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AutomaticErik
Senior member
I posted this in another thread but I'll repost here as it seems fitting:
I consider myself agnostic but only because I'm a very analytical person and I believe everything that exists must have proof of existence.
Aside from that, I look at history to explain some reasons as to why the idea of "Gods" or a "God" even came about.
In ancient civilizations, things happened that could not be explained. A flood occurred. The growing season was plagued by drought. A person dies from apparently nothing. In ancient civilizations, there was no way to explain or tell that hard rains upstream caused a flood, weather patterns change from year to year, or that cancer or a similar disease can cause death. Now we can as technology and science have allowed us to do so.
How did they explain it? A supreme deity, or multiple ones, oversee all that occurs on earth and they are responsible for things that happen. "If we do not please the Gods, we will suffer" was a phrase heard and written very often in these ancient civilizations. That was how they explained the flood, drought, or death.
I think these types of things still occur around the globe. Things happen that we can't explain so we blame it on a deity that we can't see, can't hear, and have no proof of existence. In reality, we probably haven't had this "thing" occur enough to be able to analyze and explain it.
All in all, many people find comfort in knowing that someone (or thing) is watching over them and helping them out. I am completely different. I feel that I am in control of my own life and the choices I make have an impact on my life. No deity is going to take that control away from me.
But this is just my view and feel free to combat my opinion. If you find any holes in my reasoning, lets talk about it.
I consider myself agnostic but only because I'm a very analytical person and I believe everything that exists must have proof of existence.
Aside from that, I look at history to explain some reasons as to why the idea of "Gods" or a "God" even came about.
In ancient civilizations, things happened that could not be explained. A flood occurred. The growing season was plagued by drought. A person dies from apparently nothing. In ancient civilizations, there was no way to explain or tell that hard rains upstream caused a flood, weather patterns change from year to year, or that cancer or a similar disease can cause death. Now we can as technology and science have allowed us to do so.
How did they explain it? A supreme deity, or multiple ones, oversee all that occurs on earth and they are responsible for things that happen. "If we do not please the Gods, we will suffer" was a phrase heard and written very often in these ancient civilizations. That was how they explained the flood, drought, or death.
I think these types of things still occur around the globe. Things happen that we can't explain so we blame it on a deity that we can't see, can't hear, and have no proof of existence. In reality, we probably haven't had this "thing" occur enough to be able to analyze and explain it.
All in all, many people find comfort in knowing that someone (or thing) is watching over them and helping them out. I am completely different. I feel that I am in control of my own life and the choices I make have an impact on my life. No deity is going to take that control away from me.
But this is just my view and feel free to combat my opinion. If you find any holes in my reasoning, lets talk about it.
MartyMcFly3
Lifer
Man, these jeans im wearing sure are comfortable.
RagingBITCH
Lifer
Who the fvck cares?
darkswordsman17
Lifer
My opinion is that what you said is backwards. Religion was created because the science at the time couldn't explain certain things. So in other words, its not that science can't comprehend religion, but rather religion can't (refuses to really) comprehend science.
If you look at history and how science has changed what was thought, it seems obvious that however begrudgingly it does so, religion will concede when science can prove something (remember things like thinking earth was at the center of the universe).
If you look at history and how science has changed what was thought, it seems obvious that however begrudgingly it does so, religion will concede when science can prove something (remember things like thinking earth was at the center of the universe).
K how about this..
Adam and Eve were technically brother and sister of the worlds first family if you want to get technical...
they were related..
so we are all children of Insest if you follow this line of thinking...
how sick and twisted is that?
well come to think of it that would explain a great many things..
..
LoL becasue I think bible thumpers are morons does not make me 11 years old..
its taken me a grat many years to get this bitter about religion and the stupidity of beleiveing in something that is tatamount to santa claus for adults...
im 34..
i spent the first 8 years of my life in a Catholic school studied the bible fairly extensivly before comign to the conclusion that it is nothing but pure fiction based loosely on some events that may or may not have taken place..
It is not by any means a history book or anything proven in any way shape or form..
Adam and Eve were technically brother and sister of the worlds first family if you want to get technical...
they were related..
so we are all children of Insest if you follow this line of thinking...
how sick and twisted is that?
well come to think of it that would explain a great many things..
..
LoL becasue I think bible thumpers are morons does not make me 11 years old..
its taken me a grat many years to get this bitter about religion and the stupidity of beleiveing in something that is tatamount to santa claus for adults...
im 34..
i spent the first 8 years of my life in a Catholic school studied the bible fairly extensivly before comign to the conclusion that it is nothing but pure fiction based loosely on some events that may or may not have taken place..
It is not by any means a history book or anything proven in any way shape or form..
ILikeStuff
Senior member
Wrap your head around this, unless by some amazing coincidence more than 2 sexual beings (of the opposite sex that could actually fvck and concieve of course) evolved simultaneously, EVERY ANIMAL ON EARTH WAS PRODUCED BY SOME SORT OF INCESTUOUS RELATIONSHIP IN THE BEGINNING. Of course the idea that two sexually compatible beings could evolve at the exact same time and each think the other was teh hawtness and screw around to produce offspring is an amazing leap of faith in itself.
midwestfisherman
Diamond Member
Try reading this Science and the Bible. You may be able to find it at your local library.
That would be totally wrong. Adam and Eve were two seperately created beings. They were not brother and sister. :roll:
The Fact is, religion is how we explain things we cant explain. Humans are afraid of what they dont know. So they make up this concept of "God"
Where a supreme being is making sure you will be ok. People take comfort in believing they are not alone in the world.
With that said, there is NOT one shread of evidence to prove there is a god, nor any to prove agaisnt it.
Where a supreme being is making sure you will be ok. People take comfort in believing they are not alone in the world.
With that said, there is NOT one shread of evidence to prove there is a god, nor any to prove agaisnt it.
Wrong..
they are direct children of god.. he created them therefore he is thier parent they had not other parent therefore in creating life god is thier father and therefore they were brother and sister...
now if god made 1 and his his friend bob the god in training made the other.. then therefore they would not be related...
but in this case God created both beings... therefore they are indeed brother and sister under thier father god..
If people can't master simple things like spelling and grammar, what makes you think that the origins of the universe and its existence are fair game?
Besides, even if you assume that at some point, God really did give divine wisdom in the form of the Bible, surely it has been mistranslated, corrupted, and twisted from its original form in the centuries since. It's simply too tempting to change the rules for your own benefit. It's one thing to be a dictator and control someone's life; they can at least have hope that someday, you'll be overthrown, or try to start a revolt on their own... but if you can convince them that you control their eternal salvation, you own them.
I'd have a lot harder time believing that the Bible survived unmodified than I would in believing in God in the first place.
adam and eve weren't just brother and sister; they were genetically identical to each other in every way except for adam's "y" chromosome. hmm...adam is certainly the first and only man to ever find out what he would look like as a woman (and eve to find out what she would look like as a man).
Be patient, less than 100 years ago we didn't even have cars.
We are still primitive.
We are still primitive.
uummm...no. Also there were several different "eves".. It should also be noted that "man" (a creature made in God's image) was created and not necassarily humans. This could imply that he simply added intelligence to a form that was already in existance. Also the bible pretty much says that people already inhabited the Earth.
right. all these people are so concerned with something that already happend, as if learning what happend back then would change what you should do tomarrow. religion filled a gap effectively for a long time but now that we KNOW more about this universe we live in; some things need to be abolished.
we have these couple billion people running around living according to a book written by people they never knew in a time unimaginable by todays standards with morals and values that are not THEIRS but rather imparted by someone else a great many years ago. and while it may have been ground break philosphy back then; modern logicism dictates the NEXT step in this evolution of man, not the word of many men many years ago.
its said that man only knows at most 10% of his history... 10 percent, thats a pretty damn small number, but that 10% accounts for us here today posting to each other on the internet, and we are still lost. well you know what, we will ALWAYS be lost, but instead of having the choosen few selected by god to inpart the wisdom inspired by faith, we can live on science and logic... we don't need god anymore, but some people are scared without it.
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