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Am I the only one who thinks this whole "Hate Crime" thing is ridiculous?

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Brutuskend

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I mean lets face it. 99.9% of the time you get into a confrontation with someone were it ends up coming to blows a certain amount of hate is involved, even if it's only temporary.
But if the other person is of a different race or religion, it's automatically a HATE CRIME. Yet I don't think I've ever heard of a white guy who gets attacked by a black guy (or Jewish guy or WHAT have you) calling THAT a hate crime.

I understand the intent of this law, however I think it's gone WAY too far.

Am I alone here on this one?
 
Of course all crimes involve some hatred. But all crimes involve some form of insanity as well. A sane person wouldn't criminally kill another. So does that mean that all murders, and all crimes should be determined to be innocent by reason of insanity? No, of course not. The key determination is whether that person is far more insane than the normal criminal.

The same logic should be applied to hate crimes. Is far MORE hate than usual involved? Skin color shouldn't matter - if significantly more hate is involved then it should be a hate crime. White on black, black on white, or any color in between it shouldn't matter.
Originally posted by: Brutuskend
I understand the intent of this law, however I think it's gone WAY too far.
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Care to give examples? I'm not saying it hasn't been abused. But I'm just curious as to what specifically bothers you.
 
Minority lobbyist put through legislations that make crimes committed by non minorites worse than the crimes they commit. However when minorites commit the majority of crimes, I guess it makes some sense?
 
Originally posted by: Rebasxer
Minority lobbyist put through legislations that make crimes committed by non minorites worse than the crimes they commit. However when minorites commit the majority of crimes, I guess it makes some sense?
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sad but true...ftw?
 
Originally posted by: dullard
Originally posted by: Brutuskend
I understand the intent of this law, however I think it's gone WAY too far.
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Care to give examples?
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For instance. how does one know THIS had anything to do with him being black? Actually he's only HALF black. If a black guy had been the perp., couldn't in still have been a hate crime carried out against a white guy? 😉
 
Originally posted by: Brutuskend
For instance. how does one know THIS had anything to do with him being black? Actually he's only HALF black. If a black guy had been the perp., couldn't in still have been a hate crime carried out against a white guy? 😉
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I fail to see why this: "yelling racial insults and threatening to kill Taylor" isn't hate. Color shouldn't matter. If the roles were reversed, it should still be considered hate.

I guess I fail to see why assaulting someone and threatening to kill them shouldn't be given a tough sentence.
 
Originally posted by: dullard
Originally posted by: Brutuskend
For instance. how does one know THIS had anything to do with him being black? Actually he's only HALF black. If a black guy had been the perp., couldn't in still have been a hate crime carried out against a white guy? 😉
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I fail to see why this: "yelling racial insults and threatening to kill Taylor" isn't hate. Color shouldn't matter. If the roles were reversed, it should still be considered hate.
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I agree 100%. The problem is that this Hate Crime law seems to only be used where color or religion is a factor. Like I said in my original post, ANYTIME one comes to blows or other violence against another HATE is involved. But the law is always (as far as I know) used when there is a difference between the two people involving color or religion.

I'm short, and I've been called names relating to THAT face before when in confrontations, yet THAT wouldn't be considered a Hate Crime would it. It SHOULD be for sure, but the law isn't being used that way!
 
Originally posted by: Brutuskend
I mean lets face it. 99.9% of the time you get into a confrontation with someone were it ends up coming to blows a certain amount of hate is involved, even if it's only temporary.
But if the other person is of a different race or religion, it's automatically a HATE CRIME. Yet I don't think I've ever heard of a white guy who gets attacked by a black guy (or Jewish guy or WHAT have you) calling THAT a hate crime.

I understand the intent of this law, however I think it's gone WAY too far.

Am I alone here on this one?
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you inspire interesting threads. :thumbsup:

i think the term is a catch-all, and just a means to escalate the matter at hand.

 
South Park already did it.
Link (SPOILERS)


But remember, South Park is only toilet humour and has no real message to tell people, so don't act like it means anything. It's South Park, it's for immature kids :roll:
 
The law makes sense to me, however I think it's abused sometimes. I think the other case on the front page (2 white guys beat up a hispanic guy for kissing a white girl) is a HATE crime. A white guy beating up a hispanic guy over a parking spot argument is not a hate crime. As long jury and prosecutors can make that distinction I'm fine with it.
 
Originally posted by: Argo
The law makes sense to me, however I think it's abused sometimes. I think the other case on the front page (2 white guys beat up a hispanic guy for kissing a white girl) is a HATE crime. A white guy beating up a hispanic guy over a parking spot argument is not a hate crime. As long jury and prosecutors can make that distinction I'm fine with it.
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:thumbsup:
 
Originally posted by: dullard
A sane person wouldn't kill another.
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That's not true at all. I consider myself sane and wouldn't think twice about killing anyone who decides to break into my house or to someone who's threatening the life of me or my wife. Or think about all of the soldiers in history who were forced into service to kill others. "Sane" killings happen all of the time.

Back on topic, I too agree that the hate crime line is WAY too thin.

 
Originally posted by: tweakmm
Why don't you care about black people?
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Who said I don't care about black people?

Equality is just that EQUAL. Yet the way things are these days many people want to be MORE than equal...
 
Originally posted by: Argo
The law makes sense to me, however I think it's abused sometimes. I think the other case on the front page (2 white guys beat up a hispanic guy for kissing a white girl) is a HATE crime. A white guy beating up a hispanic guy over a parking spot argument is not a hate crime. As long jury and prosecutors can make that distinction I'm fine with it.
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why is that a "hate crime"?
the 2 white guys beating up the hispanic guy for kissing a white girl would've beat up ANY guy for kissing a girl one of them was obviously hot for.

 
Originally posted by: Brutuskend
Originally posted by: tweakmm
Why don't you care about black people?
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Who said I don't care about black people?

Equality is just that EQUAL. Yet the way things are these days many people want to be MORE than equal...
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here was just going all Kanye West on your a$s 😉
 
Depends entirely on the situation. Two skinheads beating a hispanic kid nearly to death (I'm assuming he hasn't died-haven't been following the story) for kissing a white girl? Yeah, I'd call that a hate crime.
 
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
If you kicked some brithers ass after calling him a n***** is it considered a hate crime?
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I got in fights with civilians when I has in the service. They obviously hated Marines, yet I doubt they would have been charged with a hate crime if there had been such a thing at the time.
 
I say most beatings are hate crimes. You do it because you really want to see a person suffer. Helps release your pent up rage.
 
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