Amazon Kindle E-Book Reader gets official

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SarcasticDwarf

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I was actually interested in it until I saw that it looks like a cheap plastic kids game from the late 80's.
 

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Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf
I was actually interested in it until I saw that it looks like a cheap plastic kids game from the late 80's.

Uhhh yeah, I just watched the demo video and it looks like a prototype...what the heck? Someone give Bezos a can of black vinyl dye!
 

Kaido

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10 CENTS PER EMAIL TO YOUR KINDLE ADDRESS!!! :|

I hope you don't start getting spam...

Edit: Looks like you can transfer free on your computer via USB, but it requires some kind of conversion.
 

Pepsi90919

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Originally posted by: Kaido
Originally posted by: AnyMal
No backlight? That's just dumb.

That's actually a PLUS of E-ink - no backlight means no extra strain on your eyes. Having a backlight is like staring at a flashlight. E-ink offers no-backlight technology.

"E-ink"? man you're really into this stuff
 

Pabster

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The battery issue has to do with EVDO. Sony's eBook readers don't do that, and any wireless technology is a battery buster.

I think it looks ugly as hell, but I'd like to try it out nonetheless.
 

Kaido

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Originally posted by: Pepsi90919
Originally posted by: Kaido
Originally posted by: AnyMal
No backlight? That's just dumb.

That's actually a PLUS of E-ink - no backlight means no extra strain on your eyes. Having a backlight is like staring at a flashlight. E-ink offers no-backlight technology.

"E-ink"? man you're really into this stuff

Uh, that's the product name of the screen...LCD, CRT, E-Ink...
 

Kaido

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Originally posted by: Pabster
The battery issue has to do with EVDO. Sony's eBook readers don't do that, and any wireless technology is a battery buster.

I think it looks ugly as hell, but I'd like to try it out nonetheless.

Looks like there's a button to turn off EV-DO; 30 hours with Wireless on, a week of reading with wireless off.
 

AgaBoogaBoo

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Originally posted by: Pabster
The battery issue has to do with EVDO. Sony's eBook readers don't do that, and any wireless technology is a battery buster.

I think it looks ugly as hell, but I'd like to try it out nonetheless.
I'd like to try it out too, but the price is a bit too high. If it was $50, I would get it, but $400 is a bit much.
 

SarcasticDwarf

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Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
$10 per book?!?!?
That's outrageous.

Have you been to a retail book store lately?

Hardcover is over $10, but paperback are generally $6.99-$8.99. If you read mostly paperback (fiction) you are paying far more.
 

Pabster

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Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf
Hardcover is over $10, but paperback are generally $6.99-$8.99. If you read mostly paperback (fiction) you are paying far more.

Yeah, hardcover is WAY over $10.

Paperback can easily be $10. Even at $7 or $9 a pop, what's another buck or two for the convenience?

In fact, I pay more than that for audiobooks.
 

fuzzybabybunny

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I'm not liking this either.

No backlight? Battery should last pretty long then... but it doesn't :confused:
No backlight? Can't read in the dark then. Need a separate light.
No color? Come on....
$10 a book? This is the #1 reason I won't be buying it. There are no printing costs, no distribution costs, no store shelf costs. It is almost pure profit for these book companies to sell e-books and yet it's more expensive. I sure as hell won't be buying anything at this price, not to mention they're opening up e-book pirating on themselves with this pricing. And how would you resell your finished books? When I buy a book I want to be sure I can sell it again to recoup some costs.
10 cents an email is really stupid. It's frickin' email. In this day and age it's more common to use you email than your actual home address or even phone number.
 

Kaido

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Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo
Originally posted by: Pabster
The battery issue has to do with EVDO. Sony's eBook readers don't do that, and any wireless technology is a battery buster.

I think it looks ugly as hell, but I'd like to try it out nonetheless.
I'd like to try it out too, but the price is a bit too high. If it was $50, I would get it, but $400 is a bit much.

It will get popular when it's $99. At $49 it would be harder to get than a Wii. It will get more popular when it sports a full-color screen like the iPhone that is sunlight-readable and has multi-touch for easier navigation. But there are battery issues and manufacturing cost issues to overcome before that happens ;)
 

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Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny
I'm not liking this either.

No backlight? Battery should last pretty long then... but it doesn't :confused:
No backlight? Can't read in the dark then. Need a separate light.
No color? Come on....
$10 a book? This is the #1 reason I won't be buying it. There are no printing costs, no distribution costs, no store shelf costs. It is almost pure profit for these book companies to sell e-books and yet it's more expensive. I sure as hell won't be buying anything at this price, not to mention they're opening up e-book pirating on themselves with this pricing. And how would you resell your finished books? When I buy a book I want to be sure I can sell it again to recoup some costs.
10 cents an email is really stupid. It's frickin' email. In this day and age it's more common to use you email than your actual home address or even phone number.

I think your reaction is going to be the typical consumer reaction - "why should I buy this over a regular book?" However this is a start...Amazon is the largest online book retailer so they have a lot of power behind them...it can only get better from here! :D
 

Kaido

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Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf
Hardcover is over $10, but paperback are generally $6.99-$8.99. If you read mostly paperback (fiction) you are paying far more.

Yeah, hardcover is WAY over $10.

Paperback can easily be $10. Even at $7 or $9 a pop, what's another buck or two for the convenience?

In fact, I pay more than that for audiobooks.

You know, that's a good point - I buy audiobooks from iTunes that typically come at a convenience cost...
 

Kaido

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So far I've heard a lot of complaints...what would be YOUR perfect e-book reader? I think mine would have:

-EV-DO/3G, Wifi, Bluetooth, and USB connectivity
-SDHC support (not sure if the Kindle does those)
-Full-color, sunlight-readable screen with adjustable backlight for reading in the dark
-Multi-touch for easy navigation
-Pressure-sensitive pen (Wacom-style)
-Full web support
-Folds in half for even easier storage (hey, as long as I'm dreaming!)
 

SarcasticDwarf

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Originally posted by: Kaido
Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf
Hardcover is over $10, but paperback are generally $6.99-$8.99. If you read mostly paperback (fiction) you are paying far more.

Yeah, hardcover is WAY over $10.

Paperback can easily be $10. Even at $7 or $9 a pop, what's another buck or two for the convenience?

In fact, I pay more than that for audiobooks.

You know, that's a good point - I buy audiobooks from iTunes that typically come at a convenience cost...

There is certainly a convenience cost, but $10 is excessive. If you want an examble of a very successful electronic book market look at Baen's Webscriptions service. A typical paperback is $4-6 (depending on how recently it was released) with hardcovers up to about $10. No DRM on anything and every book is available in about half a dozen formats.
 

SarcasticDwarf

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Originally posted by: Kaido
So far I've heard a lot of complaints...what would be YOUR perfect e-book reader? I think mine would have:

-EV-DO/3G, Wifi, Bluetooth, and USB connectivity
-SDHC support (not sure if the Kindle does those)
-Full-color, sunlight-readable screen with adjustable backlight for reading in the dark
-Multi-touch for easy navigation
-Pressure-sensitive pen (Wacom-style)
-Full web support
-Folds in half for even easier storage (hey, as long as I'm dreaming!)

I would say either the ability to convert into a format best for the reader or the ability to display any standard format (e-book formats are txt, doc, pdf, and lit).
 

Kaido

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Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf
Originally posted by: Kaido
Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf
Hardcover is over $10, but paperback are generally $6.99-$8.99. If you read mostly paperback (fiction) you are paying far more.

Yeah, hardcover is WAY over $10.

Paperback can easily be $10. Even at $7 or $9 a pop, what's another buck or two for the convenience?

In fact, I pay more than that for audiobooks.

You know, that's a good point - I buy audiobooks from iTunes that typically come at a convenience cost...

There is certainly a convenience cost, but $10 is excessive. If you want an examble of a very successful electronic book market look at Baen's Webscriptions service. A typical paperback is $4-6 (depending on how recently it was released) with hardcovers up to about $10. No DRM on anything and every book is available in about half a dozen formats.

That could have proved to be an interesting selling point for Amazon...I bet if books were $3.99 or $4.99 instead of $9.99 that people would be able to overlook the $399 price easier. I definitely think that E-Books are the way of the future, especially as textbooks for schools, but I don't think it's going ot happen anytime soon. People need more of an incentive than "carry your whole library with you" I think. For the majority of consumers, it's almost always about money - convenience is one thing, but it needs to be married to price. Why do they have to charge $10? They don't have to pay for glue, paper, ink, etc. All they have to cover is your EV-DO subscription. Authors who go with big publishers typically only get a small piece of the pie when they publish their book, so it's not like they're going to be making more money if the price is higher or lower. If books were only a few bucks each I think the Kindle would really take off despite being ugly and overpriced.
 

Pabster

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No SDHC, which is a bit of a bummer.

It does support Audible format.

And the battery is user-replaceable, which is nice.
 

Kaido

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Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf
Originally posted by: Kaido
So far I've heard a lot of complaints...what would be YOUR perfect e-book reader? I think mine would have:

-EV-DO/3G, Wifi, Bluetooth, and USB connectivity
-SDHC support (not sure if the Kindle does those)
-Full-color, sunlight-readable screen with adjustable backlight for reading in the dark
-Multi-touch for easy navigation
-Pressure-sensitive pen (Wacom-style)
-Full web support
-Folds in half for even easier storage (hey, as long as I'm dreaming!)

I would say either the ability to convert into a format best for the reader or the ability to display any standard format (e-book formats are txt, doc, pdf, and lit).

I'm sure there will be a hack program that comes out to support this type of functionality. Shame on Amazon for not doing this first!
 

Kaido

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Originally posted by: Pabster
No SDHC, which is a bit of a bummer.

It does support Audible format.

And the battery is user-replaceable, which is nice.

Yeah but it says that a 256mb SD card can hold over 300 titles, so a $20 2GB SD card from Newegg can hold ~2300 titles.
 

Dacalo

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It's a good idea, but the up front cost of $400 to read $10 books is way too much. Even $300 would be too expensive, and the sweet spot would be more like $99, and I am sure the price go down as it gets cheaper to manufacture.
 

nakedfrog

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Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
$10 per book?!?!?
That's outrageous.

Have you been to a retail book store lately?

So? It should be less for an electronic equivalent. No transportation costs, manufacturing costs, etc...
It's twice what it should be.