Am i truely a Liberal?

[Matt1970]

Can you elaborate how you arrive at your opinion?

No, but thanks for asking.

 

[Howard]

No, but thanks for asking.

 

[monovillage]

As an aside, where do you feel I am on your scale?

I'm not really sure, sorry.

 

[Jhhnn]

You fail the "Conservative" litmus tests in several regards. To be a modern Conservative, you need to be all in on the whole shebang, able to keep your nose in your leadership's buttcrack even during a triple lutz, oblivious to their changes of direction entirely. You gotta *Believe*.

GWB wasn't just talking about Saddam Hussein when he said "With Us or Against Us!"- he was talking about anybody who questioned the basic concept of truthiness in the slightest. Any deviance from that is Libruhl-ness, so you're obviously one of "them", not the blessed "us", at all. Probably a Commie, too.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Still dont consider myself a liberal in the sense you and others like you are referring to. I bet a take a hard right stance on a lot of issues you'd have trouble comprehending.

Fucking noobs.

LULZ, are you butt-hurt because you considered yourself not retarded - but everyone is telling you that you are?

Clearly you take a few social issues that you consider to be right sided such as letting gays marry, legalizing weed, and right to carry and you're automatically admitted into conservatives! YAY!~

Oh lawdy.

 

[monovillage]

You fail the "Conservative" litmus tests in several regards. To be a modern Conservative, you need to be all in on the whole shebang, able to keep your nose in your leadership's buttcrack even during a triple lutz, oblivious to their changes of direction entirely. You gotta *Believe*.

GWB wasn't just talking about Saddam Hussein when he said "With Us or Against Us!"- he was talking about anybody who questioned the basic concept of truthiness in the slightest. Any deviance from that is Libruhl-ness, so you're obviously one of "them", not the blessed "us", at all. Probably a Commie, too.

Actually Jhhnn, Bush never said that. He said

"Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You're_either_with_us,_or_against_us

If you don't know, don't put it in quotation marks.

Thanks for proving my earlier point about liberals.

 

[Jhhnn]

Actually Jhhnn, Bush never said that. He said

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You're_either_with_us,_or_against_us

If you don't know, don't put it in quotation marks.

Thanks for proving my earlier point about liberals.

Same difference, huh?

Anybody was wasn't "with us" for the invasion of Afghanistan, & "with us" for the invasion of Iraq, was obviously "with the terrorists", Americans included. That means the "appeasers", the "apologists" the Terrarist coddlin' weak kneed sissified gay marryin' Libruhls. And the French surrenderists, too. Freedom Fries!

 

[monovillage]

Same difference, huh?

Anybody was wasn't "with us" for the invasion of Afghanistan, & "with us" for the invasion of Iraq, was obviously "with the terrorists", Americans included. That means the "appeasers", the "apologists" the Terrarist coddlin' weak kneed sissified gay marryin' Libruhls. And the French surrenderists, too. Freedom Fries!

Just don't put it in quotation marks if it isn't a quote.

 

[ericlp]

Where do you stand on global warming? How about Evolution?

But to me... Pro Choice Pro, Separation of Church and State ... Pro Legalization of MJ and Anti Drug war... Come on.... All these things Romney was against. He was gonna fight MJ law tooth and nail remember?

He flip flopped on Abortion and was going to do what it took to over turn roe vs wade ... I mean the guy was a whacked out freak that actually went from pro choice to pro life ticket!!! He also is a religious fruit cake.

What's next are you seriously going to tell me you voted for the "R" camp?

Look I know D's and R's sadly are pretty sad choices and I really wish there was a better person to vote for than the people that are in office now... But I can tell you one thing I am sure glad that Romney is not in the president seat.

I guess my views are similar to your own. I think to nail it down more is when you answer the above questions. If you believe in creationism over evolution or that god is in control of the climate than... you might be left to center but if you don't than you are LEFT.... I hate to label anyone even myself. I hate to think I am part of the two party cluster fuck... So... I'll just say I don't go along with any of them and will continue my 3'rd party agenda even tho the people here that keep beating the two party drum will tell you that your throwing your vote away. In that case I might as well not vote at all... You know the Majority vote... the NO vote.

 

[Ausm]

Since I seem to get called a liberal every so often on here even though I don’t personally consider myself one, id like P&N to try and label me as best they can. The closest big party to my views is probably Libertarian (socially liberal, fiscally conservative) but even that I don’t consider myself 100% in bed with the parties views. Here are my Pro/Anti views on a lot of the major political topics. Feel free to pigeon hole as best you can. Mostly I’m a live and let live kind of person. I try not to tell others what to do unless they are harming or exploiting or infringing on others rights.

The last time I voted was for 2008 for Bob Barr only because I hate Dem and GOP more. But I don’t vote anymore (EC) as I’m sure most already know.

PRO:
Pro-Choice
Legal Immigration
Same sex marriage at a federal level with all benefit/negatives that come with it.
Gun ownership
Death penalty (in fact use it more). I’d personally be fine with public hangings.
Vigilante justice doesn’t bother me (not saying it’s right or wrong, just doesn’t bother me)
MJ legalization
Regulations on businesses, finance etc.
VERY pro separation of church and state
UHC (single payer)
Safety nets in general (welfare needs a major overhaul, no living off it for life crap, bare minimum food to survive) basically just enough that you’ll want to work to get off it.
Tax payer funded college/trade school
Strong middle class
Unions in theory (I understand that some get greedy and too powerful, then I’m against them)

ANTI:
illegal immigration
War on Drugs
Greed (stock market, profits at all costs)
World Police, Military Industrial Complex
Outsourcing, global economy (I’m fine with trading with other countries, just not exploiting them for cheap labor)
Electoral College

I’m sure there are more, and feel free to throw a topic at me and ill give me stance on it.

Let me have it

You sure as hell aren't a righty! I would classify you as a Moderate Democrat.

 

[dank69]

and your opinion is?

I'll tell you what, you link to a post where this happened and I promise I'll give you my opinion:

...

An ATP&N liberal will look at Obama's record and say "nu-uh he said it was going to be the most transparent administration evah! and it is, it is, it is!!!
...

In fact, if you admit you can't find a single post where that happened, I'll still give you my opinion. Deal?

 

[soulcougher73]

Welcome to P&N.

What the hell Pr0d1gy..you know ive been around here along time lol

 

[soulcougher73]

LULZ, are you butt-hurt because you considered yourself not retarded - but everyone is telling you that you are?

Clearly you take a few social issues that you consider to be right sided such as letting gays marry, legalizing weed, and right to carry and you're automatically admitted into conservatives! YAY!~

Oh lawdy.

I dont want to be admitted into conservatives. Id much rather be a liberal thank you very much. I view myself as in the middle maybe slightly left as the few educated posters here can see. I find hard core conservatives to controlling on personal freedoms where im a live and let live kind of person.

Not many liberals (in the sense you are referring to) are for more death penalties and ok with guns like i am. Everytime there is a thread in here about a gun shot victim im usually on the shooters side while liberals tend to jump on the victims side and try to justify what they did.

 

[soulcougher73]

Where do you stand on global warming? How about Evolution?

But to me... Pro Choice Pro, Separation of Church and State ... Pro Legalization of MJ and Anti Drug war... Come on.... All these things Romney was against. He was gonna fight MJ law tooth and nail remember?

He flip flopped on Abortion and was going to do what it took to over turn roe vs wade ... I mean the guy was a whacked out freak that actually went from pro choice to pro life ticket!!! He also is a religious fruit cake.

What's next are you seriously going to tell me you voted for the "R" camp?

Look I know D's and R's sadly are pretty sad choices and I really wish there was a better person to vote for than the people that are in office now... But I can tell you one thing I am sure glad that Romney is not in the president seat.

I guess my views are similar to your own. I think to nail it down more is when you answer the above questions. If you believe in creationism over evolution or that god is in control of the climate than... you might be left to center but if you don't than you are LEFT.... I hate to label anyone even myself. I hate to think I am part of the two party cluster fuck... So... I'll just say I don't go along with any of them and will continue my 3'rd party agenda even tho the people here that keep beating the two party drum will tell you that your throwing your vote away. In that case I might as well not vote at all... You know the Majority vote... the NO vote.

On global warming i tend to prefer to do what we can to not pollute the air as much as possible, but wether we are the cause of it i have no idea. To me that doesnt matter. It matters more trying to keep our air clean regardless.

Im an agnostic athiest so i tend to gravitate towards evolution as a very viable theory. But i dont hold onto it hard core. It doest matter much to me why we are here, just that we are and to try and make the best of it and treat other people as youd want to be treated. Death doesnt scare me.

No i would never vote R. They disgust me way more than D's do. Social issues are more important to me than fiscal issues if i had to pick one. But i prefer being able to do both

Thanks for bringing up more topics.

 

[monovillage]

I'll tell you what, you link to a post where this happened and I promise I'll give you my opinion:In fact, if you admit you can't find a single post where that happened, I'll still give you my opinion. Deal?

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2154316&highlight=openness

Lemonlaw's response. Most of the lefty posters run from the topic like it's radioactive.

 

[Pr0d1gy]

What the hell Pr0d1gy..you know ive been around here along time lol

lol Yeah, it was a sarcastic welcome. Like how did you not realize that you cannot deviate from the corporate right's every single policy without being called a liberal. I am a socially liberal conservative, yet I get called a Lib here all the time because I refuse to blindly follow the wannabe Dictators that run the Republican party.

I believe in smaller government, & actual liberty, so why doesn't the party that runs on that platform exercise those practices? Money. It all comes down to money in the end. They see an endless stream of it coming from the American people and see it is another source of profit instead of the wealth to be used for the common good that it is supposed to be. You need look no further than the billion in tax benefits that corporations get annually. Basically, we are paying these outrageous bonuses being given to corporate CEO's in a lot of cases; it's just that most people didn't realize it until the 08 bailout.

Yet here they are, defending the very people that rob them year after year. Most of them probably make a solid living, maybe $50-100k+, but do they really understand what they would be making if their heroes weren't robbing this country blind? I doubt it.

So be a liberal if that is what they want to call you, and just realize that you are saving them from themselves in the long run.

 

[dank69]

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2154316&highlight=openness

Lemonlaw's response. Most of the lefty posters run from the topic like it's radioactive.

This response?:

So if its a secret Obama award and no one knows, riddle me this, why should righty tighties or Liberals care?

404 outrage not found.

So, to you, wondering why anyone cares about your story is the same as actually saying Obama is the most transparent evah?

Do you want to give up now or find another post? Let me know either way and I'll give you my opinion when we're done here.

 

[Bowfinger]

This response?:
So, to you, wondering why anyone cares about you story is the same as actually saying Obama is the most transparent evah?

Do you want to give up now or find another post? Let me know either way and I'll give you my opinion when we're done here.

See, that's the advantage of being a mindless hack, not being constrained by reality. When he wants to attack, he just builds a straw man and starts flailing away. It's so much easier than engaging in honest, accurate discussion.

 

[Broheim]

...snip...

yes OP, you're a liberal, but in the european sense of the word.

 

[soulcougher73]

yes OP, you're a liberal, but in the european sense of the word.

So the conclusion is im a liberal...BUT...

 

[Broheim]

So the conclusion is im a liberal...BUT...

exactly

honestly the political scale in the US confuses me at times, but I suspect it's simply the result of a two party system.

I'm a european liberal btw, and your views coincide with mine for what it's worth.

 

[monovillage]

This response?:
So, to you, wondering why anyone cares about your story is the same as actually saying Obama is the most transparent evah?

Do you want to give up now or find another post? Let me know either way and I'll give you my opinion when we're done here.

Hey asshole, you asked and I delivered. Go fuck yourself.

I'll tell you what, you link to a post where this happened and I promise I'll give you my opinion:In fact, if you admit you can't find a single post where that happened, I'll still give you my opinion. Deal?

 

[tydas]

Also, to further elaborate, I'm not anti big business AT ALL. I know some products would never be available without some form of big business behind it.

For example, the CPU in your computer. That is not an item that a small start company would be able to do. However, I have a problem with big businesses preventing ANY form of competition from trying to happen. Monopolies are bad, but getting upset at a business just because it is "big" is stupid in my opinion. Being upset at them for anti business practices is different though.

Here is another differentiator, do you feel that ‘privatization’ is the way to go for certain services/ industries that could be run by government? i.e. education, healthcare, utilities, prisons, etc.
Personally, I think there a plenty of services/ industries where the public got no benefit at all from privatization unless of course you’re a shareholder of the company…

 

[dank69]

Hey asshole, you asked and I delivered. Go fuck yourself.

You absolutely did not; in any way, shape or form; deliver a post showing someone claiming that "Obama is the most transparent evah!" You fail.

 

[soulcougher73]

Here is another differentiator, do you feel that ‘privatization’ is the way to go for certain services/ industries that could be run by government? i.e. education, healthcare, utilities, prisons, etc.
Personally, I think there a plenty of services/ industries where the public got no benefit at all from privatization unless of course you’re a shareholder of the company…

I know this wasnt directed at me, but since im the OP ill share my views.

I basically have the same opinion as you overall. Once profit is introduced the services get worse. Certain things need to remain state and/or government run for the betterment of humanity.