Alternative Facts and where is it heading

[cytg111]

This pretty much covers my concerns about the current status of things.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/03/politics/conway-bowling-green/index.html

"Know all lies, tell the truth".

Kellyanne Conway : The Bowling Green massacre.

https://twitter.com/joesonka/status/827344429086289921

Just plain out falsehoods. Lies and more lies.
What is worrisome to me is this shift in culture where it is apparantly acceptable and ok for me to have paid my rent if I feel like i have paid it AND have enough twitter followers.
What is worrisome is the tactics of the current administration and I dont think this is simply incompetence, I think that every so often they up the ante a bit, just to see what they can get away with.

Tell a lie in public, examine the ratings.
Tell a bigger lie, examine the ratings again.
Is CNN picking it up? Counter measure fake-news.
Is Fox picking it up, if not, good to go.
Repeat

Its like Trump said at some point, he could walk up to someone on the street and shoot him/her in the head and not loose voters. They are testing that theory right now.
What is the margin between an acceptable alternative fact and the actual truth is the margin where they can do what the hell they want, pulling a rug over the voter base and pissing everyone else in the face and do it laughing.
Trump is old, he will not face the consequences of these actions.
After such a great divide what can possible pull a country back together again? I can only think of war, an external enemy and all that.

 

[boomerang]

CNN and facts? I just read a story this morning about how CNN spun the plagiarism story against Monica Crowley by omitting her footnotes. CNN is not in the business of telling you any form of truth, they are in the business of selling ad space based on viewers and readership. Believe what they tell you at your own risk.

http://www.chicksontheright.com/update-on-monica-crowley-and-the-plagiarism-accusations/

We all have to decide what makes us comfortable. If believing what CNN tells you satisfies some needs you have, then by all means continue. If you like being in a state of agitation, while ridden with anxiety then you have found a great source of news for you. If you'd like to go through life happier and with less drama, then really, really try to understand that there just might be some manipulation of your psyche going on and that you have choices.

CNN has got you whipping up conspiracy theories to the extent that you feel you have to share them with the rest of us. From your viewpoint that might seem great, but from here it doesn't look all that good. From the perspective of your overall health.

 

[VRAMdemon]

^^^ Lol...Conway posts here. what a surprise..

Anyway...here is the Bowling Green Massacre. I hear Bowling Green is a fine place to massacre your enemies.

http://www.findahaunt.com/single/10246

My prayers go out to the families and friends of those massacred in Bowling Green. Any prayers coming out of me would be as real as said massacre.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

CNN and facts? I just read a story this morning about how CNN spun the plagiarism story against Monica Crowley by omitting her footnotes. CNN is not in the business of telling you any form of truth, they are in the business of selling ad space based on viewers and readership. Believe what they tell you at your own risk.

http://www.chicksontheright.com/update-on-monica-crowley-and-the-plagiarism-accusations/

We all have to decide what makes us comfortable. If believing what CNN tells you satisfies some needs you have, then by all means continue. If you like being in a state of agitation, while ridden with anxiety then you have found a great source of news for you. If you'd like to go through life happier and with less drama, then really, really try to understand that there just might be some manipulation of your psyche going on and that you have choices.

CNN has got you whipping up conspiracy theories to the extent that you feel you have to share them with the rest of us. From your viewpoint that might seem great, but from here it doesn't look all that good. From the perspective of your overall health.

Now back to the President's people who happen to be running the nation. How do you justify a spokesperson being so ignorant? Trump obviously isn't concerned with truth because he would have canned her after the "alternative facts" statement. CNN doesn't really matter at all in this case. If you think they are unfair find an alternative reality site on which this woman doesn't say what she did. This person represents the voice of the President and it's insane.

 

[cytg111]

CNN and facts? I just read a story this morning about how CNN spun the plagiarism story against Monica Crowley by omitting her footnotes. CNN is not in the business of telling you any form of truth, they are in the business of selling ad space based on viewers and readership. Believe what they tell you at your own risk.

http://www.chicksontheright.com/update-on-monica-crowley-and-the-plagiarism-accusations/

We all have to decide what makes us comfortable. If believing what CNN tells you satisfies some needs you have, then by all means continue. If you like being in a state of agitation, while ridden with anxiety then you have found a great source of news for you. If you'd like to go through life happier and with less drama, then really, really try to understand that there just might be some manipulation of your psyche going on and that you have choices.

CNN has got you whipping up conspiracy theories to the extent that you feel you have to share them with the rest of us. From your viewpoint that might seem great, but from here it doesn't look all that good. From the perspective of your overall health.

https://www.google.ca/search?q=Bowl...ceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#q=Bowling+Green+Massacre

Everybody is coming from some sort of angle, that is true. What is also true is that not all angles is created equal. Some angles will be 15 degrees and one particular will be what is known as a Crazy Ivan (pun intented) aka 180 degrees. Trump And Kellyanna is 180 aka Crazy Ivan class post factual considerarion.
What is sad is that Trump & Co has convinced you that a professional newsoutlet, with an angle, is 100% fake news. That is limiting you cognitive circumference to a degree(more pun) that per definition cannot include half your countrymen.
That shit is dangerous.

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We all have to decide what makes us comfortable. If believing what CNN tells you satisfies some needs you have, then by all means continue. If you like being in a state of agitation, while ridden with anxiety then you have found a great source of news for you. If you'd like to go through life happier and with less drama, then really, really try to understand that there just might be some manipulation of your psyche going on and that you have choices.

- Ignorance is bliss. True that. You consider yourself blissful? .

 

[vi edit]

The sad truth is that it works. It's the toothpaste theory. Squeeze it out of the tube and it's pretty much impossible to put back in. Their entire campaign was run on that model. And it worked. Just float the theory out there enough time and it starts to stick. People are too stupid and lazy to really verify things on their own and just accept it. Checking facts is hard. Oooh look next season of Duck Dynasty is on. Hillary for prison!

 

[Grooveriding]

I don't think it's laziness to check facts or even caring about what is and is not factual. There is a large swathe of people who don't care either way, but because it ticks the right box of hatred, they'll run with it because it feels good. The reality you see with some of Trump's support is that a large amount of people are just pretty awful.

 

[VRAMdemon]

She intentionally phrased it in a way that would make the media lose their mind and have everyone googling today.

She wasn't refering to an incident that happened, but to one that was thwarted. They caught the 2 little pieces of garbage before they could do anything. But there was little to no media coverage. And now everybody knows that Iraqi refugees were here intending to do harm.

She is privy to information that the average Che lover is not. KAC knows exactly what she's doing when she spouts these lies. All she has to do is wrinkle her nose, say "massacre", and poof! She just invented a new alternative fact.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

She intentionally phrased it in a way that would make the media lose their mind and have everyone googling today.

She wasn't refering to an incident that happened, but to one that was thwarted. They caught the 2 little pieces of garbage before they could do anything. But there was little to no media coverage. And now everybody knows that Iraqi refugees were here intending to do harm.

She is privy to information that the average Che lover is not. KAC knows exactly what she's doing when she spouts these lies. All she has to do is wrinkle her nose, say "massacre", and poof! She just invented a new alternative fact.

Admittedly I only caught the tail-end of her discussion with Mathews and I may be wrong on this but if this was the case why did she phrase it like Obama failed for not detecting them? Should Obama have received more media coverage for an effective policy?

 

[Ichinisan]

She intentionally phrased it in a way that would make the media lose their mind and have everyone googling today.

She wasn't refering to an incident that happened, but to one that was thwarted. They caught the 2 little pieces of garbage before they could do anything. But there was little to no media coverage. And now everybody knows that Iraqi refugees were here intending to do harm.

She is privy to information that the average Che lover is not. KAC knows exactly what she's doing when she spouts these lies. All she has to do is wrinkle her nose, say "massacre", and poof! She just invented a new alternative fact.

I read they had absolutely zero intention to attack within the US. They were acquiring weapons to traffic back to terrorists overseas. From what I can tell, there was no evidence or suggestion that they intended to commit an attack within the US until she made that statement.

 

[fskimospy]

CNN and facts? I just read a story this morning about how CNN spun the plagiarism story against Monica Crowley by omitting her footnotes. CNN is not in the business of telling you any form of truth, they are in the business of selling ad space based on viewers and readership. Believe what they tell you at your own risk.

http://www.chicksontheright.com/update-on-monica-crowley-and-the-plagiarism-accusations/

We all have to decide what makes us comfortable. If believing what CNN tells you satisfies some needs you have, then by all means continue. If you like being in a state of agitation, while ridden with anxiety then you have found a great source of news for you. If you'd like to go through life happier and with less drama, then really, really try to understand that there just might be some manipulation of your psyche going on and that you have choices.

CNN has got you whipping up conspiracy theories to the extent that you feel you have to share them with the rest of us. From your viewpoint that might seem great, but from here it doesn't look all that good. From the perspective of your overall health.

You can't straight out copy someone else's material verbatim like she did and then put a mention about it in footnotes. That is absolutely considered plagiarism. Is there any lie by these idiots you won't believe?

Boomerang and other useful idiots like him are actually super relevant to the OP, even if he did it unintentionally. We have a large percentage of our population that is willing to believe in and accept basically whatever their political sports team tells them, meaning there is no penalty for lying. Hell, in this case he took his side's lies and then used them to declare that CNN was lying when they were telling the truth.

If you had a choice between the truth, which sometimes doesn't go your way, and lies, which always go your way, doesn't it make sense just to lie all the time? There are millions of boomerangs out there just aching for you to tell them what they want to hear.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Admittedly I only caught the tail-end of her discussion with Mathews and I may be wrong on this but if this was the case why did she phrase it like Obama failed for not detecting them? Should Obama have received more media coverage for an effective policy?

I would assume it's to give the impression of failure of his system and justification for banning all refugee's. The security systems we had in place at the time were sufficient to keep these two from committing the crimes if that was what was intended. Our systems are redundant, so that a hole in one level can get caught at another level. The system worked. To give the impression that it didn't is the Trump administration's goal.

It's possible or plausible that there was a confidential informant who alerted the FBI to these dudes' murderous intents. It's also possible, but just speculation that this CI was a member of the Iraqi immigrant community, who trusted the FBI enough to let them know what's going on. It's also plausible that a policy that welcomes immigrants and makes them feel part of the American Experiment is going to keep us safer than one that treats immigrants as the enemy.

 

[HomerJS]

CNN and facts? I just read a story this morning about how CNN spun the plagiarism story against Monica Crowley by omitting her footnotes. CNN is not in the business of telling you any form of truth, they are in the business of selling ad space based on viewers and readership. Believe what they tell you at your own risk.

http://www.chicksontheright.com/update-on-monica-crowley-and-the-plagiarism-accusations/

We all have to decide what makes us comfortable. If believing what CNN tells you satisfies some needs you have, then by all means continue. If you like being in a state of agitation, while ridden with anxiety then you have found a great source of news for you. If you'd like to go through life happier and with less drama, then really, really try to understand that there just might be some manipulation of your psyche going on and that you have choices.

CNN has got you whipping up conspiracy theories to the extent that you feel you have to share them with the rest of us. From your viewpoint that might seem great, but from here it doesn't look all that good. From the perspective of your overall health.

Who in your opinion tells the truth? If the answer is none of them then who in IYO is better at truth telling then most?

 

[VRAMdemon]

I read they had absolutely zero intention to attack within the US. They were acquiring weapons to traffic back to terrorists overseas. From what I can tell, there was no evidence or suggestion that they intended to commit an attack within the US until she made that statement.

Yeah, if true, then I stand corrected..

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I would assume it's to give the impression of failure of his system and justification for banning all refugee's. The security systems we had in place at the time were sufficient to keep these two from committing the crimes if that was what was intended. Our systems are redundant, so that a hole in one level can get caught at another level. The system worked. To give the impression that it didn't is the Trump administration's goal.

It's possible or plausible that there was a confidential informant who alerted the FBI to these dudes' murderous intents. It's also possible, but just speculation that this CI was a member of the Iraqi immigrant community, who trusted the FBI enough to let them know what's going on. It's also plausible that a policy that welcomes immigrants and makes them feel part of the American Experiment is going to keep us safer than one that treats immigrants as the enemy.

Sounds like at best she is intentionally misleading or she is telling a bold lie and the complete worst case is she believed something happened that obviously didn't happen. Even assuming the above is correct I still don't get what the point of saying something false was. I'd love a follow up question to her did this event happen or not happen.

 

[cytg111]

Boomerang and other useful idiots like him are actually super relevant to the OP, even if he did it unintentionally. We have a large percentage of our population that is willing to believe in and accept basically whatever their political sports team tells them, meaning there is no penalty for lying. Hell, in this case he took his side's lies and then used them to declare that CNN was lying when they were telling the truth..

I dont think its useful to call a segment "useful idiots", no matter what way they adressed you first. Whatever comes next after this clusterfuck has got to be a holistic paradigm, something that includes all, and when that time comes it will be usefull if everyone is not sitting up in trees approximating the stratosphere.. thats some mighty high trees to descend from.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Yeah, if true, then I stand corrected..

Looked into it myself from a few sources and there's no question that the intent was to move weapons overseas and there was no attempt at terrorism in Bowling Green whatsoever. There was more of a massacree (sic) at a Stockbridge, MA restaurant on Thanksgiving.

 

[fskimospy]

I dont think its useful to call a segment "useful idiots", no matter what way they adressed you first. Whatever comes next after this clusterfuck has got to be a holistic paradigm, something that includes all, and when that time comes it will be usefull if everyone is not sitting up in trees approximating the stratosphere.. thats some mighty high trees to descend from.

I find it highly unlikely that boomerang is able to change and improve even if he wanted to, and it's abundantly clear that he doesn't want to. It's important to realize that some people are just lost causes and it's too late for them, that way you can focus on the people that aren't.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Looked into it myself from a few sources and there's no question that the intent was to move weapons overseas and there was no attempt at terrorism in Bowling Green whatsoever. There was more of a massacree (sic) at a Stockbridge, MA restaurant on Thanksgiving.

Thank's for the clarification

 

[Jhhnn]

The sad truth is that it works. It's the toothpaste theory. Squeeze it out of the tube and it's pretty much impossible to put back in. Their entire campaign was run on that model. And it worked. Just float the theory out there enough time and it starts to stick. People are too stupid and lazy to really verify things on their own and just accept it. Checking facts is hard. Oooh look next season of Duck Dynasty is on. Hillary for prison!

The objective of the Trump team has always been to sling so much bullshit so fast that refutation becomes impossible. Insincerity is total.

 

[vi edit]

Yep. I just was messaging my wife about this topic. It's a war *on* facts. Not *of* facts.

 

[nakedfrog]

CNN and facts? I just read a story this morning about how CNN spun the plagiarism story against Monica Crowley by omitting her footnotes. CNN is not in the business of telling you any form of truth, they are in the business of selling ad space based on viewers and readership. Believe what they tell you at your own risk.

http://www.chicksontheright.com/update-on-monica-crowley-and-the-plagiarism-accusations/

We all have to decide what makes us comfortable. If believing what CNN tells you satisfies some needs you have, then by all means continue. If you like being in a state of agitation, while ridden with anxiety then you have found a great source of news for you. If you'd like to go through life happier and with less drama, then really, really try to understand that there just might be some manipulation of your psyche going on and that you have choices.

CNN has got you whipping up conspiracy theories to the extent that you feel you have to share them with the rest of us. From your viewpoint that might seem great, but from here it doesn't look all that good. From the perspective of your overall health.

Still poisoning the well instead of commenting on whether or not you think the Bowling Green massacre is an actual thing that happened, eh?

 

[nakedfrog]

Looked into it myself from a few sources and there's no question that the intent was to move weapons overseas and there was no attempt at terrorism in Bowling Green whatsoever. There was more of a massacree (sic) at a Stockbridge, MA restaurant on Thanksgiving.

I'll keep my eyes peeled for a red VW microbus.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

She's admitted her mistake. I'll give credit here.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...g-green-massacre’-error/ar-AAmAuBc?li=BBnb7Kz

On Friday morning, Ms. Conway admitted she had made an error: “Honest mistakes abound,” she wrote on Twitter

 

[HomerJS]

She's admitted her mistake. I'll give credit here.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/kellyanne-conway-admits-‘bowling-green-massacre’-error/ar-AAmAuBc?li=BBnb7Kz

A mistake in the context of a pattern is not a mistake.