FeathersMcGraw
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So one of mankind fvcks another one who is also one of mankind, are you saying you agree with homosexuality?
0roo0roo
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i left something out. it should be
homosexuals have high rate of hiv infection. high rate of hiv infection is bad. therefore homosexuals are bad. that was your arguement.
you can't do that wnith your fish example. not to mention both homosexuals and blacks are humans. instead of saying universalize, i hsould have said applying the same logic.
in other words, you can't have one premise and go straight to a conclusion as you found out, you must have an arguement. but in the end, you are still wrong, and thats all that matters.
I'm not sure if I understand your question. Homosexuality, as defined, is one male having intercourse with another male. No, I do not agree with that as a 'lifestyle', and I don't support it. Read the quotes provided by skace above. I think it's a unnatural, unhealthy lifestyle. But aren't I entitled to my opinions?
FeathersMcGraw
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Homosexuality doesn't say anything about being male (and really, is anyone opposed to lesbians?
)Main Entry: 1ho·mo·sex·u·al
Pronunciation: "hO-m&-'sek-sh(&-)w&l, -'sek-sh&l
Function: adjective
Date: 1892
1 : of, relating to, or characterized by a tendency to direct sexual desire toward another of the same sex
2 : of, relating to, or involving sexual intercourse between persons of the same sex
I didn't say that homosexuals are bad. I said that the lifestyle is unnatural and unhealthy. If you logically jump from unnatural and unhealthy to bad then that is your logical process at work, not mine. Whether it's a genetic aberration or a choice, I still don't think that it should be promoted.
Maybe I've been trying to debate this in the wrong way. Let me ask a question: What natural benefit is there in a homosexual relationship over a heterosexual relationship?
*Edit: To clarify, the thread was a discussion about gays. I have no idea what the lesbian STD rate of infection is.
You are definitely entitled to your opinion . . . just as long as you realize it's based on a selective evaluation of information and your closely held beliefs.
When I was a young I would certainly have agreed that homosexuality is bad. As an adult I considered it just another variant in the spectrum of sexual behaviors and ascribing moral value to it was merely an exercise in morality not reality. One of my gay Resident Advisors in prep school died of AIDS. One of my gay high school friends has HIV (physician). My best roommate in college was as gay as the day is long. My personal physician and his partner (also a physician) have been together for almost a decade.
Many cultures have gender spectrums and sexual practices that defy the heterosexual mantra. My point is that homosexuality is clearly natural since it exists in the animal kingdom from rodents up to humans (it is certainly possible that aliens introduced homosexuality but I haven't seen compelling evidence to date). As long as active heteosexuals produce beyong maintenance it is possible for homosexuals to be relatively innocuous to a society. It is unhealthy only to the extent that it is impossible to reproduce (not everybody needs to do that anyway) and the manner in which it takes place.
0roo0roo
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if something is described as unnatural and unhealthy, can that be a positive thing? i doubt it. i think its closer to "bad".
not to mention you don't support your arguements that it is both unnatural and unhealthy in any rational way. as i pointed out, with black people, you can't say that black people are bad because they as a whole have more hiv. then further more, you jump to another conclusion that it shouldn't be promoted. as if gays are recruiting which is nearly absurd as thinking black people could recruit black people.
maybe you should ask yourself the same question. the obvious answer is that there is no benifit. so why would people choose to lead a life that could lead to persecution by bigots? perhaps there is a genetic component? ask yourself this. did you wake up one day confused as to whether you liked girls or boys, or did you always like the opposite sex more. did you have to choose. i can answer that for myself, i didn't choose, i knew girls made me horny before i knew what to do about it.
think about this. children with two homosexual parents(adopted or through other methods) have the same likely hood of being heterosexual as the general population. how could this be? with gay parents you would most certainly be recruited into being gay if that were possible. the fear that gay rubs off is irrational.
ask yourself this, why do ugly geeks still exist when after thousands of years of evolution they should have been bred out?
0roo0roo, it sounds like we are in agreement. I'm not questioning whether it's genetic or not, I'm only saying that if it is genetic, it is a detrimental component. Cancer exists in all of the animal kingdom, but do you dispute that it is unhealthy? By your own admission, there is no benefit to being homosexual. Heterosexuals can reproduce naturally, so simply from a biological point of view, heterosexuals are more healthy than homosexuals. The logical correlation is that homosexuals are *less healthy* than heterosexuals.
0roo0roo
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ugly people are likely to be less healthy then pretty people since they are less motivated to take care of themselves. so what? perhaps its time to treat ugly people the way we do homosexuals.
we are not at all in agreement. much evil has been done in the world by people who think they know whats best for others.
the only way homosexuality can be considered detrimental is if you consider procreation. but is that all we are? baby factories? we have minds that allow us to rise above our biology.
unhealthy? two gay men screwing is no more unhealthy then two heteros screwing. its promiscuity that leads to desease. furthermore its oppression and hate that drives people into depression and self hate that leads to people to self destructive behavior. in other words, irrational hate leads to suffering? perhaps.
from a biological point of view there is no difference between a homosexual and a heterosexual in terms of "health". only one has the ability to create a child, but thats a piss poor reason to dislike them.
cancer kills people. homosexuals do not.
in other words, you spend your time disliking people for no justifiable reason. in this giant world with all its unknowns, all the ignorance displayed by man throughout history and you spend your time judging others that do no harm? live and let live. you are no god, you don't know the mind of god. you know nothing.
we are not at all in agreement. much evil has been done in the world by people who think they know whats best for others.
the only way homosexuality can be considered detrimental is if you consider procreation. but is that all we are? baby factories? we have minds that allow us to rise above our biology.
unhealthy? two gay men screwing is no more unhealthy then two heteros screwing. its promiscuity that leads to desease. furthermore its oppression and hate that drives people into depression and self hate that leads to people to self destructive behavior. in other words, irrational hate leads to suffering? perhaps.
from a biological point of view there is no difference between a homosexual and a heterosexual in terms of "health". only one has the ability to create a child, but thats a piss poor reason to dislike them.
cancer kills people. homosexuals do not.
in other words, you spend your time disliking people for no justifiable reason. in this giant world with all its unknowns, all the ignorance displayed by man throughout history and you spend your time judging others that do no harm? live and let live. you are no god, you don't know the mind of god. you know nothing.
The fact that heteros are 'more healthy' due to the fact that they can reproduce is something I've never heard before. Is that a definition of being healthy...the ability to reproduce naturally? Or simply your opinion?
Yes you are, stand by your opinions, more power to you, accept others who do not share your view, and i would even call you a man...
In the end, boonerebel, what did this thread prove?
Nothing, you are the same person you were before, others opinions of you do not matter if you have a good opinion of yourself...
Nothing, you are the same person you were before, others opinions of you do not matter if you have a good opinion of yourself...
Carpet munching is carpet munching . . . getting paid to do it is a sign of intelligence, immorality, or damn good fortune.
flavio
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Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Carpet munching is carpet munching . . . getting paid to do it is a sign of intelligence, immorality, or damn good fortune.
But Boonerebel thinks that homosexuals are on the same level as serial killers and has stated so in print.
Buush!t. You are directed your own personal likes/dislikes as far as I can tell.
Corn
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[edit]...speaking of hot lesbians, anyone seen the new Miller lite commercial?
Bwahahah, had me cracking up bigtime....too bad it was in the presence of my wife. All she said was "SEE!!!", and gave me a look as if I were somehow responsible (heh, well maybe indirectly I was....) for that commercial.
Damn fine commercial IMHO.
"let's make out"
Are you sure? No one could be that ignorant. All kinds of deviant behavior goes on behind closed doors in America. Ever try to surf for some respectable free pr0n on the internet? Psychiatry doesn't even have names for some of the activities of heterosexuals. If a dog could give informed consent I'm not sure I would object (morally) to bestiality . . . it's pretty disgusting behavior IMHO and damn degrading to the dog but who am I to judge?
I consider a lot things disgusting and/or degrading but I know not to confound my morality with true harm. I don't think it's healthy to have sex with animals . . . not my opinion, medical fact. I'm privy to far more than my share of unhealthy heterosexual relationships (married et al). I don't condemn all heterosexual relations, although some are not healthy . . . for the same reason I don't endorse all homosexual relations, although some are very healthy.
This is what I said: Do they need their own comicbook? What's next, a cartoon for three-toed exhibitionist underwater basketweaving serial killers? I didn't say that serial killers are on the same level. Can't you recognize an exaggeration when you see one? And we are all influenced by our own likes & dislikes. Du-uh...
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