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[T9D]

https://chaturbate.com/female-cams/

 

[ElFenix]

I look forward to the day when UPS and Fedex have driverless delivery trucks and robots that deliver a package to your doorstep. Eliminating those morons is the single best thing that anyone could do to ensure an item gets to its destination in one piece.

also prevents UPS drivers from peeing in your front yard

 

[Imp]

Watched for the drones. Stayed for the nice butt at 1:14.

Bastard. I closed the video and had to reopen.

I, on the other hand, maintain that there has to be a way for everyone to make a good living, not just the ones lucky enough to be born smart, or with certain aptitudes. The jobs that the middle and lower end of the bell curve used to get are absolutely going/gone away.

I'm all for progress, but this change feels different than industrialization. All those machines will probably become standardized at some point so only need a few companies with edumucated engineers and managers. Stats already suggest we're producing more than enough engineers/scientists.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Do you think the company that makes the robots also had robots that assemble the robots?

Yes, the robots are made by robots.

Do humans assemble the constructor robots?

I don't know about this specific instance, but it is entirely possible. A team of probably 100 humans built the first few, from there the robots built the robots to build the robots, and the humans are out of work. Maybe one or two of them sticks around each factory to make repairs, until they get a robot repairing robot, then they only need one person worldwide to oversee the repair robot.

As you can see, this is different then the industrial revolution. The industrial revolution was mostly a changing of the nature of jobs, so that new and more complex items could be built in mass. In the early part of automation enough people were needed to build and maintain the automations that the workforce cost of automated businesses was mostly cushioned. But the point of automation from a business standpoint is to reduce payroll, and it would hardly be effective if it was just shifting jobs around. It was all building to the point we are at now, the tipping point of where automation can not just make workers more effecient, but fully replace workers. We are within a decade of that happening now.

So, it is a good question to be asked. What will we do when 80% of our population can't find a job?

 

[fleshconsumed]

I had this argument with my brother over the holidays (he's top management for an oil company, one percent-er). He and all his peers can't find skilled labor, so they aren't sympathetic to unskilled labor being replaced by machines.

I, on the other hand, maintain that there has to be a way for everyone to make a good living, not just the ones lucky enough to be born smart, or with certain aptitudes. The jobs that the middle and lower end of the bell curve used to get are absolutely going/gone away.

There are quite a few discussions on the net and here at AT in particular about this. The argument they always center on can be best summarized by the following video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pq-S557XQU

There is no question that technology is increasingly displacing low cost manual labor everywhere. It has happened in the past before so many times, the power loom displaced manual weavers in 1800's, the advances in agricultural machinery displaced all the farmers in 1900's, the automobiles displaced horse buggies in 1930's, the transistor replaced telephone switchboard operators in the 1950's, the digital photography and printers displaced a lot of film developers and companies manufacturing film/film cameras in the early 00's, right now internet is helping to displace B&M chains while cutting humans out of the labor force.

So the only argument is whether the humans can "recover" and find new places of employment in the post technology world. There are two opposing camps. One camp says that huge technological advances have happened numerous times before and we have always managed to adapt just fine, the other camp says that what is happening today is nothing like what has happened in the past.

I happen to fall in the latter camp. I'll try to make it really simple. The technology and robotics is rapidly taking over all manual labor positions, and I do mean all of them. There will not be a different low skill manual position for the people displaced by technology to go to. The only two ways out are either service industry (which has been increasingly happening in the past 50 years) or up, as in finding a job that cannot be done by computer such as doctor/engineer/laywer/plumber/hvac repairman. I think the high skill jobs are a dead end as we only need so many of them, and service jobs pay shit because the supply of unskilled labor is becoming too high to support comfortable wages.

What I think is going to happen is increasing wealth inequality. At the very top will be people who control automation, factories, railroads, information services (google, facebook) etc, basically people who control resources and means of generating and distributing the physical goods and information. The next 20% who can find a high skill job as engineer/doctor/laywer/plumber will do relatively well, and the other 80% are basically screwed. In my mind the question is not whether or not this happens, but how are we going to deal with it. In my opinion if we do not find a way to somehow redistribute resources there is a very real change we're going to end up in a dystopian society like we have in Elysium. Either that, or we find a way to redistribute the wealth so that the lower 80% are provided some minimum standard of living enough for them not to riot/burn/loot/steal/kill.

 

[fleshconsumed]

I don't know about this specific instance, but it is entirely possible. A team of probably 100 humans built the first few, from there the robots built the robots to build the robots, and the humans are out of work. Maybe one or two of them sticks around each factory to make repairs, until they get a robot repairing robot, then they only need one person worldwide to oversee the repair robot.

Not if you build two repair robots so that they can repair each other in case one of them breaks. Then you need no humans at all to maintain the robot army.

Actually, in a way, this could be how the future wars are going to be fought. One robotic army against another. Each robot army is trying to destroy the other faster than it can repair itself. In this case the robot army that has better programming, better logistics, better supply lines, better failure detection algorithms and therefore can repair itself faster and more efficiently is going to be the one that wins. This could make for a good book/movie.

 

[T9D]

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[Kaido]

So the only argument is whether the humans can "recover" and find new places of employment in the post technology world. There are two opposing camps. One camp says that huge technological advances have happened numerous times before and we have always managed to adapt just fine, the other camp says that what is happening today is nothing like what has happened in the past.

That's what cracks me up about Star Trek...I'm pretty sure if we had replicators & transporters, 99% of us would be slobs watching movies all night & eating food all day. I know I would be :biggrin:

 

[SMOGZINN]

The only two ways out are either service industry (which has been increasingly happening in the past 50 years) or up, as in finding a job that cannot be done by computer such as doctor/engineer/laywer/plumber/hvac repairman.

Have you been to a Chili's lately? Thoses on table kiosk things are a test, when they get enough information about how to use them the goal is to reduce the number of waitstaff needed. A waitress won't need to come by your table to take your order or ask if you need a refill, or to see if you need anything, because you will just tell the tablet on your table, then the one or two waitresses can bring you what you need.

It is a different type of automation, but it is coming to the service industry as well.

 

[Kaido]

They will live on a pittance and all their money will go to those who own and run everything with robots.

That's something I found odd about the Hunger Games movies...the capitol had crazy high technology, stuff like hovering F-22's and whatnot, but they made district people go out & do manual labor. Orrrrrr why not just build a machine to do it, and do it better than a human could?

 

[Ns1]

Have you been to a Chili's lately? Thoses on table kiosk things are a test, when they get enough information about how to use them the goal is to reduce the number of waitstaff needed. A waitress won't need to come by your table to take your order or ask if you need a refill, or to see if you need anything, because you will just tell the tablet on your table, then the one or two waitresses can bring you what you need.

It is a different type of automation, but it is coming to the service industry as well.

it's already there in Mumbai, I imagine it's around the states somewhere. Went to a pub, ordered everything off a tablet. Order went directly to an iTouch operated by an employee, employee came over to confirm everything. Drinks came shortly after.

 

[Sonikku]

They made a movie about that. I think it was called 'The Purge'

Check it out.

Do you think the company that makes the robots also had robots that assemble the robots? Do humans assemble the constructor robots?

They might right now. Just wait for the AI. Then you have robots making robots making other robots.

 

[Kaido]

Have you been to a Chili's lately? Thoses on table kiosk things are a test, when they get enough information about how to use them the goal is to reduce the number of waitstaff needed. A waitress won't need to come by your table to take your order or ask if you need a refill, or to see if you need anything, because you will just tell the tablet on your table, then the one or two waitresses can bring you what you need.

It is a different type of automation, but it is coming to the service industry as well.

Honestly, I think that'd be awesome. I don't often have good experiences with wait staff...sometimes they bug you too much, or never come by, or get your order wrong, or whatever. It'd be cool to have a little touchscreen & just order your food, along with any notes to the cooking staff for meal customization (food allergies or hold the pickles or whatever). It'd be interesting to see if the more common chef jobs became a bit more of a celebrity type of job since there's no "middleman" of the waiters or waitresses, so you'd be more inclined to go to the places where there's an awesome set of chefs.

I remember seeing a TV clip about automated restaurants - found it on Youtube!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEQweRdluZw

The food slides down some rails to your table. I could see how it could be a minor hassle, but it'd also be nice to improve the quality of the product because you could communicate directly back to the cook, rather than relaying it through a waiter. Plus, vending machines & frozen dinners only go so far - having someone actually prepare a meal for you is always going to be awesome.

This would kind of take the human element out of it, but it'd be cool if you just wanted to go & eat some food alone somewhere, or meet up with some friends & chill for an hour or two while eating. Wouldn't be hard to automate cleanup either, or throw a Roomba in there for the floors haha.

 

[Markbnj]

That's what cracks me up about Star Trek...I'm pretty sure if we had replicators & transporters, 99% of us would be slobs watching movies all night & eating food all day. I know I would be :biggrin:

But if we had unlimited free energy and replicators then it really wouldn't matter. You could be a slob, or an achiever, as your nature dictated. The competition would be over accomplishments and legacies, not gathering the most resources.

 

[Markbnj]

I'm all for progress, but this change feels different than industrialization. All those machines will probably become standardized at some point so only need a few companies with edumucated engineers and managers. Stats already suggest we're producing more than enough engineers/scientists.

There are definitely some parallels with the (several) industrial revolutions, but I don't know why that should be comforting. We did come through those changes as a species, and I expect we will come through any future change of that magnitude as a species. You could argue the Internet was/is a change of that magnitude. But those changes were hugely disruptive. They caused wars, and violence, and it took quite awhile before people settled into their new roles. If it happens again, i.e. we let change drive us rather than driving change, it could be a lot more destructive and painful. We have a much denser population and individuals have much more destructive power at their disposal than in the 18th and 19th centuries.

 

[Imp]

That's what cracks me up about Star Trek...I'm pretty sure if we had replicators & transporters, 99% of us would be slobs watching movies all night & eating food all day. I know I would be :biggrin:

See First Contact: Picard explains that knowing we were not alone in the universe inspired us to come together and better ourselves... just because.

It'll work out. Worst case, a second French Revolution happens?

 

[ElFenix]

See First Contact: Picard explains that knowing we were not alone in the universe inspired us to come together and better ourselves... just because.

It'll work out. Worst case, a second French Revolution happens?

it'd be at least the fifth french revolution
(the one you're thinking of, plus 1830, 1848, and the paris commune)

 

[Imp]

it'd be at least the fifth french revolution
(the one you're thinking of, plus 1830, 1848, and the paris commune)

I was thinking 1780-ish or whatever. The hell happened in 1830, 1848, et al...

 

[Balt]

See, you thought that the future would be Terminators and Matrix drones killing your entire family and leading to the end of the human race.

Little did you know...you were going to be run over to death by Kirby's.

RIP Humanity.

Those poor suckers who bought Roombas will be the first to die when the machines turn on us.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Those poor suckers who bought Roombas will be the first to die when the machines turn on us.

What is it going to do, bump into your toes aggressively? No, it is your NEST thermostat that is going to get you.

 

[ElFenix]

I was thinking 1780-ish or whatever. The hell happened in 1830, 1848, et al...

1830 the monarchy tried to abolish the free press, disolved the chamber of deputies, and took the franchise from the merchant and industrial bourgeoisie. in response, a popular uprising placed a new king on the throne while the hereditary monarchs fled (also sparked an uprising in the southern netherlands which led to the formation of belgium)

1848 was the fall of the monarchy established in 1830 and led to the second republic, presided over by louis napoleon, who later crowned himself napoleon III and created the second empire.

in 1870 the second empire collapsed following the disastrous franco-prussian war, leading workers in paris to create their own (radical left-wing) community which refused to recognize national authority. following the killing of two french generals by the national guard of the paris commune, the commune was swiftly and brutally suppressed (10,000 to 20,000 killed).

 

[Craig234]

I wonder what happens once all the unskilled jobs in America are eliminated over the next 20 years.

What's supposed to happen is that our political system remembers citizens come first, using all the wealth created to benefit the public.

Which is one big reason all the takeover of government by billionares is a disaster.

There is nothing guaranteeing we won't see a lot more poverty - look at the displaced coal miners in Kentucky for one example, voting for people pandering 'coal will come back!'

 

[Jeff7]

Oh, so you prefer that the company not adopt more efficient ways of doing things? Do you also ride in a horse and buggy with a driver to make sure horse and buggy drivers don't lose their jobs because of these new fangled horseless carriages?

If a company can do something better and more efficiently than their competitors, then the competitors will go out of business. That competition drives improvement among everyone in the marketplace, leading to the best outcome for consumers. That's the way it works, that's the way it's supposed to work.

Horses? That's also putting people out of work!

What's supposed to happen is that our political system remembers citizens come first, using all the wealth created to benefit the public.

Which is one big reason all the takeover of government by billionares is a disaster.

There is nothing guaranteeing we won't see a lot more poverty - look at the displaced coal miners in Kentucky for one example, voting for people pandering 'coal will come back!'

I assume that'll come after we create a genuinely benevolent AI that supplants the corrupt, greedy pricks who are invariably drawn to positions of power?

That's what cracks me up about Star Trek...I'm pretty sure if we had replicators & transporters, 99% of us would be slobs watching movies all night & eating food all day. I know I would be :biggrin:

Or, to swipe a phrase from Ben Croshaw (Yahtzee), guys would be busy using the holodeck to stick their dicks into all kinds of magical things. There'd also be an entire operating system created from the ground up with phallic object creation in mind.
Holodecks would be slick with, to use another of his phrases, "hot lady spunk" as well as the conventional variety. Shopvac and Bissel would need to get together to make a robotic wet/dry holodeck cleaner.



Or we go beyond the holodeck.