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Am I the only one who doesn't care if they ever find "WMD"?

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heartsurgeon

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for those of you who think Bush lied...what about these folks...

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." -- From a letter signed by Joe Lieberman, Dianne Feinstein, Barbara A. Milulski, Tom Daschle, & John Kerry among others on October 9, 1998

"Saddam's goal ... is to achieve the lifting of U.N. sanctions while retaining and enhancing Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs. We cannot, we must not and we will not let him succeed." -- Madeline Albright, 1998

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retained some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capability. Intelligence reports also indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons, but has not yet achieved nuclear capability." -- Robert Byrd, October 2002

"What is at stake is how to answer the potential threat Iraq represents with the risk of proliferation of WMD. Baghdad's regime did use such weapons in the past. Today, a number of evidences may lead to think that, over the past four years, in the absence of international inspectors, this country has continued armament programs." -- Jacques Chirac, October 16, 2002

"The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow." -- Bill Clinton in 1998

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security." -- Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002

"I am absolutely convinced that there are weapons...I saw evidence back in 1998 when we would see the inspectors being barred from gaining entry into a warehouse for three hours with trucks rolling up and then moving those trucks out." -- Clinton's Secretary of Defense William Cohen in April of 2003

"Iraq is not the only nation in the world to possess weapons of mass destruction, but it is the only nation with a leader who has used them against his own people." -- Tom Daschle in 1998

"I share the administration's goals in dealing with Iraq and its weapons of mass destruction." -- Dick Gephardt in September of 2002

"Iraq does pose a serious threat to the stability of the Persian Gulf and we should organize an international coalition to eliminate his access to weapons of mass destruction. Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to completely deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." -- Al Gore, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." -- Bob Graham, December 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." -- Ted Kennedy, September 27, 2002

"As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." -- Nancy Pelosi, December 16, 1998

"Even today, Iraq is not nearly disarmed. Based on highly credible intelligence, UNSCOM [the U.N. weapons inspectors] suspects that Iraq still has biological agents like anthrax, botulinum toxin, and clostridium perfringens in sufficient quantity to fill several dozen bombs and ballistic missile warheads, as well as the means to continue manufacturing these deadly agents. Iraq probably retains several tons of the highly toxic VX substance, as well as sarin nerve gas and mustard gas. This agent is stored in artillery shells, bombs, and ballistic missile warheads. And Iraq retains significant dual-use industrial infrastructure that can be used to rapidly reconstitute large-scale chemical weapons production." -- Ex-Un Weapons Inspector Scott Ritter in 1998


this whole thing is politics...the "war" with Iraq/Hussein is old news. you can't take it back. this is about trying to get Bush out and a democrat in the white house.
this is about trying to whitewash Clinton's failings by smearing everyother president and trying to make them look worse than clinton.

it's really rich that the dems are trying to argue that Bush has lied, when clinton was disbarred for perjury.

why do you think all the old crap about JFK screwing young girls in the back seat of cars is coming out now (some 30-40 years after the fact)..to try and make
clinton look "normal" (well if JFK did it, it must be alright).

come on folk's..this is good old fashioned hardball politics...let's not get carried away and try to claim this is about morality....
 

n0cmonkey

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Originally posted by: heartsurgeon

come on folk's..this is good old fashioned hardball politics...let's not get carried away and try to claim this is about morality....
Tell that to Bush.
 

Nitemare

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Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
So if you knew a kid on your block whose parents beat him(black eyes, broken arms gaping wounds) and threatened him you would not intervene because that would not be your place? You would not call the police or CPS?
So you believe that the role of the U.S. in the new world order is to be the policeman? Have you made up your list of sovereign governments and checked it twice? Do you know who's been naughty and nice?
Those that commit genocide and kill their own people as well as threaten others with WMD tend to make the list
 

n0cmonkey

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Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
So if you knew a kid on your block whose parents beat him(black eyes, broken arms gaping wounds) and threatened him you would not intervene because that would not be your place? You would not call the police or CPS?
So you believe that the role of the U.S. in the new world order is to be the policeman? Have you made up your list of sovereign governments and checked it twice? Do you know who's been naughty and nice?
Those that commit genocide and kill their own people as well as threaten others with WMD tend to make the list
And we ignore the less sexy targets. All or none. None of this selective morality crap.
 

Nitemare

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Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
So if you knew a kid on your block whose parents beat him(black eyes, broken arms gaping wounds) and threatened him you would not intervene because that would not be your place? You would not call the police or CPS?
So you believe that the role of the U.S. in the new world order is to be the policeman? Have you made up your list of sovereign governments and checked it twice? Do you know who's been naughty and nice?
Those that commit genocide and kill their own people as well as threaten others with WMD tend to make the list
And we ignore the less sexy targets. All or none. None of this selective morality crap.
I don't see any one else lifting a finger
 

n0cmonkey

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Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
So if you knew a kid on your block whose parents beat him(black eyes, broken arms gaping wounds) and threatened him you would not intervene because that would not be your place? You would not call the police or CPS?
So you believe that the role of the U.S. in the new world order is to be the policeman? Have you made up your list of sovereign governments and checked it twice? Do you know who's been naughty and nice?
Those that commit genocide and kill their own people as well as threaten others with WMD tend to make the list
And we ignore the less sexy targets. All or none. None of this selective morality crap.
I don't see any one else lifting a finger
What I tried to say is that we are ignoring countries like China and going after no-names like Iraq. We have given the world the finger in order to further our political and economic goals, and we are lied to about it.
 

Moonbeam

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It's not easy to come to the grips with the fact that your patriotism is used for murder and gain by a small cadre of the enlightened, the neocons. It has always been human fate for the simple to be used. Fortunately, their simplicity protects them from bad dreams.
 
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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
It's not easy to come to the grips with the fact that your patriotism is used for murder and gain by a small cadre of the enlightened, the neocons. It has always been human fate for the simple to be used. Fortunately, their simplicity protects them from bad dreams.
Thanks, MB, for a fine example of irony.

 

LunarRay

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
It's not easy to come to the grips with the fact that your patriotism is used for murder and gain by a small cadre of the enlightened, the neocons. It has always been human fate for the simple to be used. Fortunately, their simplicity protects them from bad dreams.
Bad dreams seem to occur while awake in some cases. Especially when the simple tote the barge and fire the weapon... and at times die...

Heroof,
Irony... nah... enigma maybe... reality ... for sure.
 

UltraQuiet

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Especially when the simple tote the barge and fire the weapon..
It has always been human fate for the simple to be used. Fortunately, their simplicity protects them from bad dreams.
I'll ask you both to explain that so I don't misinterpret it.
 

LunarRay

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Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet
Especially when the simple tote the barge and fire the weapon..
It has always been human fate for the simple to be used. Fortunately, their simplicity protects them from bad dreams.
I'll ask you both to explain that so I don't misinterpret it.

The elite, it seems, occupy positions of comfort when the call comes to carry the burden or in times of war, to carry the weapon. (in context of what Moonbeam said)
 

Moonbeam

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It has always been human fate for the simple to be used. Fortunately, their simplicity protects them from bad dreams.
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Classic psychoanalytic theory, I'd say, dressed up for the occasion. The whole theory of the unconscious is that we have feelings we are unaware of and for the reason that it is painful to be aware of them. The psychologically unsophisticated, those who are completely unaware that they have this other inner life, and those who may have heard, but choose to ignore for exactly the predicted reasons we can refer to as the simple. We could call them ignorant, naive, self blinded, sheep, any of a number of names, all of various applicability or accuracy. One of the features of unconsciousness is that it depends on a quiet medium to maintain itself. That medium, like rafting down denile, when probed releases the inner forces in struggle for stasis. Our conformity was bought at the price of our soul. We died to be called normal. We would rather kill than remember that death. These are some of the reasons it's so hard to wake up. We have no idea just how far down the rabbit hole we've been. The awakening to discover oneself to be a battery pales in comparison to the real facts. Try to imagine playing the part of the Hulk but as a little child. Bye Bye my little friend. Or try to wake somebody up. Goodness they can get unpleasant, but what's a guy to do. No batter what you do, light bothers those in the dark. Would you prefer to stay there?

Edit: I see my answer's incomplete. In life it doesn't take long for certain types I call the cunning, those who pervert intelligence for personal gain at the expense of others, the cleaver, the manipulators, to discover that people's natural disinclination to examine their own motivation, invisible to themselves, but as plain as the nose on your face to the cunning, offers the manipulator a perfect tool to control others. What do people want. Happiness, security, comfort and acceptance, especially acceptance are some of the tools the cleaver use to control others. You can put the rest together now I think. He who is self generating cannot be controled. That person can be you. With that hope in mind, please fire away. :D
 

Raspewtin

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I care. When a war is fought for one reason and then justified for another reason afterwards, we see the beginnings of a evil regime IMO. It does not matter what the reasons are.
 

LunarRay

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Originally posted by: burnedout
for those of you who think Bush lied...what about these folks...
Uh, maybe they lied too? :Q

;)

The author of the quote you quoted is clever... notice the oblique move... even though the full context is absent...:)
 

burnedout

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Originally posted by: HJD1
Originally posted by: burnedout
for those of you who think Bush lied...what about these folks...
Uh, maybe they lied too? :Q

;)

The author of the quote you quoted is clever... notice the oblique move... even though the full context is absent...:)
Why repost a 1000 word essay when the average attention span here hovers around 11.3 seconds? ;)

 

LunarRay

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;)

It takes me hours to get through some of the stuff and links and all... some must read for nano seconds.:)

I know.... "isn't it obvious"

Sometimes.. .but, some are alot quicker.

I know.... "that should be obvious too"

ok your turn..;)
 

burnedout

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Originally posted by: HJD1


It takes me hours to get through some of the stuff and links and all... some must read for nano seconds.:)

I know.... "isn't it obvious"

Sometimes.. .but, some are alot quicker.

I know.... "that should be obvious too"

ok your turn..;)
I prefer to call it "selective reading". A typical gen x/gen y affliction. ;)
 

LunarRay

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Burndout,
I prefer to call it "selective reading". A typical gen x/gen y affliction.

What I read always means something differen't the second time through... to me, I like to be confused, I suppose.;)

Gen x,y is that the same as yuppie puppy pups?:)
 

burnedout

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Originally posted by: HJD1
Burndout,
I prefer to call it "selective reading". A typical gen x/gen y affliction.

What I read always means something differen't the second time through... to me, I like to be confused, I suppose.;)

Gen x,y is that the same as yuppie puppy pups?:)
<big laugh>Yep. You pegged it right on the nose. :)
 

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