a child pornographer.

Discussion of why one wants to be a pedophile or why the idea of it is so attractive would be comparable to owning the Mein Kampff.

A how to guide of spotting vulnerable children, grooming them for sex, and hiding any evidence such that parent's can't find out is something else entirely.

Do you honestly see no difference here?

 

[drebo]

Discussion of why one wants to be a pedophile or why the idea of it is so attractive would be comparable to owning the Mein Kampff.

A how to guide of spotting vulnerable children, grooming them for sex, and hiding any evidence such that parent's can't find out is something else entirely.

Do you honestly see no difference here?

No difference. They're just two books. Owning the book doesn't equate to subscribing to the ideals in the books, regardless of content.

The idea that government can incriminate you simply for owning a copy of another's words is deplorable and contrary to everything this country is supposed to stand for. The idea that the government can prevent someone from publishing those words is even worse.

 

[CLite]

No difference. They're just two books. Owning the book doesn't equate to subscribing to the ideals in the books, regardless of content.

The idea that government can incriminate you simply for owning a copy of another's words is deplorable and contrary to everything this country is supposed to stand for. The idea that the government can prevent someone from publishing those words is even worse.

So people can start publishing books about how to obtain sleeping pills very easily, or spotting vulnerable woman. How about how to dispose of bodies easily, or how to spot easy to rob stores.

These books will not help increase security, it's not like a vulnerable child will be better protected now that this book is published. The child is probably vulnerable for circumstances like inattentive parents (not to say all parents of molested children are inattentive). This inattentive parent will probably not read this book and suddenly increase the odds of the child's chance against predators. Likewise, insufficient funds or the organization of law enforcement allow for vulnerabilities in murder cases / robberies/etc. that won't be fixed by an expose on how best to exploit them.

This book directly increases the chance for child molestation while decreasing it's detection rate. The easiest way to counter this is to wiretap idiots who buy such shit based on probable cause.

People are strawmaning this by comparing this book to books on political discourse.

 

[drebo]

There is no difference between this book and a book on political discourse.

A book is a book is a book. Free speech is free speech.

This book is not going to turn people in to pedophiles that did not already have tendancies in that direction. It's not going to cause people who weren't previously intending to cause harm to children to suddenly cause harm to them. If people were going to do that, they'd do that whether or not this book was published.

The issue here is not that the content of the book is abhorrent. The issue is that the government has no right to censor that book solely based on that content, and has no right to prosecute or in any other way incriminate someone solely based on posession of that content. Owning a book is not illegal unless the content of that book is illegal. Letters on a page are not illegal.

 

[CLite]

This book is not going to turn people in to pedophiles that did not already have tendancies in that direction. It's not going to cause people who weren't previously intending to cause harm to children to suddenly cause harm to them. If people were going to do that, they'd do that whether or not this book was published.

It could directly increase the success rate of the people intending to rape children, and decrease the detection rate of those rapes. It is an absurd strawman to say we will turn into a police state that suppresses free-speech because we want to mitigate this risk.

Once again this isn't some political book discussing the merits of child rape and porn, it is a how-to-book on successfully raping children and hiding it.

 

[lxskllr]

The 1st amendment wasn't written to protect popular speech. This is a perfect example of why we need an amendment. Who's going to complain about a book on vanilla ice cream? No one's against that, so no amendment is needed. It's pretty obvious if anyone cares to think.

 

[CLite]

The 1st amendment wasn't written to protect popular speech. This is a perfect example of why we need an amendment. Who's going to complain about a book on vanilla ice cream? No one's against that, so no amendment is needed. It's pretty obvious if anyone cares to think.

An amendment was required to protect unpopular discourse, such as religious views and political thought. Not to protect guides that lead to more children being raped with less detection. It's pretty obvious if anyone cares to think.

I'm quite positive if someone published such a book in 1800 the founding fathers would have gladly hanged the man. People are really busy strawmaning the shit out of this topic.

 

[SarcasticDwarf]

I'm quite positive if someone published such a book in 1800 the founding fathers would have gladly hanged the man. People are really busy strawmaning the shit out of this topic.

Books like this (as in, about things that are illegal) have existed for several centuries. They are not illegal to own or distribute. See the Anarchists Cookbook, etc.

Case will eventually get thrown out.

 

[lxskllr]

An amendment was required to protect unpopular discourse, such as religious views and political thought. Not to protect guides that lead to more children being raped with less detection. It's pretty obvious if anyone cares to think.

I'm quite positive if someone published such a book in 1800 the founding fathers would have gladly hanged the man. People are really busy strawmaning the shit out of this topic.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

perhaps you'd like to point out the text where the types of speech are limited for me. I went to public high school, so I'm probably not equipped to interpret these complicated legal documents :^)

 

[mcmilljb]

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I agree. I could not believe what he was saying. He went from talking about the author to basically calling him child pornographers and child molesters. Unless he can asexually reproduce, I think this sheriff lost his marbles. I don't even want to get started on his think of the children crap.

This guy may need some help, but he is not a felon. Florida seriously wants to waste resources having to track this guy as a sex offender over a book? I think the public outrage solved the problem when it forced Amazon to pull the book. Free markets still work sometimes.

 

[CLite]

perhaps you'd like to point out the text where the types of speech are limited for me. I went to public high school, so I'm probably not equipped to interpret these complicated legal documents :^)

I understand the literal translation of the constitution. However I am quite simply stating that you are building a strawman by saying that there will be a collapse of free-speech if we determine that it is probable cause if someone buys this book. There is no slippery slope here.

This is just like that recent bust of the online chat group that was discussing child porn /etc. There was probable cause and they were able to bust the people for actually distributing the child porn. Purchase of this book and attempt to sell this book is easily probable cause, and if it is found subsequently that these people engaged in actual illegal behavior they will get arrested. They can't get arrested for buying it, but it sure as fuck makes them shaddy. Just like many things can provide probable cause even if you can't arrest someone based on it.

 

[frostedflakes]

Amazon pedophilia author arrested



LOL.........................

Contrary to popular belief, being a pedophile isn't illegal. Sounds like some pretty BS charges, if the guy has the means to fight it I'm sure he could get the charges thrown out. ACLU or some other group might take on the case.

I mean if he has actually molested any children, lock the guy up and throw away the key. But you shouldn't be able to jail someone for writing a book, even if it may help others commit a crime. It's just a book, and frankly most of the information is probably common sense and/or could easily be found online if someone cared to look.

 

[drebo]

I understand the literal translation of the constitution. However I am quite simply stating that you are building a strawman by saying that there will be a collapse of free-speech if we determine that it is probable cause if someone buys this book. There is no slippery slope here.

And your assertion that all children everywhere will not be raped because of this book isn't a strawman?

Censorship IS a collapse of free speech, even if it is only one time. The content of the book is not illegal, and therefore writing or owning the book is not illegal. To assert otherwise is contrary to the intentions of the First Amendment.