Am I justified in giving this guy a bad reference?

[Patt]

It is not a dick move to be honest.

 

[moshquerade]

ya ok
lmk when the justice league taskforce gets done meetin so we can bring some reality in here.

i am just going by what the OP said. In reality, neither you or I has anything else to go on.

 

[Cogman]

"his due comeuppance"
how do we know what that is?
how does op know?
what if ops the prick?
.....
jackass assumptions indeed
:roll:

We don't know that the OP isn't a prick, but what we do know is that the OP believes he isn't a prick and that the person in question is.

If the OP is a prick, then the advice of giving a bad reference is going to come up and haunt him some day.

 

[spaceman]

i been round long enough to see plenty of back biting bitches play the angel
do people dirty
nasty interwork politick
i worked with plenty i didnt like
i can say i never knowingly jeapoardized thier employments prospects or tried to otherwise pigeonhole them.
it aint right

 

[spaceman]

just boil it down OP
"i wanna take bread out his mouth coz i dont like him"
because past the bullshit
thats what ur having a hand in doing

 

[moshquerade]

just boil it down OP
"i wanna take bread out his mouth coz i dont like him"
because past the bullshit
thats what ur having a hand in doing

lol, you are demented beyond reasoning.

 

[spaceman]

lol, you are demented beyond reasoning.

if taking the highroad is demented i dont wanna be unmented

 

[moshquerade]

if taking the highroad is demented i dont wanna be unmented

the high road? like saying you're sure i'm an asshole in someone else's eyes. high road indeed.

 

[spaceman]

op chose to actively prevent "bad guy x" from obtaining employment based on some personal grudge
when its apparent it could have been just as easy to say "i know nothing etc"
how else can 1 characterize it really?

 

[spaceman]

the high road? like saying you're sure i'm an asshole in someone else's eyes. high road indeed.

well u are in mine but that wasnt what i was getting to
making the point were all assholes and all disliked by someone

 

[moshquerade]

well u are in mine but that wasnt what i was getting to
making the point were all assholes and all disliked by someone

seems this proves you choose the low rode more often than you admit.

 

[spaceman]

sigh

 

[FDF12389]

After reading this thread, and went and talked to my coworker who asked me about this guy. I decided not to email to stay completely off record. I was somewhat vague, saying that I would have serious concerns in hiring this guy. I told him there was a police report on file in county XXX that happened on his current employers property. I Also noted discrepancies in his resume. As well as just saying he has issues working in a team environment.

just boil it down OP
"i wanna take bread out his mouth coz i dont like him"
because past the bullshit
thats what ur having a hand in doing

I was asked my opinion of him, by someone who obviously trusts my opinion. I left personal bias completely out of it.

A. He's not qualified, period. This will come out in the interview anyways I'm sure.
B. he has a history of verbal and physical fights at work. I only pointed to the police report. Those are cold facts.
C. I pointed out his *provable* resume discrepancies.

I am not sabotaging his career because I don't like him. While I'll admit to not liking him, that didn't factor in to my reasons for not wanting him in this position. Had he applied for a position that he was qualified for, I may have been more vague in my reference, or just said I'm not the best person to ask.

 

[Ninjahedge]

Cut to the quick:

If you are official reference = Dick.
If you are coworker asked an opinion = BE NICE but honest.

Look at it this way, if he gets hired, it MIGHT come back to him at some point that you bad mouthed him (the more you rant, the higher chance of this happening). So keep your own butt covered on this one and say he is not a "team player" and that he was "lacking some of the skills that were essential to the projects we were working on" and leave it at that.

 

[LumbergTech]

seems this proves you choose the low rode more often than you admit.

if you think that purposely trying to make sure that someone can't make a living is ok then i can kinda sympathize with the guy

 

[spaceman]

I was asked my opinion of him, by someone who obviously trusts my opinion. I left personal bias completely out of it.

A. He's not qualified, period. This will come out in the interview anyways I'm sure.
B. he has a history of verbal and physical fights at work. I only pointed to the police report. Those are cold facts.
C. I pointed out his *provable* resume discrepancies.

I am not sabotaging his career because I don't like him. While I'll admit to not liking him, that didn't factor in to my reasons for not wanting him in this position. Had he applied for a position that he was qualified for, I may have been more vague in my reference, or just said I'm not the best person to ask.

if it wouldv came out in the interview? why bother?
were u hiring him?if not why do u make the determination of qualification if it isnt personal?
why divulge police report?
were u hired to comb his resume?
seem like u gave alot more than personal opinion here.
sorry seems pretty transparent u wanted to blackball him and even went out of ur way to do so.
happy holidays

 

[FDF12389]

if you think that purposely trying to make sure that someone can't make a living is ok then i can kinda sympathize with the guy

He is still employed. He has only been suspended for I think two weeks. And its a paid suspension. That is why I keep referring to my previous employer, his current.

 

[TechAZ]

You are not unjustified. If you are in the position of hiring at your place of employment, and another hiring manager calls you and asks your opinion....technically you're only supposed to say "I would not re-hire this person", and only a couple other politically correct answers.

That's the litigation / HR world answer.

In reality, the prospective hiring manager only has to tell his/her HR department "decline - doesn't seem like a good fit, continue taking applications for a more qualified person". Nobody would be stupid enough to tell their HR department that they're declining an applicant because they got the down and dirty from a previous employer.

You are saving a prospective employer from hiring a shitty employee. Now, some may say you might be the dick and the prospective employee is getting the shaft....well tough shit, you are in a position of authority where your opinion is wanted.

 

[hanoverphist]

I don't think it's very fair or professional of the interviewer to bring you into this situation.

not really, due to the following quote...

If he had used you as a reference I would decline/not say anything, but if someone at your company asks your opinion I would be honest personally. You (or your co-workers) will have to live with working with them if they hire him.

i agree, if its just a coworker asking for your opinion based on you working with him previously, youd be crazy not to give them an accurate account of how you feel. you dont have to be spiteful and detailed, just give them a thumbs down without much dirt.

here in az, if you are contacted by any other company for references on someone they are interviewing, the most you want to tell them is that they worked there, and when. only other question ill answer is whether they are eligible for rehire, and no details.

 

[ShawnD1]

Speak your mind carefully.

Most important, be honest. Don't say "he's insane" since that's probably wrong. A more accurate thing would be as simple as "he didn't work well with others and he gets upset very easily"

 

[WildHorse]

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[lxskllr]

There's no way I'd give a recommendation to someone I didn't believe in. I did that once, and the guy ended up being a jerkoff.If someone asks my opinion, they're gonna hear what I really think. I've worked with people I've clashed with. but wouldn't hesitate to give them a good recommendation, because I believed in their work. Likewise, I've worked with people I've gotten along with well enough, and there's no way I'd give my approval for hiring.

 

[Koing]

Op grow a pair, it's off the record...if he is crap say so. Do you want to work with a crap person? I do not work with clowns if I'm able to help this.

I've been asked about my opinion on all employees in my team and I gave the team leader it straight, he's crap, he isn't good enough, lacks this skill, not suited etc.

I've had an my future boss ask ex bosses off the record if they would hire me. I got hired so it must have at the very least been ok feedback. It's business it happens people use contacts to get info off the record.

Koing

 

[DrPizza]

gee and they wonder why people sue about jobs.

dismissed from being hired for doing something completely legal. awesome

but also, its the applicants fault for not cleaning the image as well.

we prune the same way, run their name through the DMV and local county clerks websites, check facebook.

found out a guy was a member of a big pro-materbation movement on facebook, sorry dude, no interview for you!

I actually, at my last job, deep 6'd a 'friend' of mine. I was used as reference on the app and everythin, then was asked 'off the record' if he was worth hiring and I said no. mostly because he job hopped yearly, and hiring in gov't is such a PITA that means another 6 months with the job open

At least in my state, there are several vague state laws about moral character for teachers. i.e. posing for Playboy is a legal activity, but if you're a high school teacher & do it, you can probably kiss your job good-bye.

We were told, my our legal advisors, to consider ourselves as teachers 24/7. If you live outside the community you teach in, you're a little better off. But, if you live within the community, then you simply have to... "behave." No public drunkenness, etc. And, a member of the community can go right over the heads of the administration in your building - they can file a <4 digit something or other, i.e. like "'file a 1040ez"> and it goes straight to state ed. And, they investigate it. You, as a teacher, don't even find out that there's an investigation until the proverbial shit is about to hit the fan.

 

[erikistired]

How is it stupid. Because some random guy I worked with thinks I'm a dick, that should effect my future employment?

hell yes it should. if you cause a disruptive work environment it can really affect everyone around you and productivity.