am i supposed to be able to see mod forums?

[esquared]

From what I hear you are correctly, technically.

However when you have former mods/directors saying that another mod keeps a dossier/notes/whatever on his own outside of the forums it is pretty eyebrow raising stuff.

What is the truth? We can't say for sure without having everything laid out before us, but there seems to be an abundance of evidence that what the former mods are saying is true.

There you have it:

Former mods/Former Director

It's all sour grapes and bullshit

I wish I could let you into the area to show you around. There is no such thing (dossier) in the area.

Most of it's pretty pedestrian really. But we do discuss problem members and we do have sometimes discussion that aren't pleasant but it's nothing like others would have you believe.

If it was anything like you make it out to be, I would have left long ago.

 

[sixone]

There you have it:

Former mods/Former Director

It's all sour grapes and bullshit

I wish I could let you into the area to show you around. There is no such thing (dossier) in the area.

Most of it's pretty pedestrian really. But we do discuss problem members and we do have sometimes discussion that aren't pleasant but it's nothing like others would have you believe.

If it was anything like you make it out to be, I would have left long ago.

Then why is it worth long vacations over?

 

[MotF Bane]

What is your criteria for active?

ppd
Viewing for weeks and then making a posts.


When one logs in; there is a list of people that are signed on. Some may not post; are they active in that time frame?

I'd think anyone who has logged in within, oh, the last month or two? Even if they don't post, it's activity. Although, for activity that could involve moderation, they have to post. Either way, I'd guess there's a ton of accounts that haven't been used anytime this year. And to that end, I thought VB actually had a tool somewhere to get an estimate on number of active accounts.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Now if that is what you call dossiers..............

Wellllll.... to not call a track record as lengthy as GAs a dossier is pretty much a matter of opinion.

People want to use the term dossier in the negative context.

What ever anyone's length is; is due to their actions alone and no one elses.
Attempts by a member to lay the blame for the record is just a deflection on their part.

Many times; Moderators may send a PM to a person that does not get records. This is to try to nudge proper behaivor with making a big deal on it.

GA, Mosh, Nick and others have this happen to them many times; they just feel they can push the envelope and not fear the consequences

 

[TecHNooB]

there are plenty of forums where you can't voice your opinions freely and mods ban on a whim without any sort of democratic process. just sayin.

 

[EagleKeeper]

What is your criteria for active?

ppd
Viewing for weeks and then making a posts.


When one logs in; there is a list of people that are signed on. Some may not post; are they active in that time frame?

I'd think anyone who has logged in within, oh, the last month or two? Even if they don't post, it's activity. Although, for activity that could involve moderation, they have to post. Either way, I'd guess there's a ton of accounts that haven't been used anytime this year. And to that end, I thought VB actually had a tool somewhere to get an estimate on number of active accounts.

I would agree; however, I have not been made aware of such a tool being made available to the Moderators. The site admins have have that information; not us lowly Mods

 

[esquared]

Wellllll.... to not call a track record as lengthy as GAs a dossier is pretty much a matter of opinion.

But that has never been a secret to anyone. Hell, it's part of vB

How do you think I know that one member has violated the 4 hour bump rule in FS/T 4 or 5 times. Or that another member thread craps in the Hot deals forum? Do you think my memory is that good?

Ask around here, I think there are couple mods on other forums that use vB. They will tell you just what I have told you

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

It's all right esquared. Just because life as we know it, the free world and, ATOT is all going down in flames on your watch, doesn't mean we hold you responsible.

 

[shiner]

There you have it:

Former mods/Former Director

It's all sour grapes and bullshit

I wish I could let you into the area to show you around. There is no such thing (dossier) in the area.

Most of it's pretty pedestrian really. But we do discuss problem members and we do have sometimes discussion that aren't pleasant but it's nothing like others would have you believe.

If it was anything like you make it out to be, I would have left long ago.

Can I at least get a vistor pass? I promise not to steal any silverware or look in the medicine cabinet while I'm in the bathroom. ()

I trust the word of those former mods/directors. Known them for a long time and they have always been straight shooters with me.

I'm sure there isn't anything in that area. It does sound like someone is keeping a personal "shitlist", for lack of a better term, outside of the forums and using it to help shape their admin decisions.

If that is the case then I believe it is the real problem here.

Perhaps it isn't true, but as I said I place a high value on the word of those former admins and trust them without question.

 

[darkxshade]

People want to use the term dossier in the negative context.

What ever anyone's length is; is due to their actions alone and no one elses.
Attempts by a member to lay the blame for the record is just a deflection on their part.

Many times; Moderators may send a PM to a person that does not get records. This is to try to nudge proper behaivor with making a big deal on it.

GA, Mosh, Nick and others have this happen to them many times; they just feel they can push the envelope and not fear the consequences

I was just speaking in jest but the bolded part begs the question... were they all punished equally or on their own merits? Or put another way, were all of them put in the same basket and the ban hammer came down or were they judged by the severity of their crimes? Makes no sense that gaiden can be banned for this one mistake while GA has largely skated by this long with such a long track record. Even murders are judged by degrees.

 

[eits]

Really, this wasn't a quick decision. It was done, with discussion, looking at the evidence and then coming up with the penalty. I understand that the penalty to you seems harsh.

Sorry for that but we take what was done seriously. If you can't see that it was serious, I can't convince you either the reasons we did what we did.

i understand what you're saying and i would agree completely, except for the fact that you didn't even allow those you passed judgment on to defend themselves or explain the evidence you had against them.

no offense, man, but you've done it to me before. i tried explaining how you misunderstood the situation, but you banned me anyway, even though i was innocent. that's partly why i feel the way i feel about this.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Then why is it worth long vacations over?

Possibly because they have used up their allotment of short vacations.

We try to use the vacations as a reward for bad behavior; increasing the length when the members do not seem to realize the seriousness of what they continue to do over and over again.

By increasing the harshness, it is a last desperate attempt by the Moderators to get them to be a productive member; only a few times does this actually work - most times they continually deliberating screwing up again to see if the Moderators will react.

GA, TFP are two that come to mind. Guyver has recently come back from a lengthy vacation; we will see if he changes his actions.

 

[MotF Bane]

But that has never been a secret to anyone. Hell, it's part of vB

How do you think I know that one member has violated the 4 hour bump rule in FS/T 4 or 5 times. Or that another member thread craps in the Hot deals forum? Do you think my memory is that good?

Ask around here, I think there are couple mods on other forums that use vB. They will tell you just what I have told you

I can indeed confirm the infraction system comes included with VB, and so does a panel attached to the user profile for notes, which can be edited by anyone with staff privileges.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

I wish I could let you into the area to show you around. There is no such thing (dossier) in the area.

Most of it's pretty pedestrian really. But we do discuss problem members and we do have sometimes discussion that aren't pleasant but it's nothing like others would have you believe.

So those stories about mods getting drunk on Boone's Farm Strawberry Hill and doing the lambada to MMMMM-Bop are all wrong? There goes my whole reason to aspire to a promotion.

 

[EagleKeeper]

I was just speaking in jest but the bolded part begs the question... were they all punished equally or on their own merits? Or put another way, were all of them put in the same basket and the ban hammer came down or were they judged by the severity of their crimes? Makes no sense that gaiden can be banned for this one mistake while GA has largely skated by this long with such a long track record. Even murders are judged by degrees.

The severity of the punishment is based on the crime and track record.

Just like in real life; first offenders may get a lighter sentence than a repeat or one that is on parole.

The decision was that the seriousness of the offense meant the hammer was coming down. The size of the hammer and was the anvil wood or iron, was based on the crime and intentions of the perp on what to do with the spoils.

 

[EagleKeeper]

So those stories about mods getting drunk on Boone's Farm Strawberry Hill and doing the lambada to MMMMM-Bop are all wrong? There goes my whole reason to aspire to a promotion.

Teetotalers when we are logged on. () This is the only way to properly detect the drunken OT posters.

 

[esquared]

It's all right esquared. Just because life as we know it, the free world and, ATOT is all going down in flames on your watch, doesn't mean we hold you responsible.

You know I really do like most of you

 

[Tweak155]

I've been put on vacation for some pretty petty stuff (in my mind) but hey, I didn't do it again.

 

[zinfamous]

man, now alfa, too?


:hmm:


clearly, this is a directed attack against ATOT photographers!!

 

[Lifted]

However when you have former mods/directors saying that another mod keeps a dossier/notes/whatever on his own outside of the forums it is pretty eyebrow raising stuff.

You think that's bad? You've just been added to my list.

 

[EagleKeeper]

i understand what you're saying and i would agree completely, except for the fact that you didn't even allow those you passed judgment on to defend themselves or explain the evidence you had against them.

no offense, man, but you've done it to me before. i tried explaining how you misunderstood the situation, but you banned me anyway, even though i was innocent. that's partly why i feel the way i feel about this.

How does one explain away the red dye from a packet of stolen bank notes.

They came out of the ATM?

We have the equivalent of a holdup note written in the perps handwriting and directions of where the gang will go to distribute the stolen funds along with the pawn shops that will be used to unload the jewelry stolen from the bank customers.

We are not required to provided them with a jury by their peers type of trial.

Horse thieves and cattle rustlers were hung when they were caught with the wrong brand and/or a hot running iron. And everyone knew that that was the way it went; no second chance or appeal

 

[Alone]

I'd like Perknose himself to state that he doesn't keep track of people who have emotionally wronged him over the years.

I believe that the mods, in their position, don't actively keep records on members (aside from the infraction system, which we're all aware of by now), especially not as a collective. But to think that no one on the staff does is laughable.

 

[Locut0s]

Anand won't acknowledge, at least publicly, the going-ons of this forum. From what I've seen, he'd much rather pretend this place doesn't exist at all. It's a cash grab and a funnel for all the drivel that no one wants to see in any of the other categories.

Sorry wat? Do you read the main site at all. That's basically 99.5% of the site to Anand and rightfully so. Anand's too busy writing articles and reviewing hardware, not to mention going to shows and coordinating the rest of the site, to even notice much here. It has nothing to do with turning a blind eye or wilfully ignoring ATOT, it's just not on his radar to begin with and why should it be?

 

[Tweak155]

How does one explain away the red dye from a packet of stolen bank notes.

They came out of the ATM?

We have the equivalent of a holdup note written in the perps handwriting and directions of where the gang will go to distribute the stolen funds along with the pawn shops that will be used to unload the jewelry stolen from the bank customers.

I'm surprised you keep responding EagleKeeper.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

I'd like Perknose himself to state that he doesn't keep track of people who have emotionally wronged him over the years.

I believe that the mods, in their position, don't actively keep records on members (aside from the infraction system, which we're all aware of by now), especially not as a collective. But to think that no one on the staff does is laughable.

Why should he have to?