I'm having the same issue and TBH it is discouraging. I was getting 25k+ PPD during most days in Dec then in early Jan I started getting a lot of these crap 80xx units and 6014 units which knocked an easy 10k+ PPD depending on how many I got throughout the day. I have an i7 @ 3.6-3.8 depending on cooling.
Right now I'm not folding b/c of a CPU fan issue so I can't run my machine all out but I'm in no hurry to get it fixed. I remember back in days when I had a farm of Athlon XPs and I'd be up until 2am fixing PCs just to get them online ASAP.
Right now I'm not folding b/c of a CPU fan issue so I can't run my machine all out but I'm in no hurry to get it fixed. I remember back in days when I had a farm of Athlon XPs and I'd be up until 2am fixing PCs just to get them online ASAP.
VirtualLarry
No Lifer
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Wow, that was quite a while ago. I remember doing a little distributed.net RC5 challenge on my Pentium MMX 166 @ 200, and my Pentium II 300 @ 450, but I hadn't heard of Folding@home yet. I think the classic Seti client existed back then too, but I've never been much of a fan of SETI.
blckgrffn
Diamond Member
"Originally Posted by biodoc
No problem theAnimal. These things always seem to happen when I'm out of town too.
I switched my linux smp clients from v6.34 to the v7 client and am seeing a boost in production. The v7 client is feeding 8001 and 8004 WUs where as the 6.34 client is grabbing other WUs. I don't have advmethods turned on with either client version. My 2600K is showing step times of ~25-26 sec on the 8001 and 8004 WUs which translates to >50K ppd. When using the 6.34 client, I was getting 30-33K ppd depending on the WU."
They must have fixed the 8xxx scores... too much. They were very tasty during our F@H Race. The 2600k I ran briefly was nearing ~40k ppd with them.
No problem theAnimal. These things always seem to happen when I'm out of town too.
I switched my linux smp clients from v6.34 to the v7 client and am seeing a boost in production. The v7 client is feeding 8001 and 8004 WUs where as the 6.34 client is grabbing other WUs. I don't have advmethods turned on with either client version. My 2600K is showing step times of ~25-26 sec on the 8001 and 8004 WUs which translates to >50K ppd. When using the 6.34 client, I was getting 30-33K ppd depending on the WU."
They must have fixed the 8xxx scores... too much. They were very tasty during our F@H Race. The 2600k I ran briefly was nearing ~40k ppd with them.
biodoc
Diamond Member
- Dec 29, 2005
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Yes, it looks like they reduced the bonus points for the 8001, 8004, 8011 WUs sometime in the middle of January. 
A quote from diwalker (Pande group member) in this thread: http://foldingforum.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=20535&hilit=8004+bonus
"According to my logs, everyone is getting the bonus points for these WU's. We have readjusted the bonus factors to be in line with other SMP projects so the bonus points are less than their earlier value."
A quote from diwalker (Pande group member) in this thread: http://foldingforum.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=20535&hilit=8004+bonus
"According to my logs, everyone is getting the bonus points for these WU's. We have readjusted the bonus factors to be in line with other SMP projects so the bonus points are less than their earlier value."
I don't believe I would call it "fixed". I avg 10k ppd on one of those 800x units. on pretty much all other units except 6014 I'm approx 30k ppd.
blckgrffn
Diamond Member
I was trying to say they were a little to high scoring compared to other WUs for a while, and they have swung pendulum to far back now... ie, I agree with you
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Well, I have stopped folding for now because of some BSODs with my SSD. I'm trying to see how I can solve it. As most of you know, some WUs get corrupted if a sudden system shutdown/freeze or BSOD happens. So I'll try to solve that first.
My CPU also passed Prime95 for 24 hours at 4.4GHz and 1.28V, but I'm not gonna bet complete stability on that. Some of the crashes have happened when I'm folding smp4 and gaming, for example, and a few times when the system is idle. Right now 4.3GHz seems Prime95 stable at 1.26V, but I'll try folding and see if I have any problems later on today. From what I can see folding@home can be even more intense than Prime95 and better at introducing system instability.
Also, does what I posted from the log look correctly set?
My CPU also passed Prime95 for 24 hours at 4.4GHz and 1.28V, but I'm not gonna bet complete stability on that. Some of the crashes have happened when I'm folding smp4 and gaming, for example, and a few times when the system is idle. Right now 4.3GHz seems Prime95 stable at 1.26V, but I'll try folding and see if I have any problems later on today. From what I can see folding@home can be even more intense than Prime95 and better at introducing system instability.
Also, does what I posted from the log look correctly set?
- Mar 26, 2011
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I'll go do that once I finish uni today, which should be pretty early. I'm on class typing this from my laptop, LOL.
-forceasm and -advmethods didn't do anything at all, so hopefully this helps me a bit. :|
I think forceasm and advmethods don't work on the v7 client. For the december race I used client-type advanced and max-packet-size big. I averaged about 12k ppd with my q9400@3.4.
- Mar 26, 2011
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Does this look right?
Code:
20:38:34:Saving configuration to config.xml
20:38:34:<config>
20:38:34: <!-- FahCore Control -->
20:38:34: <core-priority v='low'/>
20:38:34:
20:38:34: <!-- Folding Slot Configuration -->
20:38:34: <extra-core-args v='-smp8 -advmethods -forceasm'/>
20:38:34:
20:38:34: <!-- Network -->
20:38:34: <proxy v=':8080'/>
20:38:34:
20:38:34: <!-- User Information -->
20:38:34: <passkey v='********************************'/>
20:38:34: <team v='198'/>
20:38:34: <user v='LOL_Wut_Axel'/>
20:38:34:
20:38:34: <!-- Folding Slots -->
20:38:34: <slot id='0' type='SMP'>
20:38:34: <client-type v='advanced'/>
20:38:34: <cpus v='8'/>
20:38:34: <max-packet-size v='big'/>
20:38:34: </slot>
20:38:34:</config>Just for some fun, I'll run folding@home on my new laptop too. It's got a Core i5-2410M; how many PPD should it get? I'm betting around 7-8K or so.
EDIT: you are my hero.
I just got a 7611 project on my desktop plus I'm folding a 7200 project on my laptop. I love you. :wub:
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- Mar 26, 2011
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Started folding on my laptop and got a 7200 WU, much better than my sig desktop which has around 2.5x the processing power.
/DOES NOT UNDERSTAND.
EDIT:
NVM.
/DOES NOT UNDERSTAND.
EDIT:
NVM.
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blckgrffn
Diamond Member
Welcome to folding during a points adjustment period
It should get straightened out soon. Believe it or not, there are folks that are very concerned about keeping people involved with the F@H project
- Mar 26, 2011
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Welcome to folding during a points adjustment period
It should get straightened out soon. Believe it or not, there are folks that are very concerned about keeping people involved with the F@H project
It appears that everything is back to normal. I followed salvorhardin's instructions and I am now folding away at 23K points with a 7611 WU on my desktop and 4K points with a 7200 WU on my laptop. Current credit/point estimates for both projects are ~6000 for desktop and ~2000 for laptop. Power consumption for both systems is roughly 175W.
:awe::thumbsup:For now, all I can do is give a huge thanks. You guys are awesome. :wub:
If anything else comes up I'll post it here.
- Mar 26, 2011
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Looks like my celebrations were too early on.
Now all I'm getting nonstop are 8011 WUs on my laptop and desktop even after I followed the configuration recommendations. This is really starting to piss me off.
Still have no idea why the hell this keeps happening. I finished the 7611 WU I mentioned earlier and got roughly 5850 points from it. Also finished the 7200 project on my laptop and got roughly 1800 points. If they finished successfully, why would all the WUs that come afterwards be crap? The fact they finished within the deadline should be enough to tell the server I have more than enough processing power. *sigh*
Now all I'm getting nonstop are 8011 WUs on my laptop and desktop even after I followed the configuration recommendations. This is really starting to piss me off.
Code:
11:38:53:Saving configuration to config.xml
11:38:53:<config>
11:38:53: <!-- FahCore Control -->
11:38:53: <core-priority v='low'/>
11:38:53:
11:38:53: <!-- Network -->
11:38:53: <proxy v=':8080'/>
11:38:53:
11:38:53: <!-- User Information -->
11:38:53: <passkey v='********************************'/>
11:38:53: <team v='198'/>
11:38:53: <user v='LOL_Wut_Axel'/>
11:38:53:
11:38:53: <!-- Folding Slots -->
11:38:53: <slot id='0' type='SMP'>
11:38:53: <client-type v='advanced'/>
11:38:53: <cpus v='8'/>
11:38:53: <max-packet-size v='big'/>
11:38:53: </slot>
11:38:53:</config>
11:39:14:WU00:FS00:Connecting to assign3.stanford.edu:8080
11:39:14:WU00:FS00:News: Welcome to Folding@Home
11:39:14:WU00:FS00:Assigned to work server 171.67.108.60
11:39:14:WU00:FS00:Requesting new work unit for slot 00: READY smp:8 from 171.67.108.60
11:39:14:WU00:FS00:Connecting to 171.67.108.60:8080
11:39:15:WU00:FS00:Downloading 611.99KiB
11:39:22:WU00:FS00:Download 100.00%
11:39:22:WU00:FS00:Download complete
11:39:22:WU00:FS00:Received Unit: id:00 state:DOWNLOAD error:OK project:8011 run:0 clone:603 gen:64 core:0xa4 unit:0x000000916652edcc4efd78e71e75cfc2
11:39:22:WU00:FS00:Starting
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11:39:22:WU00:FS00:Started FahCore on PID 2848
11:39:22:WU00:FS00:Core PID:1088
11:39:22:WU00:FS00:FahCore 0xa4 started
11:39:22:WU00:FS00:0xa4:
11:39:22:WU00:FS00:0xa4:*------------------------------*
11:39:22:WU00:FS00:0xa4:Folding@Home Gromacs GB Core
11:39:22:WU00:FS00:0xa4:Version 2.27 (Dec. 15, 2010)
11:39:22:WU00:FS00:0xa4:
11:39:22:WU00:FS00:0xa4:Preparing to commence simulation
11:39:22:WU00:FS00:0xa4:- Looking at optimizations...
11:39:22:WU00:FS00:0xa4:- Created dyn
11:39:22:WU00:FS00:0xa4:- Files status OK
11:39:22:WU00:FS00:0xa4:- Expanded 626162 -> 1492924 (decompressed 238.4 percent)
11:39:22:WU00:FS00:0xa4:Called DecompressByteArray: compressed_data_size=626162 data_size=1492924, decompressed_data_size=1492924 diff=0
11:39:22:WU00:FS00:0xa4:- Digital signature verified
11:39:22:WU00:FS00:0xa4:
11:39:22:WU00:FS00:0xa4:Project: 8011 (Run 0, Clone 603, Gen 64)
11:39:22:WU00:FS00:0xa4:
11:39:22:WU00:FS00:0xa4:Assembly optimizations on if available.
11:39:22:WU00:FS00:0xa4:Entering M.D.
11:39:28:WU00:FS00:0xa4:Mapping NT from 8 to 8
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12:45:10:WU01:FS00:Connecting to assign3.stanford.edu:8080
12:45:10:WU01:FS00:News: Welcome to Folding@Home
12:45:10:WU01:FS00:Assigned to work server 171.67.108.60
12:45:10:WU01:FS00:Requesting new work unit for slot 00: RUNNING smp:8 from 171.67.108.60
12:45:10:WU01:FS00:Connecting to 171.67.108.60:8080
12:45:11:WU01:FS00:Downloading 612.31KiB
12:45:14:WU01:FS00:Download complete
12:45:14:WU01:FS00:Received Unit: id:01 state:DOWNLOAD error:OK project:8011 run:2 clone:1955 gen:51 core:0xa4 unit:0x000000466652edcc4efd7d628fdab163
12:45:49:WU00:FS00:0xa4:Completed 250000 out of 250000 steps (100%)
12:45:49:WU00:FS00:0xa4:DynamicWrapper: Finished Work Unit: sleep=10000
12:45:59:WU00:FS00:0xa4:
12:45:59:WU00:FS00:0xa4:Finished Work Unit:
12:45:59:WU00:FS00:0xa4:- Reading up to 895524 from "00/wudata_01.trr": Read 895524
12:45:59:WU00:FS00:0xa4:trr file hash check passed.
12:45:59:WU00:FS00:0xa4:- Reading up to 530816 from "00/wudata_01.xtc": Read 530816
12:45:59:WU00:FS00:0xa4:xtc file hash check passed.
12:45:59:WU00:FS00:0xa4:edr file hash check passed.
12:45:59:WU00:FS00:0xa4:logfile size: 22681
12:45:59:WU00:FS00:0xa4:Leaving Run
12:46:01:WU00:FS00:0xa4:- Writing 1454425 bytes of core data to disk...
12:46:02:WU00:FS00:0xa4:Done: 1453913 -> 1385339 (compressed to 95.2 percent)
12:46:02:WU00:FS00:0xa4: ... Done.
12:46:02:WU00:FS00:0xa4:- Shutting down core
12:46:02:WU00:FS00:0xa4:
12:46:02:WU00:FS00:0xa4:Folding@home Core Shutdown: FINISHED_UNIT
12:46:02:WU00:FS00:FahCore returned: FINISHED_UNIT (100 = 0x64)
12:46:02:WU00:FS00:Sending unit results: id:00 state:SEND error:OK project:8011 run:0 clone:603 gen:64 core:0xa4 unit:0x000000916652edcc4efd78e71e75cfc2
12:46:02:WU00:FS00:Uploading 1.32MiB to 171.67.108.60
12:46:02:WU00:FS00:Connecting to 171.67.108.60:8080
12:46:02:WU01:FS00:Starting
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12:46:02:WU01:FS00:Started FahCore on PID 756
12:46:02:WU01:FS00:Core PID:1584
12:46:02:WU01:FS00:FahCore 0xa4 started
12:46:03:WU01:FS00:0xa4:
12:46:03:WU01:FS00:0xa4:*------------------------------*
12:46:03:WU01:FS00:0xa4:Folding@Home Gromacs GB Core
12:46:03:WU01:FS00:0xa4:Version 2.27 (Dec. 15, 2010)
12:46:03:WU01:FS00:0xa4:
12:46:03:WU01:FS00:0xa4:Preparing to commence simulation
12:46:03:WU01:FS00:0xa4:- Looking at optimizations...
12:46:03:WU01:FS00:0xa4:- Created dyn
12:46:03:WU01:FS00:0xa4:- Files status OK
12:46:03:WU01:FS00:0xa4:- Expanded 626495 -> 1492924 (decompressed 238.2 percent)
12:46:03:WU01:FS00:0xa4:Called DecompressByteArray: compressed_data_size=626495 data_size=1492924, decompressed_data_size=1492924 diff=0
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12:46:33:WU00:FS00:Cleaning upStill have no idea why the hell this keeps happening. I finished the 7611 WU I mentioned earlier and got roughly 5850 points from it. Also finished the 7200 project on my laptop and got roughly 1800 points. If they finished successfully, why would all the WUs that come afterwards be crap? The fact they finished within the deadline should be enough to tell the server I have more than enough processing power. *sigh*
blckgrffn
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You just have to take what they give you
I think the difference between a 6901 and a 6904 WU for me was ~40k ppd. When they both take days to finish that is sort of a drag. Perhaps you should continue to celebrate when you get a good WU and take the 8xxx WUs as a new baseline, that way you can be happy instead of sad
That, or work on BOINC projects like World Community Grid (which we are doing a push on right now.) Your points will likely never waiver there, which can be sorta boring as well
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You just have to take what they give you
I think the difference between a 6901 and a 6904 WU for me was ~40k ppd. When they both take days to finish that is sort of a drag. Perhaps you should continue to celebrate when you get a good WU and take the 8xxx WUs as a new baseline, that way you can be happy instead of sad
That, or work on BOINC projects like World Community Grid (which we are doing a push on right now.) Your points will likely never waiver there, which can be sorta boring as well
If I keep getting these crappy WUs I'll have to call it quits and I'll end the client on my laptop and I'll only run smp4 sometimes on my desktop.
Personally, I think it's unacceptable that my desktop, which per Standford's own estimates has more than 4x the processing power as my laptop, is getting the exact same work units. Completely unacceptable. As a matter of fact, I still find it unacceptable that my laptop is getting 8011 WUs when it was clearly adept at finishing the 7200 WU. Why are they punishing us, the ones with higher-end machines and more processing power, by giving us work units suited to low-end PCs with much lower processing power (something with a Celeron Dual-Core, for example)?
Pisses me off to no end, and if it continues I'll look at another DC project like you said.
However, you guys have helped me a lot, so thanks.
/Rant.
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VirtualLarry
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I think that's a bit short-sighted. They don't send out WUs just so you can get the big points, they send out WUs to try to figure out the science behind things. Perhaps they just have more of those WUs to send out?
Yes, I agree that F@H's point system is basically semi-fubar, but what can you do?
If you want steady points, look into GPU folding.
blckgrffn
Diamond Member
Exactly. They do what they must because they can. For Science.
GPU folding doesn't even have bonus, TMK, so it is very predictable. With the three GPUs in my sig, I get 13k ppd everyday. And I mean like clockwork.
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Exactly. They do what they must because they can. For Science.
GPU folding doesn't even have bonus, TMK, so it is very predictable. With the three GPUs in my sig, I get 13k ppd everyday. And I mean like clockwork.
Well, if I'm honest, I'm more in this for the competition, though I do value the scientific research. To that point, remember that the simpler/smaller work units means what you're sending is less scientifically significant.
Also, the VAST majority of computers are folding uniprocessor or smp2. Those are, by extension, the units which get worked on and sent the most. So I very much doubt those are the only units available. It's simply shenanigans those of us with high-end components have to deal with. In the last 24 hours I have accumulated roughly 25K points, but all I'm getting are crappy 8011 WUs. I am seriously considering quitting.
As for GPU folding, that is definitely a valid argument. With that alone I can now see why some people would forgo CPU folding, even if it means 2-4x higher power consumption and costlier components.
blckgrffn
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I bet you could pull down 12-14k ppd with that nice folding GPU you have in your sig. Like you said, that'd be more power consumed.
Hmm... I would think it would difficult the *merit* of the WU you sent back in regards to value to science though.
You missed the -bigadv time when you could have pulled some really awesome PPD with that rig, sadly
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1) AFAIK the client doesn't really choose WUs based on hardware. There is the option in the CLI client, but I've never actually seen that change anything.
2) While I understand the frustration of this, the Pande Lab is given money by the NIH, Stanford, and private donors to do scientific research, not to appease donors. A lot of the people that Fold do so because they have loved ones suffering from the conditions that could potentially be treated or even prevented with a better knowledge of protein folding, and that is the number one priority. You matter, obviously, but your butthurt in this situation is really negligible compared to the distress of relatives of and patients suffering from neurodegenerative, malignant, and autoimmune disorders.
3) While the vast majority of computers run the uniprocessor client, it really is insignificant in terms of actual processing power:
http://fah-web.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=osstats
I would characterise most uniprocessor clients as running under Windows, and I think this is a fair assumption to make. Considering this, even though the number of active CPUs far outweighs all other clients, look at the FLOPS columns (both native and x86). Linux clients, the vast majority of which would be HPC clients running larger bigadv systems or at the very least smp4, are almost at the level of the entire Windows client; this is not counting Windows SMP clients and GPU clients. Because of the limitations of the uniprocessor client, it is being marginalized to small WUs that require CPU flexibility to run; all other WUs could be much better run on either the SMP or GPU clients. However, small WUs themselves are not necessarily less significant; I don't know how Stanford divides up the proteins into work units, but there is very little correlation in physiology between protein size and importance of function, and even if there were such a correlation, I see no reason for Stanford to divide up proteins so that more important proteins get larger chunks. Indeed, I would see the opposite as being true; more important proteins should get divided into smaller parts so they can be more parallelized, run faster, and return quicker.
GLeeM
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I'm not sure about the "smaller". Systems with more ram could hold larger chunks and are generally newer, faster systems with more cores that will return WUs quicker. So the projects most important to them will go to these systems and have very short deadlines to get the results back soonest so they can send the next WU out and get it back faster (remember that the next in line WU is created from returned results). If the line is 100 WUs long, quick returns makes a huge difference.
Return in one day versus return in five days is 100 vs. 500 days to find a possible cure. (Uniprocessor client WUs can have deadlines on the order of 30 or 60 days or more?) So as soon as a short deadline WU is returned, a new WU is created and sent out to the next qualified computer needing another WU. If a 16-core system needs another WU and there is no "special" WU to send the server sends something else. It works the same for your 8-core system.
Also, there is priority set for each project so some fast 8-core systems will get other projects. Imagine a researcher begging the priority setter to give his project higher priority than another researcher!?! So the server will send this one for 10 minutes & and the next for 5 minutes & the next for 20 minutes. What you get depends on where in the priority "steps" the server is.
Same for me!
After 7+ years of folding (4+ years doing a daily F@H stats thread) I decided to explore BOINC a little more. Now I am having fun trying to get many projects over different Milestones.
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I bet you could pull down 12-14k ppd with that nice folding GPU you have in your sig. Like you said, that'd be more power consumed.
Hmm... I would think it would difficult the *merit* of the WU you sent back in regards to value to science though.
You missed the -bigadv time when you could have pulled some really awesome PPD with that rig, sadly
Yeah, when I was GPU folding I always got 12K flat since all the work units were exactly the same. The problem is that it gives me about half what the CPU can do on 75% of occasions, and it consumes nearly 2x the amount of power my CPU does. But now the situation for the CPU proved even worse: yesterday with the 8011 WUs I pulled nearly 30K points combined with my laptop and desktop running, but since early on today I was getting 8004 WUs. That alone cut my PPD by almost 10K, so I decided to step down for now and just fold smp4. If I do smp4 I can also game without problems, so it's not all bad.
What's in bold: what does that have to do with anything? We're talking about points and people with higher-end hardware getting low-end work units. What does that have to do with me and the people that (sadly) have lost relatives or friends over diseases having to do with proteins? I achieved almost 30K points yesterday.
The rest, I find interesting and it does make sense. For a long time Linux has been the OS of choice for people that have 24/7 folding computers or farms running -bigadv or -smp8. For the GPU clients I've seen most people use Windows, though, but I could be wrong. From what I've read there's better support for NVIDIA cards on Windows than Linux, and a lot of people that do GPU folding on a large scale do so with dual-GPU cards (GTX 295, 9800GX2, GTX 590) running on a single motherboard with support for three or four of them.
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