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Am I an idiot for select AMD for my new computer company

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Originally posted by: AmberClad
Kind of makes you wonder why some company doesn't step into the gap and sell only AMD systems, including gaming ones comparable to Dell's XPS line. EMachines only offers mainly low end AMD systems, AFAIK, and not that much selection at that.


Well guess what there is a new computer company in town and they only sell AMD! And it's called CampusComputing and you guys are going to hear about it.

In fact someone here came up with the name for it. I've been working on it day and night 24/7 and I've just made up my mind that I'll be damned if I ever sell an P4.

The site, by the way, which is still only 50% complete at best, is temporarily located at www.doughalpern.com

I would like to hear what you guys think of it so far. Keep in mind the prices, etc are not set in stone yet.
 
Originally posted by: CitizenDoug
Originally posted by: AmberClad
Kind of makes you wonder why some company doesn't step into the gap and sell only AMD systems, including gaming ones comparable to Dell's XPS line. EMachines only offers mainly low end AMD systems, AFAIK, and not that much selection at that.


Well guess what there is a new computer company in town and they only sell AMD! And it's called CampusComputing and you guys are going to hear about it.

In fact someone here came up with the name for it. I've been working on it day and night 24/7 and I've just made up my mind that I'll be damned if I ever sell an P4.

The site, by the way, which is still only 50% complete at best, is temporarily located at www.doughalpern.com

I would like to hear what you guys think of it so far. Keep in mind the prices, etc are not set in stone yet.

I might add that I taught myself html and programmed the whole thing by hand without using any html helper program. Sorry had to brag.
 
Maybe just don't tell people that you're selling AMD systems unless they ask? As long as they see that it can run XP, that's all that matters, right? Maybe focus on the PR ratings since they might not know the frequency comparisons.

Reason I say this is, I had a roommate once whose parents bought her a cheapo eMachines system (lol, complete with a huge CRT that must have taken up 90% of her deskspace now I think about it...memories). She wasn't the tech savvy type, so I doubt she could have told the difference between her AMD and my P4. (She'd come into my room and use my computer once in a while after infecting her own with viruses :frown:.)

Nothing unscrupulous mind you, but as long as it can run Windows, that's all most people care about anyways.
 
Who cares what CPU they want? you are making money! The masses does not care about "omgwtf AMD R0x0rz"
 
Originally posted by: chrisrod01
But isnt Intel more stable? That why school and everyone uses dell cause stablility and warranty????

No, that almost totally depends on the chipset. However, my "Video Rig" with Intel chipset and CPU has been more stable than my "Gaming Rig", by a hair.
 


"They have a list the school gives them and it says at the top of the list "must have a P4 processor"

I think they mean the same speed not the Intel chip, but if I was buying a computer just for school work then I'd have to go with INtel to.
 
Originally posted by: Sforsyth


"They have a list the school gives them and it says at the top of the list "must have a P4 processor"

I think they mean the same speed not the Intel chip, but if I was buying a computer just for school work then I'd have to go with INtel to.

Well, naturally that's what they mean but of course they didn't word it like that. It's too bad.
 
You should explain the difference of the computer parts 90% of people buy their frist PC without knowing crap about them, they get a dell and wonder why it can't play games and what not.

My Cousin make cop car PCs and stuff like that and can get Itel chips dirt cheap.

 
Uhh, even good 'ol Tom Pabst at Tom's Hardware had to admit that A64 platforms are the more reliable and stable platform at this point in history. I am sure it killed him to admit it though...

Just in case you do not know, Tom has been accused of taking Intel kickbacks for quite some time now.

Stability is more a matter of chipset/drivers/OS than anything else. When using the nForce4, with the latest drivers (ahem, we won't mention NAM), and XP SP2, you have the most stable system short of a server.
 
Originally posted by: ChiPCGuy
Uhh, even good 'ol Tom Pabst at Tom's Hardware had to admit that A64 platforms are the more reliable and stable platform at this point in history. I am sure it killed him to admit it though...

Just in case you do not know, Tom has been accused of taking Intel kickbacks for quite some time now.

Stability is more a matter of chipset/drivers/OS than anything else. When using the nForce4, with the latest drivers (ahem, we won't mention NAM), and XP SP2, you have the most stable system short of a server.

Intel chipset with an Intel CPU will easily top that. I can't tell you how many times the cause of my hard disk detection issues has been the crappy nForce4. Others have had issues as well. I have never, EVER, EVER... seen a BSOD on my Video Rig (maybe one). Maybe five or ten on my AMD Gaming Rig. My VIA/Athlon XP systems were very flaky at best. A BSOD a week keeps the doctor coming. To this day, my hard disk is detected one of every two times I boot my Gaming Rig. No amount of BIOS flashing and nForce4 drivers have fixed this. Fortunately, I don't reboot much. If I install nForce4 SATA drivers with the devil's sign version number, I will get a BSOD every time I boot XP. Drivers prior to that were ~half stable. Don't even get me started on the nForce4 platform drivers. God awful. I have to use either BIOS 1001 and the earlier nForce4 chipset drivers, or the latest BIOS AND the latest chipset drivers (still flaky). Those are impossible combos without reinstalling Windows between one of the updates. Freakin' ridiculous.
 
Originally posted by: xtknight
Originally posted by: ChiPCGuy
Stability is more a matter of chipset/drivers/OS than anything else. When using the nForce4, with the latest drivers (ahem, we won't mention NAM), and XP SP2, you have the most stable system short of a server.

Intel chipset with an Intel CPU will easily top that. I can't tell you how many times the cause of my hard disk detection issues has been the crappy nForce4. Others have had issues as well. I have never, EVER, EVER... seen a BSOD on my Video Rig (maybe one). Maybe five or ten on my AMD Gaming Rig. My VIA/Athlon XP systems were very flaky at best. A BSOD a week keeps the doctor coming. To this day, my hard disk is detected one of every two times I boot my Gaming Rig. No amount of BIOS flashing and nForce4 drivers have fixed this. Fortunately, I don't reboot much. If I install nForce4 SATA drivers with the devil's sign version number, I will get a BSOD every time I boot XP. Drivers prior to that were ~half stable. Don't even get me started on the nForce4 platform drivers. God awful. I have to use either BIOS 1001 and the earlier nForce4 chipset drivers, or the latest BIOS AND the latest chipset drivers (still flaky). Those are impossible combos without reinstalling Windows between one of the updates. Freakin' ridiculous.


If your flashing your "VIA/AthlonXP" system with nForce drivers, it's no wonder your having problems. The nForce is made by nVidia, not VIA.

RoD
 
Ask them what they will be doing with the system and give them options, maybe buy their old hardware within 3 month if they upgrade through you.
 
een though you know better, intel has already done all the marketing required for you to sell p4's. Honestly, a pentium 4 coupled with an intel chipset motherboard makes things much simpler.
 
I think Intel holds a better part of the consumer market right now. Most people that I know are brain washed into thinking AMD is crappy and that Intel is thee shiznit. Obviously, I know better. Convincing them of this is a little hard for me at times but often times it gets through their thick skulls once I give them the reasons as to why AMD is superior.
 
"The customer is always right." If they want intel, give em intel. Or they will go Dell on you.

Are the peeps youre selling them to gamers. Then they should know AMD is better for games. Or will they be used for content creation. Maybe just browsing and word processing? You need to find out what the person will be doing, then build a machine best suited. You cant just say "AMD is better period" when thats just not true.

As a rule, products and drivers are written for intel and tested on intel chipsets. AMD (and everyone else) comes second here.

BTW while Im rooting for AMD and smile because AMD kicked intel in the teeth this round I still use and recommend intel CPU and intel chipsets to friends who want a general use computer.
 
I myself considered doing something like this in the past before I realised it simply wasn't worth the hassle for me - esp with all the tech support

This idea is possible, but I'd encourage you to make a much clearer and decisive business stance.

Fact:
You can offer decent prices but never enough to comperte with dell. Finding special offers on your components can help. I hope you have setb yourself up as a reseller and as such to receive special low prices. Perhaps, also you might be able to use a cashback cooperative or such avilable to lower your prices? Over in the UK we've got quidco.com

Problems you will face:
- Trust of your clients - you're a new and run by an individual - will may ask whether they can trust you with their credit card or whether you'll still exist in a few years to support them.
- Ignorance which is why you should include an extensive amount of information as to why you choose each component. (silence, performance, quality)

Given all this, it's obvious that you'll have to be niche-market specific and in fact discern yourself as much from any other manufacturer.

You'll have to justify your higher prices - this by informing the consumer explaining accurately and to the point why each component is the best - use links to proper reviews for further information for your customers to read. They need to be the best in regards of quality (eg choose the longer warranties such as Seagate for 5 years, liftetime on RAM, PSu three years etc), performance (here you could even create a review/test part of your website where you put your pcs under thorough benchmarks but so as to not confuse the consumer so people can compare why your systems are better than X manufacturer and how they compare to each other ie what they really need) and silence (how many OEm PCs are noiser than they should be?

However, you'll need to go further and really stress your specialist customisation services. This broadly includes a wealth of free programs and overclocking/tweaking.

Programs: I am talking about using free and particularly open source programs. In this you can stress how your computer will be far more secure for the internet (greatly reduced risk of spyware etc - ie you can rely on your pc for smooth function and security online). Programs would include Zonealarm free (v5.5.094.000), ad-aware, spybot, ms antispyware, ewido, a-squared, bitdefender (as on demand scanner) and AVG/anti-vir, (hijack this if they need to appeal for onlien support?) winamp/quintessential with skins+plugins (enhancer and stereoexpander), firefox (with something like privoxy?), ccleaner, openoffice?, dvdshrink/dvddecrypter/smartripper? etc etc. Each of these programs will need to be customised themselves as well as all windows settings (use tune xp, xp antispy and black vipers services list which you can disable). The difficulty is in informaing the consumer and ensuring he updates and uses these programs (setup a folder in quicklaunch with all the scanner options in it and then a weekly reminder with ms schedule etc to use it - or else could you set up a batch etc file to simplify it?

If you do all that you'll get some very happy customers and so many times people might buy a pc from dell only to see it become inoperable and lose performance by being loaded with spyware and other nasties which they have no idea how to get rid of it.

Also partition the hardrives into C: and D: for the rest just in case anything goes wrong on so so you'll only need to reformat one and not lose data (setup my documents on D)

Another point is set up user accounts for browsing online - supply a master password for your consumer s to access the admin acount as necessary but encourage them to use limited ones to browse the internet.

Overclocking - offer it as an extra service (i'm not sure how this works legally if they're any complcations here) but only so long as it's within very safe boundaries eg not using more than 1.5V (Venice) and when found your maximum overclock at that setting and then downclock it at least 5% from that timing. You'll need to reassure your customers about this being safe/reluiable etc and that you'll still honour your warranty etc etc


Inform your consumer and empower them with some information and they will trust you more. Offer services and customisations that a larger manufacturing would never offer

ps. nice start on the website but we need more - here's a good example for something to aim at and is somethign what I was talking about before when discussing how to inform the consumer and assure them of the highest quality components.

Ineloquent and inarticulate, but I hope my reply helps you assess which direction you could take it.
 
Originally posted by: CrispyFried
"The customer is always right." If they want intel, give em intel. Or they will go Dell on you.

Are the peeps youre selling them to gamers. Then they should know AMD is better for games. Or will they be used for content creation. Maybe just browsing and word processing? You need to find out what the person will be doing, then build a machine best suited. You cant just say "AMD is better period" when thats just not true.

As a rule, products and drivers are written for intel and tested on intel chipsets. AMD (and everyone else) comes second here.

BTW while Im rooting for AMD and smile because AMD kicked intel in the teeth this round I still use and recommend intel CPU and intel chipsets to friends who want a general use computer.



I thought it'd make sense to use AMD in such a scenario - quieter, cooler and faster including having snappier performance (albeit only until multiple heavy resource usage programs are running)
 
That 90% of computer users use Internet Explorer instead of Firefox is the only proof that you need that Microsoft really does control the world. Firefox is superior to Internet Explorer in almost every way and is becoming more and more popular. It is faster and also blocks all those annoying pop up ads you get when using Internet Explorer.

or
Once you connect your computer to the internet, you are vulnerable to computer viruses. The geeks that write these viruses are very sneaky so even if you are very careful about what you download you could still find yourself with a virus. This is an excellent program for checking and destroying virusues. We recommend running and updating this program once a week.

You may want to shift your language to a more professional less personal stance. Personal attacks etc don't look good to consumers - or those supplying you

I'm not sure whether you should have a customisation guide on each program - perhaps you could on your website but have it as a psswword protected area so only those who have bought the previous customisation from you can access it...
 
Originally posted by: Diasper
Originally posted by: CrispyFried
"The customer is always right." If they want intel, give em intel. Or they will go Dell on you.

Are the peeps youre selling them to gamers. Then they should know AMD is better for games. Or will they be used for content creation. Maybe just browsing and word processing? You need to find out what the person will be doing, then build a machine best suited. You cant just say "AMD is better period" when thats just not true.

As a rule, products and drivers are written for intel and tested on intel chipsets. AMD (and everyone else) comes second here.

BTW while Im rooting for AMD and smile because AMD kicked intel in the teeth this round I still use and recommend intel CPU and intel chipsets to friends who want a general use computer.



I though it'd make sense to use AMD in such a scenario - quieter, cooler and faster including having snappier performance (albeit only until multiple heavy resource usage programs are running)



I agree. Stability-wise I don't think Intel has any edge. It doesn't seem AMD is bad running at Intel SSE, SSE2 instruction sets. I don't think products, drivers only tested in Intel platform would run any worse in AMD CPU

AMD CPU runs better at every benchmark I've seen except very minor DivX encoding, etc. There's no way I could recommend Intel nowadays for just its brand where there are some cheaper price/performance, higher overclockerbility, better noise; heat; power consumption, i.e. a far superior product out there to not to use.

People are gullible. If your customers are moning about it, give them some facts. I am sure they understands
And people can't resist superior stuff once they know it.
 
Heck on the free software side of things you could even include some free games (Freespace 2 with the open source project comes to mind)

Btw isn't Open Office >> MS Works ? Hopefully when Open opffice goes into beta 2 it'll truwely be time to adopt it (still a few too many minor bugs)

People will pay a decent amount for that service - saves them money on being mislead to buy products they wouldn't need/freeware available.


edit - one thing also stress how well the pc is tested in every way for stability and security.

moreover consider having a feedback section - as a start up not being an established brand/identity means you'll have to work hard in every way to achieve it
 
One thing to consider:

I know you want to keep it simple and limit your vendors in order to perhaps solicit better prices down the road, but if you refuse to offer Intel solutions, you will lose customers. Right or wrong, most people tend to think Intel is better since they have heard of it. It can be argued that by offering Intel, you can significantly increase your market and reduce the hassle, and thus in the end sell more. Consider that motherboard manufacturers offer solutions for both vendors, you can still stick with a single source there. The only extra hassle is the different CPU and perhaps using DDR2, but you can still stay witht he same manufacturer.
 
Originally posted by: Sforsyth


"They have a list the school gives them and it says at the top of the list "must have a P4 processor"

I think they mean the same speed not the Intel chip, but if I was buying a computer just for school work then I'd have to go with INtel to.

A P4 can't do anything more than an AMD can, although the AMD Athlons are 64 bit. 😉
 
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