Am I overpaying for this computer?

psy44

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This is what I am getting:
Athlon XP 2000+
Soyo Kt133 platinum edition
128mb Corsair XMS3200
16x pioneer dvd
44x24x44 yamaha
wireless blue optical microsoft mouse
Gainward ti 4400
Audigy Gamer
WD 80gb special edition
WinXp home
Total: 1610+70 dollar shipping
tell me what u think
 

ai42

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Using newegg.com pricing scale as most forum users will tell you they are the best.

Athlon XP 2000+ -- $110
Soyo Kt133 platinum edition (??? SOYO SY-KT333 DRAGON Ultra (Platinum Edition) is the only Platinum edition I can find) - $154
128mb Corsair XMS3200 (all i can find is 256mb modules) -$93
16x pioneer dvd -$43
44x24x44 yamaha -$145
wireless blue optical microsoft mouse (as far as I know this doesnt exist could be a wireless modded with blue LED, there is a BLUE version but not in wireless, I'm sure you can goto the FS/FT forums as ask somebody to solder one for you) - ~$40 (approx)
Gainward ti 4400 (cannot find 4400, subsituting 4600 gainwood) - $268
Audigy Gamer -$80
WD 80gb special edition -$105
WinXp home - $90

+ Shipping/case/fans etc $120 (aprox)

Grand total of $1248...

Give or take +/- around $100 due to parts being used and what not.
 

Mavrick007

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If it's a prebuilt, then they are either charging too much for parts or they are charging you about $450 bucks for putting the thing together.
For that much I would expect an athlon Xp 2200+, 256-512megs ram, audigy platinum, and WinXP Pro.

Price around, or like the guy quoted from newegg, just go there cause their prices are pretty much the best you will find for a full system by parts.
 

Ilmater

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Originally posted by: ai42
Using newegg.com pricing scale as most forum users will tell you they are the best.
I disagree. Most users will tell you that if you're set on ordering everything from one place, Newegg is the best. However, if you want to find the best prices, go to Pricewatch.com. I know that sometimes you can save on shipping by going with one carrier, but you could save an extra $100 or so by going there and spending the time to look around.

Also, please don't waste money on that Audigy. Get the Philips Acoustic Edge instead. It sounds AT LEAST as good (IMO better), has 5.1 sound, and costs $63 shipped from CruxWorks, Inc. The biggest bonus are the incompatibilities that you won't have with the AE. Many of you may not have had this problem, but me and three of my friends have. It's a pain, and Creative Labs simply doesn't care. Actually, if you don't need that extra card (and I doubt most people do), that Soyo board has the best integrated sound in the industry. Don't waste the money (not that Soyo isn't the best, but...) on a board with all that stuff on it if you're not going to use any of it. Seriously, the C-Media chip is a really nice chip; don't waste it.

Next, you're wasting money on the burner as well. The Lite-On drive is better quality (I won't put IMO here because this is fact) and cheaper. It also will get around more copy protections than any other drive; EVEN PLEXTOR'S! The 40x is here at Emicroworld for $54, while the 48x is here at Maxim PC for $64. I personally wouldn't waste the money for the 48x, but to each his own.

The next thing I wouldn't waste money on (IMHO) is that vid card. Now the Gainward is clearly the choice I'd go with, but as for the Ti4400 chipset, you guessed it, it's a waste. First off, I'm not even sure that Gainward makes it any more as I can't find it anywhere. Second of all, you'll never notice the difference between a Ti4400 and a Ti4200. If you truly think that you are that anal, then get the Gainward 4200 and O/C it to a 4400. There is no difference besides the clock speeds. I found the Gainward Golden Sample GF4 Ti4200 here at Gameve for $152, but you can also find good prices at Newegg.com for all of the Gainwards across the line. There are VIVO, TV, Ultras, etc. I honestly don't know the difference because there are so many, but find the one that suits your needs and get it. If you HAVE to overclock, that Golden Sample at Gameve is equipped with 3.3ns RAM that will O/C nicely. If, on the other hand, you want it to play UT2003 down the road with ease, you'll need 128MB of RAM because UT2003 (along with many other games after it) will come with 128 megs of textures (is that the right? textures?) that will be loaded to the card for faster response. I think textures is the thing I'm looking for, but regardless there was soemthing that will be loading into the card's RAM that is nearly 128MB. Anyway, you can find that card at the Gameve site for $161.50. Personally, I'd go with the 128MB card, as it will run newer games much faster.

Now that I've saved you money (you'll have to look at Pricewatch for the best prices on the rest of your stuff), you can spend more on RAM. Corsair has BY FAR the best PC3200 DDR RAM in the industry as of now, and the only CL2-rated chip, period, as far as I know (most people don't even know that IT exists). The cheapest you can get that is $186 from Googlegear. Personally, I'd get the PC2700 from BuyXtremeGear.com for $144. Until the Athlon XP goes to a 400MHz FSB (and they're not even to 333 yet, mind you) the extra bandwidth goes mostly (not completely, but mostly) wasted.

Very quickly, for the rest, go to the following places (all from Pricewatch.com)

Athlon XP 2000+ - $93 from pcboost.com
Soyo KT333 Ultra Platinum Edition - Stick with Newegg.com
Pioneer 16x DVD - $41 from Maxim PC
WD 800JB - Again, stick with Newegg.com

By the way, both of thoe prices are shipped. Let me know if you need me to back up any of the other prices. I don't look for XP or mice because I don't want to. By the way, before I get flamed, I will admit that AFTER the incompatibilities of the Audigy I am a little biased, but I personally wouldn't buy them, and I can guarantee that you'll save money and time spent working on it.

Edit: After looking at the size of this post, I can only come to one conclusion: I should be a hardware reviewer. Anand, you know my e-mail address. I'd be happy to join you.
 

ai42

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One more thing get than 128mb of ram! XP uses ram like candy, and you can't do anything on 128mb of ram on hardly any OS anymore. I just recently upgraded my work machine to 256 and it made all the differance. 256 should be the minimmum amount.

I disagree. Most users will tell you that if you're set on ordering everything from one place, Newegg is the best....
Depends... While I really like newegg they are obviously not always cheapest. However the service at quite of few of those shops is horrid and scammy. Sorry but I would be willing to pay the extra $5-10 on a company that I know won't screw me over. Also if you order in a single order you will save a lot on shipping instead of paying $5-8 per item you can pay much less as newegg calculates shipping by weight and shipping heavier items is cheaper than shipping 10 smaller items.

Next, you're wasting money on the burner as well. The Lite-On drive is better quality ...
The Yamaha has the special feature of "Tattooing" images and text and what not. While I'm not all that into that technology perhaps this guy wants it. Also the quality of all the Yamaha products are very high, while you are paying a lot for it it may be worth it for some people.

Also, please don't waste money on that Audigy. Get the Philips Acoustic Edge
Ehh I kinda have to agree, but it will vary some people don't have any issues with the card and certainly is a nice card none the less.

The next thing I wouldn't waste money on (IMHO) is that vid card. Now the Gainward is clearly the choice I'd go with, but as for the Ti4400 chipset, you guessed it, it's a waste
Not everybody overclocks their stuff. And personally I don't think it is the time to get a video card as there are many new cards that will push prices down.

If, on the other hand, you want it to play UT2003 down the road with ease, you'll need 128MB of RAM because UT2003
Not true, my Radeon 8500 64mb (retail card non-overclocked) card pulls 60-70fps solid in the Demo. Even the next generation games like Doom 3 are DESIGNED (at least what John Carmack says and I trust him more than video card makers) for the GeForce 3/Radeon 8500 line of cards. While I suspect that your fps won't be the best thing on those cards I would imagine you could at least pull around 30fps on that.
 

newbiepcuser

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wow...that's 3X as much as my current P4 rig, I sure hope it is 3X faster.

Why don't you share your P4 setup to help this guy out.


1680/3= $560

$560 thats pretty good with the same specs, legit OS, burner, Geforce 4, Audigy Card etc....

Was it one of those Dell deals?

edit Timekeeper just saw your signature link



PSY44

Definetly upgrade to 256mb of RAM.
 

gf4200isdabest

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128Mb; you're joking right!!?? Tell me you're joking...

GF4 4400; wuck...unless you're saving money for an NV30 or something, there is no good reason to not buy an ATI 9700 now...If you must go budget based video; 4200 definitely...Its not like any of the gf4's will last you more than half a year with things like doom3 coming out...

I agree with the "get it at newegg and stop getting ripped off from wherever you priced that out from" sentiment...
 

TimeKeeper

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Originally posted by: newbiepcuser
wow...that's 3X as much as my current P4 rig, I sure hope it is 3X faster.

Why don't you share your P4 setup to help this guy out.


1680/3= $560

$560 thats pretty good with the same specs, legit OS, burner, Geforce 4, Audigy Card etc....

Was it one of those Dell deals?

edit Timekeeper just saw your signature link



PSY44

Definetly upgrade to 256mb of RAM.

Well, I hope you didn't think I have the same spec. I am just referring to his "Am I overpaying for this computer?" ;)
If I have that much money to spend, I will buy MY system again, and instead using 15" LCD, I will take it to 18".
 

spanner

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Its way too expensive

KT133 chipset, doesn't that chipset really suck??????. I would go with an nforce/nforce2, if you like via then a KT333 or better
I have 512mb of ram and it seriosly bosts XP performance
 

Ilmater

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Originally posted by: ai42One more thing get than 128mb of ram! XP uses ram like candy, and you can't do anything on 128mb of ram on hardly any OS anymore.
I have to completely agree with this. I upgraded to 320MB from 256MB, and to 256MB from 128MB before that, and each time I noticed a difference. However, I recently switched from a 450MHz PII to a 1900+ AXP and didn't see much of a difference. RAM is truly important, even with the fastest IDE hard drive available.
Also if you order in a single order you will save a lot on shipping instead of paying $5-8 per item
While that is sometimes true, Pricewatch lists pricees with the max shipping included. As you can see from my preious post, most of the time there are better prices to be found on Pricewatch, even after shipping.
The Yamaha has the special feature of "Tattooing" images and text and what not.
I completely forgot about this, but I do hope that this feature is worth the huge premium you're paying for it.
personally I don't think it is the time to get a video card as there are many new cards that will push prices down.
Originally posted by: gf4200isdabestGF4 4400; wuck...unless you're saving money for an NV30 or something, there is no good reason to not buy an ATI 9700 now
I see by your name that even you don't believe that statement. Clearly there is a lot going on right now in the graphics world, but if you're buying now, the 4200 is still a safe bet. AND, I guarantee you that a 128MB card will show a larger and larger difference in performance above 64MB cards over time. In fact, to think otherwise is kind of illogical, don't you think?
Originally posted by: beverage
Windows XP Home?? ewwww... why not go pro?
Because it costs more, and most users won't use the extra features. I have 2k Pro, and I frequently use the extras; that doesn't mean everyone else will.
Originally posted by: spanner
KT133 chipset, doesn't that chipset really suck??????. I would go with an nforce/nforce2, if you like via then a KT333 or better.
I'm assuming that he meant the KT333 (if not, then you're crazy), but that's a great point about the nForce2. If you can wait a little longer (don't know how long though), the nForce2 should be more stable than any VIA chipset, and according to NVIDIA it will be 20% faster than the KT333. Of course that number is going to only apply to one game in one instance, but that's still worth the wait IMO.
 

Kingofcomputer

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Is this Can$? not US$?

buyabs.com - newegg's parent company, sell high-end built system.
nutrend.com - newegg's sister company, sell low-end built system.

you can use these 2 to check the price for such built system,
their price is reasonable, no rip-off like the one you bought.
 

m1ke101

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Originally posted by: gf4200isdabest
4200 definitely...Its not like any of the gf4's will last you more than half a year with things like doom3 coming out...

i'm sorry but thats an absurd statement. before the 9700 came out, the geforce 4 line was THE top of the line card out there. you're making it sound like they will be obselete in 6 months, which i highly doubt. of course theres going to be faster and better technology, ie nv30, but i'm pretty sure games will not advance so quickly as to render the geforce 4 obselete.

 

ahartman

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Originally posted by: Kingofcomputer
Is this Can$? not US$?

buyabs.com - newegg's parent company, sell high-end built system.
nutrend.com - newegg's sister company, sell low-end built system.

you can use these 2 to check the price for such built system,
their price is reasonable, no rip-off like the one you bought.

ABS is newegg's parent company? I bought an ABS computer about 5 years ago and have been very pleased. I'd recommend them if you're looking to buy a pre-built rig. Still use it every day, as a matter of fact. I'm building a new one shortly to replace it.

 

DeepSix

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Ilmater wrote:

"Most users will tell you that if you're set on ordering everything from one place, Newegg is the best. However, if you want to find the best prices, go to Pricewatch.com. I know that sometimes you can save on shipping by going with one carrier, but you could save an extra $100 or so by going there and spending the time to look around."

Excellent post, a must read of noobs. I usually buy from NewEgg, they're very reliable, yet Pricewatch does have the best pricing.

2 other things: 1) Watch out for the cheapee priced Ti4200's, many of them do not have the TV-out adapter, a must if you're building a multi-media system; 2) I wouldn't buy PC-3200 right now, I'd wait until these issues with 2x-DDR and 400mhz buses are settled. PC-3000 on the other hand is a great buy, you can fill up all your slots and they'll work on any 333 mobo. On Pricewatch PC-3000 @ CAS2 (Corsair, my favorite too) for 256mb is about $100, w/shipping. Good Luck All.