Bush called it 'an important milestone in IRaq".....all feelings about bush or iraq aside, am I the only one perturbed by the thought of a hanging being an important milestone in ANY country's history? Seems like a barbaric precedent
Originally posted by: TehMac
Well lets see: When Reagan was in power, the Soviets were trying to leech oil, and the arbas didn't want that. Neither did Reagan. So he armed the Arabs against the soviets, the soviets got kicked out by stingers and aks.
So if he hadn't done anything and sat on his ass like the democrats, the middle east might have potentially been a united communist state.
At the time communism was more of a threat than terrorism. You know, I'll put in terms dumb enough for even you to understand. You wipe your ass after you take a dump, not before. Thats what we did. I hope that clears it up for you.
Remember kids, there's no evil worse than a collective economic system.
judasmachine
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i'm not excited by this. however, Saddam Hussein deserves to die. although i suppose rotting in jail the rest of his life might be crueler.
IAteYourMother
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I didn't get all giddy when McVeigh died, or when anyone dies for that matter. Why would I over Hussein?
It is fitting that a man who (seemingly) had never valued another human life would find himself in a position where he would not value even his own.
I continue to reject capital punishment. Even the madmen of the world deserve to be able to choose life (though I'm all in favor of voluntary capital punishment, FWIW).
Personally, I see an execution as a drama, and all you fans, giddy at the notion of death-as-justice, applaud, some quietly, some loudly. You are given the sense of finality, of resolution, and I believe that's what the powers involved intend. But it's a false finality, an end to a matter that became irrelevant long ago. The play continues with the more recent plot: more bombs will explode tomorrow, killing more soldiers and civilians, further undermining the law and order that we seek to establish; but instead we celebrate the illusion that legal justice is like the real thing.
Aw, ****** it, I'm just mindlessly ranting/raging at YASD and further waste of human life---then again, Saddam became a waste of a human life a long time ago.
I'm not in the mood for watching execution footage (assuming it's even out there---yet), but I am curious to know if they screwed up the drop height by chance. You know, the true objective of hanging is to break the neck: if the condemned doesn't drop far enough, he suffocates; and if he drops too far, you get fun results like eyes popping out, or if it's really bad, the head can come off. It's still probably better than good ol' beheading by sword or axe; you're very lucky if the executioner gets you in one blow. Speaking of beheading, IIRC, the Nazis used Guillotines, sometimes face up. And don't even get me started about the horrors of the electric chair: when a man's brains end up oozing out of the top of the head and down the side, and he's been run through for several multiple-minute sessions, I think we can safely call that barbarism. Also, they put a big stopper in your anus, because you otherwise defecate out that last meal like nobody's business. And I know there are a few nice stories about gas chambers: sometimes, the hydrogen cyanide makes the condemned spasm uncontrollably for a while---why they can't use something more humane (and safer to boot) like carbon monoxide, I'll never know---if it's good enough for puppies, it should be good enough for mass murderers, right? Oh, and did you know that the advice they offer you is to just breathe the gas in, and to not try to hold your breath? Such might even contribute to the previously described fun. I'm not touching lethal injection, because I hate needles.
Heh, I just had an amusing idea: go through all the motions of the execution, but secretly detach the noose, so that (and I'm assuming they used a trap door version) when he thinks he's going to die, he instead just falls through (maybe onto some mats to break his fall). If that doesn't ****** with your head, I don't know what does. Man, can we (humans) be sadistic ****** or what?
Yeah, I think I'm going to go take my anti-anxiety medicine now. And probably an acetaminophen. And I could use a brain scrubber.
I continue to reject capital punishment. Even the madmen of the world deserve to be able to choose life (though I'm all in favor of voluntary capital punishment, FWIW).
Personally, I see an execution as a drama, and all you fans, giddy at the notion of death-as-justice, applaud, some quietly, some loudly. You are given the sense of finality, of resolution, and I believe that's what the powers involved intend. But it's a false finality, an end to a matter that became irrelevant long ago. The play continues with the more recent plot: more bombs will explode tomorrow, killing more soldiers and civilians, further undermining the law and order that we seek to establish; but instead we celebrate the illusion that legal justice is like the real thing.
Aw, ****** it, I'm just mindlessly ranting/raging at YASD and further waste of human life---then again, Saddam became a waste of a human life a long time ago.
I'm not in the mood for watching execution footage (assuming it's even out there---yet), but I am curious to know if they screwed up the drop height by chance. You know, the true objective of hanging is to break the neck: if the condemned doesn't drop far enough, he suffocates; and if he drops too far, you get fun results like eyes popping out, or if it's really bad, the head can come off. It's still probably better than good ol' beheading by sword or axe; you're very lucky if the executioner gets you in one blow. Speaking of beheading, IIRC, the Nazis used Guillotines, sometimes face up. And don't even get me started about the horrors of the electric chair: when a man's brains end up oozing out of the top of the head and down the side, and he's been run through for several multiple-minute sessions, I think we can safely call that barbarism. Also, they put a big stopper in your anus, because you otherwise defecate out that last meal like nobody's business. And I know there are a few nice stories about gas chambers: sometimes, the hydrogen cyanide makes the condemned spasm uncontrollably for a while---why they can't use something more humane (and safer to boot) like carbon monoxide, I'll never know---if it's good enough for puppies, it should be good enough for mass murderers, right? Oh, and did you know that the advice they offer you is to just breathe the gas in, and to not try to hold your breath? Such might even contribute to the previously described fun. I'm not touching lethal injection, because I hate needles.
Heh, I just had an amusing idea: go through all the motions of the execution, but secretly detach the noose, so that (and I'm assuming they used a trap door version) when he thinks he's going to die, he instead just falls through (maybe onto some mats to break his fall). If that doesn't ****** with your head, I don't know what does.
Man, can we (humans) be sadistic ****** or what?Yeah, I think I'm going to go take my anti-anxiety medicine now. And probably an acetaminophen. And I could use a brain scrubber.
I'm pretty much indifferent about the whole thing. I think he deserved the death penalty, but I don't think it needs to be publicized.
I am not happy like most people who act like they are thirsty for blood.
He was already in custody, he was not going to cause any more problems. Now he is dead. What has changed? Nothing in my mind.
He was already in custody, he was not going to cause any more problems. Now he is dead. What has changed? Nothing in my mind.
alkemyst
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I really don't know how to feel here.
Saddam was favored by the US not so long ago, but then again Hitler was Time Magazine's man of the year (decade?)...
his son's were crap though...but not much different than many kids born into a majorly rich and powerful life. I hope they were told they were doing badly by the parents though ahead of time...even here in the USA parents will defend their social misfit even in court and GOD help the person that moves in to tell Little Johnny that he should not be spray painting clothes in a clothes shop (I witnessed this and she told the lady if she ever corrected her son again she'd 'kill her dead on the spot'...I chimed in and then a few others forunately).
Still all said and done, there are a lot here in the sweet ole' US doing major evil.
I don't pick my teams based on the soil I was born on, nor the race I was born into, neither the color of my skin, my religion or my income.
ALL OF THESE ARE USED TO SWAY THE COMMON MAN!
I have no power to change the snowball that got sent rollin' more than 1000 years ago. Those that had power in the beginning sometimes got wiped out, but sometimes kept building that power up.
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Saddam was favored by the US not so long ago, but then again Hitler was Time Magazine's man of the year (decade?)...
his son's were crap though...but not much different than many kids born into a majorly rich and powerful life. I hope they were told they were doing badly by the parents though ahead of time...even here in the USA parents will defend their social misfit even in court and GOD help the person that moves in to tell Little Johnny that he should not be spray painting clothes in a clothes shop (I witnessed this and she told the lady if she ever corrected her son again she'd 'kill her dead on the spot'...I chimed in and then a few others forunately).
Still all said and done, there are a lot here in the sweet ole' US doing major evil.
I don't pick my teams based on the soil I was born on, nor the race I was born into, neither the color of my skin, my religion or my income.
ALL OF THESE ARE USED TO SWAY THE COMMON MAN!
I have no power to change the snowball that got sent rollin' more than 1000 years ago. Those that had power in the beginning sometimes got wiped out, but sometimes kept building that power up.
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exactly. that piece of ****** deserved it, im glad it happened. Watched the video, happy about it. fvcker.
NFS4
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Chaotic42
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Kind of like it's Budweiser's fault when someone gets drunk and kills some one, or H&K's fault when someone gets gunned down, right?
So you want to hang the government officials. Okay. Where did they get the money from? Who voted them into office? How far should it go back?
I couldn't care less about Saddam. What makes me uneasy is knowing that millions of Americans are going to go to bed tonight thinking that the War on Terror is now over, and that the man responsible for 9/11 has finally been punished.
What the ****** is wrong with you people? He might have deserved to die, a horrible horrible death, but to make it celebrated? To make it a joyous occasion? The man should die, just like any other person.
The fact that people celebrate this is barbaric, not a hell of alot better than him, so much for our 'moral sophistication' that gives us the right to try and execute him.
Somehow some the american public seems to view this as 'cool', this is ****** up.
The fact that people celebrate this is barbaric, not a hell of alot better than him, so much for our 'moral sophistication' that gives us the right to try and execute him.
Somehow some the american public seems to view this as 'cool', this is ****** up.
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