Am I in the wrong?

Nutdotnet

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Fiancee owns her own house. Good structual condition but needed a new roof and could use interior renovations.

I don't own a house. I've been a life-long renter.

She's been renting her house out and, since we're now engaged and getting hitched, thought it would be a good idea to move into her place.

Fiancee wanted to replace the roof, which is needed. Wanted me to split the cost with her. I balked as it is not my place. I explained to her why I feel it's not a good idea for someone to sink money into something that they do not have a stake in. Ie, if I dropped $$$ into the house, and she kicked me out, I wouldn't have any recourse in getting my money back. Why? It's her house.

She sees it as a lack of faith in our relationship. I see it as financial common sense.

She has since decided to renovate the entire house. All at once. She has hired people to do it, everything from new cabinets, flooring, painting, and a new bathroom. She's upset with me because I'm not paying for anything. Her parents asked her if I don't have any money and why she's the only one paying for the renovations. She didn't bother to explain my view and didn't ask her parents to talk to me.

If I had my choice we would have renovated the place piece-by-piece, as we can afford it and do most of the work ourselves. It's not that she has a bunch of money, she had about $100k in equity that she cashed out to reallocate some debt (student loans) and pay for the renovations, which turned from just the roof to a whole new house. I'm more than willing to help her pay for the renovations, as she's paying them off (again, she didn't drop unattached cash down, she's using her equity cash-out to pay for this...meaning she has to pay it back, obviously). I see it as, if I drop 5-10k at once, and things don't work out, I'm immediately out that money. If I'm helping her pay her monthly payment for the renovations and things don't work out, them I'm only out the monthly payments.

What do you guys/gals think? I'm not trying to be cheap, just simply trying to be smart financially. I saw my brother drop 5k for a down payment for his girlfriend's condo and when they broke up, he was out and never saw his money again.
 

MrChad

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Tough situation. I understand where you're coming from, but by refusing to pitch in, you're basically saying that you have doubts you'll make it as a couple to the actual wedding.
 

edro

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I am in an almost identical situation.
I pay her rent, that is it.
 

Kirby

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Walter Sobchak: Am I wrong?
The Dude: No you're not wrong.
Walter Sobchak: Am I wrong?
The Dude: You're not wrong Walter. You're just an asshole.
Walter Sobchak: All right then.
 

KLin

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Ahh money arguments stemming before even getting married. Not a good sign.
 
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It's your fiancee, so yes you are wrong.

This is a valuable lesson to learn prior to entering a death pac... errr marriage. The woman is never wrong, and you are always wrong if you disagree with her. The sooner you learn this before you enter into this life long death pac... err marriage the better off you'll be.
 

Jugernot

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Originally posted by: MrChad
Tough situation. I understand where you're coming from, but by refusing to pitch in, you're basically saying that you have doubts you'll make it as a couple to the actual wedding.

Yep, that is sort of how I view it. Though, I wouldn't have put money into either unless you're married.
 

JC86

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If you two plan on living together in the house after you're married, then you should chip in. If you have any doubts about your relationship, why are you engaged? It's a leap of faith for sure but since you're engaged, aren't you committing a lot more than just approximately 100k?
 

Mxylplyx

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I would have told her you will chip in for the renovations after the wedding date. Then a divorce court could have given you your money back if anything happens.
 

darkxshade

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Originally posted by: Mxylplyx
I would have told her you will chip in for the renovations after the wedding date. Then a divorce court could have given you your money back if anything happens.

Why even get married or engaged for that matter with that mentality?
 

JS80

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Originally posted by: darkxshade
Originally posted by: Mxylplyx
I would have told her you will chip in for the renovations after the wedding date. Then a divorce court could have given you your money back if anything happens.

Why even get married or engaged for that matter with that mentality?

What if she cheats on him? Then he's out $10k for nothing.
 

amdskip

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I'd do the work myself if I had the time and yes you need to contribute, only makes sense.
 

BoomerD

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I've known a few guys in your situation. Engaged to a woman who owned a house. He helped pay for major repairs and renovations, they broke up, either before or after the wedding, he got not one dime back for his "investment in their future."

Will your situation end up that way? Maybe...maybe not. You're in a tough spot with this.
 

Turin39789

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she gets to keep all the proceeds from the house and spend it just on herself when she sells it instead of rolling it into your next house right?
 

toekramp

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From what I've learned (having been married, now divorced), if you have to ask if you're "in the wrong", you usually are (even when logically you are not)
 

Capt Caveman

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Originally posted by: BoomerD
I've known a few guys in your situation. Engaged to a woman who owned a house. He helped pay for major repairs and renovations, they broke up, either before or after the wedding, he got not one dime back for his "investment in their future."

Will your situation end up that way? Maybe...maybe not. You're in a tough spot with this.

Write-up a Legal contract then.
 

darkxshade

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Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: darkxshade
Originally posted by: Mxylplyx
I would have told her you will chip in for the renovations after the wedding date. Then a divorce court could have given you your money back if anything happens.

Why even get married or engaged for that matter with that mentality?

What if she cheats on him? Then he's out $10k for nothing.

Maybe I'm more secure with myself(or ignorant the way you're prob looking at it) but how could you go into a marriage if you think so little of your fiance?
 
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Tell her sure, you'll pitch in...as soon as she gives you 50% ownership in the house, in writing. After all, isn't she implying that what is hers is also yours, and vice versa? Share and share alike? She may as well make it official. Then you can both be happy.

I'm willing to bet she wouldn't be too happy with that suggestion though.