Am I the only one having bad luck with Corsair XMS RAM?

Zap

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I bought some Corsair XMS 2GB kit from Monarch a number of weeks ago (TWINX2048-3200C2). The first pair had a bad module that would cause motherboards to not POST, just sit there "beeeeeep." The second module was perfectly fine. Got an RMA number and sent them both off because that was recommended to keep a "matched pair." Got a pair back and system boots up fine but won't pass Memtest86+ v1.65, hundreds of thousands of errors. That's with trying to run the RAM totally at specified ratings of 2-3-3-6 dual channel 2.75v DDR400. CPU isn't even overclocked (yet...). Posting at the RAM Guy forums (Corsair's official support forums) and they suggest I test with memory set to "auto" in BIOS. Sure, that sets RAM to 3-3-3-8, not what I paid for. I have some Corsair ValueSelect 2GB kit that does better than that for a lot less money.
 
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Originally posted by: Zap
I bought some Corsair XMS 2GB kit from Monarch a number of weeks ago (TWINX2048-3200C2). The first pair had a bad module that would cause motherboards to not POST, just sit there "beeeeeep." The second module was perfectly fine. Got an RMA number and sent them both off because that was recommended to keep a "matched pair." Got a pair back and system boots up fine but won't pass Memtest86+ v1.65, hundreds of thousands of errors. That's with trying to run the RAM totally at specified ratings of 2-3-3-6 dual channel 2.75v DDR400. CPU isn't even overclocked (yet...). Posting at the RAM Guy forums (Corsair's official support forums) and they suggest I test with memory set to "auto" in BIOS. Sure, that sets RAM to 3-3-3-8, not what I paid for. I have some Corsair ValueSelect 2GB kit that does better than that for a lot less money.


I also had the same problem in my current rig. I went from 1GB of Hyper-X to 2 GB of the same XMS you are using. I had to run my voltage @ 2.75-2.8V in order to pass Prime95 blend for 12 hours. I also had to run 2.5-3-2 even with the higher voltage, as Corsair states on their website the ram isn't guaranteed to do CAS 2 in an AMD based system. After a few days of trying every possible combination, I decided to RMA the ram back to NewEgg and I went with the 2GB OC EL PC4000. After having the OCZ for the last week, I couldn't be happier, and will always consider their ram first next time I upgade.
 

Zap

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I've tried in two boards, Biostar Tforce6100-939 and DFI Ultra-D, tried in various slots, tried various voltages... it definately passes at CAS 3, haven't tried CAS 2.5 yet. Problem is that it was sold as CAS 2 and the Corsair specs say that it was tested at 2-3-3-6 on both Intel and AMD platforms. My G.Skill ZX worked flawlessly from the get go, and even kept CAS 2 latency at slightly overclocked speeds. My Corsair ValueSelect works fine at CAS 2.5 at 417MHz, lower latency and higher speed than specified, all at default 2.6v. Heck I have some Geil memory that's running CAS 2 at 440MHz. My experience so far with my first (since RMA, second) set of Corsair XMS has been anything but pleasant.
 

furballi

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I'd ask for my $ back since the RAM would not run at specs. All Corsair VS modules (2 x 512) purchased from Fry's this year were able to run at +233MHz with 2.5-3-3-6-1T timing. Default Vdimm is 2.65.

My most recent kit had S/N 0604027-0-632838.

 

Zap

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Well, I purchased it from... drum roll please... Monarch. They state really clearly that they won't accept RMA on RAM for any reason - no returns and no vendor warranty, manufacturer's warranty only.

*SIGH*

Tested out one stick at a time. One will pass Memtest only at CAS 3, the other will pass at CAS 2.5. Neither will do CAS 2 as advertised. Note that as I'm testing these, NOTHING is overclocked. Completely stock CPU speeds and all RAM latencies are AUTO except for CAS.
 

furballi

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Wow...that's a horrible return policy. Fry's has superb return policy. That's why I only purchase RAMs from Fry's and Circuit City. CC tends to favor Kingston or Corsair.

You could continue to work with Corsair. I'd e-mail Corsair about your problem and ask if they can hand-pick a pair that will meet specs for you. Try setting the RAM manually to spec. It may work as advertised!
 

Zap

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See above. I did manually set it. If it is set all Auto, detects SPD at CAS 3 even though the sticker on the module says CAS 2.
 

furballi

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OK, my bad. I'd pass-on what you've done to Corsair and request a set of hand-picked module that has passed QA.
 
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Originally posted by: Zap
I've tried in two boards, Biostar Tforce6100-939 and DFI Ultra-D, tried in various slots, tried various voltages... it definately passes at CAS 3, haven't tried CAS 2.5 yet. Problem is that it was sold as CAS 2 and the Corsair specs say that it was tested at 2-3-3-6 on both Intel and AMD platforms. My G.Skill ZX worked flawlessly from the get go, and even kept CAS 2 latency at slightly overclocked speeds. My Corsair ValueSelect works fine at CAS 2.5 at 417MHz, lower latency and higher speed than specified, all at default 2.6v. Heck I have some Geil memory that's running CAS 2 at 440MHz. My experience so far with my first (since RMA, second) set of Corsair XMS has been anything but pleasant.


That link is quite intersting, as it is the same PDF I looked at before, only they seemed to have changed the timings from 2.5 to 2 on the AMD tested system. Either way, like I said I was having the same problem, and they said it was due to the AMD only being able to run @ CAS 2.5
 

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I just installed a pair of those sticks (2x1GB 3200C) without any problems this afternoon. Passed memtest86 at 2-3-3-6. Maybe just dumb luck, but maybe a motherboard issue? I picked these over the OCZ or G.Skill because they were specifically listed on the compatibility list for my A8N-E.
 

Edzard

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Originally posted by: Zap
I've tried in two boards, Biostar Tforce6100-939 and DFI Ultra-D, tried in various slots, tried various voltages... it definately passes at CAS 3, haven't tried CAS 2.5 yet. Problem is that it was sold as CAS 2 and the Corsair specs say that it was tested at 2-3-3-6 on both Intel and AMD platforms. My G.Skill ZX worked flawlessly from the get go, and even kept CAS 2 latency at slightly overclocked speeds. My Corsair ValueSelect works fine at CAS 2.5 at 417MHz, lower latency and higher speed than specified, all at default 2.6v. Heck I have some Geil memory that's running CAS 2 at 440MHz. My experience so far with my first (since RMA, second) set of Corsair XMS has been anything but pleasant.

Have you experimented any with the Command Rate timing - trying 2T versus 1T? If not, it might be worth a shot.

It might also be helpful to know which core you're running - would you please post full processor specs?

Also, note the statement in the Corsair document:

"Dual channel testing environment
==> 200MHz Canterwood based test setup"

 

Zap

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Canterwood = 875P right?

CPU used = Opteron 144

Don't think I've tried 2T yet...
 

Edzard

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Edited: 4-11-2006. Although mentioned with regard to I875, the first link in the original post wasn't actually very relevant to I875, so the verbiage used to introduce that link was changed. Added some comments relating to the first link. Also added the following:

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Originally posted by: Zap
Tested out one stick at a time. One will pass Memtest only at CAS 3, the other will pass at CAS 2.5. Neither will do CAS 2 as advertised. Note that as I'm testing these, NOTHING is overclocked. Completely stock CPU speeds and all RAM latencies are AUTO except for CAS.

The memory is erratic and I vote that you return the modules any way you can. I think the "RamGuy" would be would be your best shot in that regard.
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Originally posted by: Zap
Canterwood = 875P right?

Yep - Canterwood is Intel 875P

With regard to memory and timings, the following might be informative:

http://www.madshrimps.be/?action=getarticle&number=1&artpage=1014&articID=258

Note that the article is dated 2004-11-30 and is S754 oriented - well before the later 939 socket and the latest cores and their improvements to the memory controller. But also note the following statement in that article:

I discovered 2 values which increased performance significantly with these TCCD modules:

DQS Skew Contol: Increase Skew
DRAM Drive Strenght: Level 1

These netted me an increase of ~10Mhz when overclocking at CL2.5 3-3-10. They did not impact OC potential at tight timings though.

If your BIOS has the two parameters noted above, you might try some experiments with those parameters as well.

I've had direct experience with Corsair memory on two occasions.

My first use of Corsair was when I used their 512MB PC133 CL2 modules in 5 PCs for which I provided specifications in 2001. I wanted 1GB of PC133 memory in each box (A7V-133 R1.05 motherboards). At the time, Corsair was the only company providing such modules, which were built using binned Micron chips. We ended up buying 10 of these modules and every one worked perfectly. I was pleased - Corsair had lived up to their good brand name (and high price).

But my second experience with Corsair modules, which co-incided with some reasonably lengthy research I did in determining which memory modules use TCCD chips, considerably tarnished Corsair's reputation in my eyes. I now think of Corsair as "just another memory manufacturer" who seemingly is coasting on their reputation.

What happened? First, I bought a 512MB stick of Corsair PC3200 memory, model CMX512-3200C2PT that was advertised as "new" on eBay. Within one day after that auction ended, I discovered this database:

http://www.techpowerup.com/memdb/

When the Corsair memory arrived, I noted that its revision number was XMS3202 V1.1 (from the database, Winbond BH-6 chips) - if this memory was "new", at best it was "new old stock." I installed it in my VNF3-250 (E6 Sempy) and it didn't work - long beeps. But when I installed it in an ASUS A7V600-X motherboard using the Via KT600 chipset (Athlon XP processor), it worked just fine and passed 6+ hours of continuous memtest86 testing. So I sold it together with the A7V600-X.

I suggest you take a hard look at the revision codes on your memory.

But I've digressed a bit - let's focus on that database. Consider, for example, the entry for "Corsair XMS-PC3200C2 Rev4.2 " Corsair produced those modules using Samsung TCCD and Samsung TCC5 memory chips. Huh? They used different chips on a given model designation of memory module and didn't even bother to at least change the revision number? That can't exactly please those of us who like to match memory modules right down to matching the memory chips. Thus there is a down side to the current widespread use of heat spreaders on memory modules - those spreaders hide the memory chips. But that may not matter much since the markings on many memory chips nowadays don't reveal their true maker (and that maker's model designation).

To be fair, Corsair's offenses along these lines pale in comparison to similar transgressions by other memory makers, particularly Kingston.

And I haven't even touched on the PCBs used in the various memory modules. See:

http://www.legitreviews.com/article.php?aid=53&pid=1

The article is rather dated - Oct 21, 2004 - but the point it makes probably still applies. I wonder if Corsair changes the Revision number for a given module when they change its PCB.

But I admit - I'm somewhat "picking on" Corsair, probably because their module didn't work in my VNF3-250. In terms of identifying changes to memory modules, they may be better than most with regard to identifying changes to memory modules - they've seemingly got Kingston beaten "like a drum" in this regard.

 

sieistganzfett

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well at least your ram works at auto, mine failed memtest even at auto on just a pathetic ddr333 at the 2.8v after first rma! when i bought them the one stick of TWINX1024-3200C2 didnt post either... here is a nice quote i emailed to their rma dept. which seems to be just one person who is seemed to be the "rma girl"...

so therfore it is not a problem with either of my motherboards, it is a problem with this one stick of memory that is bad, or goes bad after a short time of use constantly. Also when I received the nonworking stick of memory back, the one heatspreader on it is falling off when it is touched, the other side does not do this, the working stick does not have this occur. I can not keep sending the memory back to corsair until it works properly since shipping is not free both ways. Please send me a working pair of any 2x512MB at ddr400 when I send this in for RMA if this pair will not work flawlessly for me.

however, they sent me a pair of xms sticks with different numbers, so i knew it would be working, and it worked, it passed diag and i have been using this pc to run prime95 24/7 to look for a primes for 4 months now. and they paid for shipping on the way back to them via a # for ups... so im content, however i can only get memtest to pass indefinitely, etc. at 3-3-3-8, not the faster speed i paid for, but eh... it was on sale back then.. but i will never buy corsair xms again, value ram only.
 

GeezerMan

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Well, I have spent a lot of time on this problem myself. Running a Asus A8N-E and AMD 4200+ X 2 dual core
Spent the bucks to get the TwinX2048-3200C2
Mine passes Prime95 and Memtest, at 2 3 3 6, only in a certain inserted order in my A8N-E. It also passes memtest one stick at a time
Switch the order for the pair, and I get memtest and prime95 errors. I'm using the same 2 slots, just moving the ram around in the slots. I've read that this can happen with motherboards being picky about the order, and I can live with that.
Reading on the memtest web page, it says that errors in test #5 are common with AMD setups, and that's what I got. Maybe Corsair is aware of more problems with AMD based PCs, since they used to advertise a latency of 2.5 with this ram, but recently Ramguy told me that the dual cores should run 2.0 latency.
So what's my problem now? Well, certain games, like Battlefield 2, will boot the PC if I set the ram at 2.0 latency, not just a crash to the desktop, but a complete PC boot.
Set it at 2.5 latency, and no problems. The command rate is at 1 on mine, no problem with that.
They have offered an RMA for me, but maybe I should live with what I got, it may get worse if I get replacements
I got the ram so I could use the lower latency with games, but I'm not sure if my problem is the games or the ram. From what I read, the difference between 2.0 and 2.5 latency is very small, but it still should work at 2.0
 

Zap

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Yeah, I have some G.Skill CAS 2 stuff (ZX) that works just fine at rated speeds.