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Amazon charges tax to NYC?!

JEDI said:
wait.. ny sued and won?!
when did ny gain the power of taxing multi-state commerce?
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It's still being sorted out in NYS courts. NY has the power to tax companies that have a nexus in NY, and so far, NY has successfully argued that the advertisers that Amazon.com pays in NY to direct site traffic to Amazon.com constitutes enough of a nexus to make them collect sales tax.
 
Jumpem said:
New York state sued them. Thank the downstate liberals.
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Yeah, why should New York businesses expect to compete. After all, its only fair that out of state businesses should be able to sell things without collecting sales tax, while in state businesses, well, go out of business..
 
techs said:
Yeah, why should New York businesses expect to compete. After all, its only fair that out of state businesses should be able to sell things without collecting sales tax, while in state businesses, well, go out of business..
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Why does NYS need so much of my (and everyone else's) tax money? That is the real question.
 
do you have friend in NJ? start sending the packages over there.

my purchases at amazon has been pummeled after they started charging taxes (Newegg doesnt). since i work at nj, i have all my amazon purchases deliver there.
 
Ah, yes. Something (R) and (D) have in common in this country.....

Chasing money you feel is rightfully yours, instead of spending the money you currently have wisely.
 
techs said:
Yeah, why should New York businesses expect to compete. After all, its only fair that out of state businesses should be able to sell things without collecting sales tax, while in state businesses, well, go out of business..
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Yeh, why should New York be is such debt that they have to look for any way possible to scrounge more money. That is the real issue... out of control spending by our politicians!
 
techs said:
Yeah, why should New York businesses expect to compete. After all, its only fair that out of state businesses should be able to sell things without collecting sales tax, while in state businesses, well, go out of business..
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moshquerade said:
Yeh, why should New York be is such debt that they have to look for any way possible to scrounge more money. That is the real issue... out of control spending by our politicians!
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Yes, the question as to why out of state businesses who hire out of state people and can get around collecting sales tax, while in state businesses go out of business because they do collect taxes shouldn't be addressed?
Lets lower taxes! What could possibly go wrong?
 
moshquerade said:
Yeh, why should New York be is such debt that they have to look for any way possible to scrounge more money. That is the real issue... out of control spending by our politicians!
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Mosh, have you considered that it has been the lack of income growth amongst workers that is the largest part of the problem?
We shipped a huge amount of our jobs to China. Over the last 10 years there has been virtually no real income growth for working Americans. This has screwed up a lot of places tax resources, which are planned out over years.
If workers real income had grown a compounded 15-20 percent over inflation the last 10 years we would all be better off, and states and localities and the Feds would have enough tax revenue.

Increasing real wage growth is win-win. Just cutting taxes is actually long term lose-lose. Less taxes, less government spending tends to bring down the economy. Less taxes, less infrastructure spending, educational achievements, etc. It's just a long term decline if you go that route.
Think of the government like a business. You have to put money into it to make money.
 
techs said:
Mosh, have you considered that it has been the lack of income growth amongst workers that is the largest part of the problem?
We shipped a huge amount of our jobs to China. Over the last 10 years there has been virtually no real income growth for working Americans. This has screwed up a lot of places tax resources, which are planned out over years.
If workers real income had grown a compounded 15-20 percent over inflation the last 10 years we would all be better off, and states and localities and the Feds would have enough tax revenue.

Increasing real wage growth is win-win. Just cutting taxes is actually long term lose-lose. Less taxes, less government spending tends to bring down the economy. Less taxes, less infrastructure spending, educational achievements, etc. It's just a long term decline if you go that route.
Think of the government like a business. You have to put money into it to make money.
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The largest problem is the raises and pensions we give to state union workers.
 
Hacp said:
The largest problem is the raises and pensions we give to state union workers.
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No. Or at least partially no.
As American workers have gotten screwed more and more by things like unfair trade with China, workers salaries and benefits have decreased.
The States have been slower to lower salaries, as opposed to just cost of living adjustments. Same with pensions.

Yes, the States need to cut salaries and reduce pensions.

BUT the real question is WHY? And the answer is that the American worker has been screwed over by not only unfair trad with China but, wait for it, its coming, TAX CUTS and DEREGULATION. Yes, the amount the super rich own in this country is now at the level it was in 1916(when the estate tax was enacted). We are almost back to the situation we were in 1929 with workers having so little and the super rich so much. And we found out how bad that is in 1929.
 
Brainonska511 said:
Yeah... grr...they're collecting taxes that you are already required to pay to NY.
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This.

You all realize that for NY, and most other states, you're obligated to pay your local Use Tax. The difference is that the states generally have no way of determining how much Use Tax you actually owe unless you provide them with receipts for everything, and therefore rely on the honor system that you will honestly pay what you actually owe.

This is basically the loophole NYS is trying to close. It's full of shit anyway. I don't understand why we are obligated to be taxed a dozen or so times on every dollar we earn, especially since each of those dollars has been taxed already as revenue from the companies that produced the goods.
 
SunnyD said:
This.

You all realize that for NY, and most other states, you're obligated to pay your local Use Tax. The difference is that the states generally have no way of determining how much Use Tax you actually owe unless you provide them with receipts for everything, and therefore rely on the honor system that you will honestly pay what you actually owe.

This is basically the loophole NYS is trying to close. It's full of shit anyway. I don't understand why we are obligated to be taxed a dozen or so times on every dollar we earn, especially since each of those dollars has been taxed already as revenue from the companies that produced the goods.
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They want to suffocate the working man so government fatcats can make it big.
 
SunnyD said:
This.

You all realize that for NY, and most other states, you're obligated to pay your local Use Tax. The difference is that the states generally have no way of determining how much Use Tax you actually owe unless you provide them with receipts for everything, and therefore rely on the honor system that you will honestly pay what you actually owe.

This is basically the loophole NYS is trying to close. It's full of shit anyway. I don't understand why we are obligated to be taxed a dozen or so times on every dollar we earn, especially since each of those dollars has been taxed already as revenue from the companies that produced the goods.
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Well, the best solution is to end the sales tax and increase the progressive income tax to make up for the lost revenue.
That would help the middle class and the poor.
 
techs said:
BUT the real question is WHY? And the answer is that the American worker has been screwed over by not only unfair trad with China but, wait for it, its coming, TAX CUTS and DEREGULATION. Yes, the amount the super rich own in this country is now at the level it was in 1916(when the estate tax was enacted). We are almost back to the situation we were in 1929 with workers having so little and the super rich so much. And we found out how bad that is in 1929.
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got any hard numbers yet for the last 2 years? last real data crunching i see was 2007, which wasn't even as 'bad' in terms of wealth distribution as 1998. as a napkin calculation the stock market is up over the last 2 years but it's still down ~14% from 2007 average, and according the census november median home prices are down 14% from 2007. so if both are down 14%, did the distro really change much from 2007?
 
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