Alright gear heads, I need your advise...

[K1052]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: Viper GTS
For the amount of money it would cost to replace that motor, why don't you just buy a newer LT1/LS1 Z28?

Viper GTS

I don't know if that engine will fit in my car. This is the body right before the newer Camaro body style.

The LT1 and LS1 will fit under the hood of your 3rd gen. I think Viper advocates selling you current car and getting a 4th gen (newer body style) F-body.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: Viper GTS
For the amount of money it would cost to replace that motor, why don't you just buy a newer LT1/LS1 Z28?

Viper GTS

I don't know if that engine will fit in my car. This is the body right before the newer Camaro body style.

The LT1 and LS1 will fit under the hood of your 3rd gen. I think Viper advocates selling you current car and getting a 4th gen (newer body style) F-body.

Well, I love my car and I got it because I like this body style better than the newer ones. I think the newer Camaros are still pretty mean looking though. 😉

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: Viper GTS
For the amount of money it would cost to replace that motor, why don't you just buy a newer LT1/LS1 Z28?

Viper GTS

I don't know if that engine will fit in my car. This is the body right before the newer Camaro body style.

The LT1 and LS1 will fit under the hood of your 3rd gen. I think Viper advocates selling you current car and getting a 4th gen (newer body style) F-body.

Well, I love my car and I got it because I like this body style better than the newer ones. I think the newer Camaros are still pretty mean looking though. 😉

As do I. I own a 1988 IROC-Z28.

 

[Quixfire]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: Viper GTS
For the amount of money it would cost to replace that motor, why don't you just buy a newer LT1/LS1 Z28?

Viper GTS

I don't know if that engine will fit in my car. This is the body right before the newer Camaro body style.

Edit: Nevermind. I see you can put an LS1 in my car. How much do you think it will cost and what kind of power can I expect from it.


I wish I knew as much about cars as you guys know. Sh!t, I'd be happy paying someone and saying, "just make it faster. You know what to do." 🙂

I think he meant buying the whole car instead of upgrading yours.

 

[JackBurton]

All I have to say is DAMN!!!!

Check out the before and after pics! Jesus Christ, I didn't know people actually strip down their cars COMPLETELY! I would LOVE to do this with my car.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: JackBurton
All I have to say is DAMN!!!!

Check out the before and after pics! Jesus Christ, I didn't know people actually strip down their cars COMPLETELY! I would LOVE to do this with my car.

lol.. That's what you gotta do to do some things. 😀

It takes a lot of time, a lot of patience.. and most importantly, the tools.. mmmm.. tools.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: Viper GTS
For the amount of money it would cost to replace that motor, why don't you just buy a newer LT1/LS1 Z28?

Viper GTS

I don't know if that engine will fit in my car. This is the body right before the newer Camaro body style.

Edit: Nevermind. I see you can put an LS1 in my car. How much do you think it will cost and what kind of power can I expect from it.


I wish I knew as much about cars as you guys know. Sh!t, I'd be happy paying someone and saying, "just make it faster. You know what to do." 🙂

Cost depends on what you can find. There are lots of wrecked 4th gens out there. As for power IIRC they should be run 320HP.

Also find out what gears you have in the rear end. I assume it is running the stock 10 bolt. I would pull the RPO codes from the car and run them through the decoder at thirdgen.org to see what you have. The sticker with the codes should inside the center console.

 

[Viper GTS]

Sorry, I thought it was clear that I meant replacing the entire vehicle...

The Z28/SS F-body is damn fast in stock form, & there are TONS of aftermarket parts & upgrades for the LT1 (pre 1998) and LS1 (1998-2002).

You would be far better off replacing the vehicle & building off a better platform.

Viper GTS

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Viper GTS
Sorry, I thought it was clear that I meant replacing the entire vehicle...

The Z28/SS F-body is damn fast in stock form, & there are TONS of aftermarket parts & upgrades for the LT1 (pre 1998) and LS1 (1998-2002).

You would be far better off replacing the vehicle & building off a better platform.

Viper GTS

Some people just have and inexplicable attraction to the 3rd gen body style.
I am one of them.😱

 

[Viper GTS]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Viper GTS
Sorry, I thought it was clear that I meant replacing the entire vehicle...

The Z28/SS F-body is damn fast in stock form, & there are TONS of aftermarket parts & upgrades for the LT1 (pre 1998) and LS1 (1998-2002).

You would be far better off replacing the vehicle & building off a better platform.

Viper GTS

Some people just have and inexplicable attraction to the 3rd gen body style.
I am one of them.😱

Don't get me wrong, I love the 3rd generations too, but at this point they're just not worth dumping the money into. If this were a classic Camaro/Mustang/etc. I would be all for working with it, but it's a 1992 - You could do so much better with an F-body.

Viper GTS

 

[Demon-Xanth]

I too like the third generation style of the Camero. I perfer the 4th gen Firebird. But for the Camero I like the long, flat hood

 

[GasX]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Viper GTS
Sorry, I thought it was clear that I meant replacing the entire vehicle...

The Z28/SS F-body is damn fast in stock form, & there are TONS of aftermarket parts & upgrades for the LT1 (pre 1998) and LS1 (1998-2002).

You would be far better off replacing the vehicle & building off a better platform.

Viper GTS

Some people just have and inexplicable attraction to the 3rd gen body style.
I am one of them.😱

Do you rock in your IROC?

cheesiest car I ever saw was an IROC. Custom paint job on side: IROC'N ROLL

😀

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Viper GTS
Sorry, I thought it was clear that I meant replacing the entire vehicle...

The Z28/SS F-body is damn fast in stock form, & there are TONS of aftermarket parts & upgrades for the LT1 (pre 1998) and LS1 (1998-2002).

You would be far better off replacing the vehicle & building off a better platform.

Viper GTS

Some people just have and inexplicable attraction to the 3rd gen body style.
I am one of them.😱

Don't get me wrong, I love the 3rd generations too, but at this point they're just not worth dumping the money into. If this were a classic Camaro/Mustang/etc. I would be all for working with it, but it's a 1992 - You could do so much better with an F-body.

Viper GTS

I think it comes down to what you really are looking for and what you would be the most happy with.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Mwilding

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Viper GTS
Sorry, I thought it was clear that I meant replacing the entire vehicle...

The Z28/SS F-body is damn fast in stock form, & there are TONS of aftermarket parts & upgrades for the LT1 (pre 1998) and LS1 (1998-2002).

You would be far better off replacing the vehicle & building off a better platform.

Viper GTS

Some people just have and inexplicable attraction to the 3rd gen body style.
I am one of them.😱

Do you rock in your IROC?

cheesiest car I ever saw was an IROC. Custom paint job on side: IROC'N ROLL

😀

Are you calling my gold painted stock rims, full limo tint, hood with 6inch cowl, and "Born to ROC" paint job tacky?:|

😛

 

[Vette73]

which 305 do you have? I take it it is probable the Tune Port modle correct?

Well you can't juts drop in a 350 with out replacing teh Fuel injecters reprograming the computer etc.... so a 350 swap will cost a bit.


What is your budget and what will be most of your driving?

The best bang for your buck is to....

1. get some vortec heads. You can get these and the valve size will still clear your bore. Juts port out the heads and clean the bowl up a little and they will add a lot more power.

2. Port ad clean up the throttle body and intake

3. Get some basic headers and a decent aftermarket muffler. Ones that bolt to factory pipes.

4. Replace rockers will 1.6 roller ones. Will give effect of larger cam and reduce friction without having to replace roller cam $$$. Might have to replace Valve covers to get most 1.6 roller rockers under them

These upgrades will give you a lot more power without having to pull the motor and still be streat driaviable.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975
which 305 do you have? I take it it is probable the Tune Port modle correct?

Well you can't juts drop in a 350 with out replacing teh Fuel injecters reprograming the computer etc.... so a 350 swap will cost a bit.


What is your budget and what will be most of your driving?

The best bang for your buck is to....

1. get some vortec heads. You can get these and the valve size will still clear your bore. Juts port out the heads and clean the bowl up a little and they will add a lot more power.

2. Port ad clean up the throttle body and intake

3. Get some basic headers and a decent aftermarket muffler. Ones that bolt to factory pipes.

4. Replace rockers will 1.6 roller ones. Will give effect of larger cam and reduce friction without having to replace roller cam $$$. Might have to replace Valve covers to get most 1.6 roller rockers under them

These upgrades will give you a lot more power without having to pull the motor and still be streat driaviable.

Thats why many people do the LT1/LS1 swap. Some of the electrical can be a PITA, but you can just swap out the computers and not have to worry about reporgramming.

The 305 is still rather limited in its potential. There is a huge aftermarket for the 350, in particular the LS1.
I would never throw an expensive set of heads on the 305 bottom end.

 

[Brutuskend]

What? No one else likes 327's or 302's!!?!?:Q

Fine....

The 302 was a QUICK little S.O.B.!

 

[Iron Woode]

Originally posted by: Brutuskend
What? No one else likes 327's or 302's!!?!?:Q

Fine....

The 302 was a QUICK little S.O.B.!

Sorry to disappoint you but the 327 sucked and so did the craptacular 302 in the early Z's. 290 HP Z28s got their a$$ handed to them by every 340 Dart that came by.

As for the 327: puhlease. The 350 was the better engine. Why bother with a small low torque engine when you can have a 350? I have a friend whose father is like that. "Ohhh the stock 327 could rev like crazy" he would say. Yes the stock 2 bbl 327 was just a screamer. No he meant the 327 4bbl rated at 350 hp. Overrated and didn't rev any better than the 350. The 350 is simply the better engine and makes more power per given rpm assuming all things are equal.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975
which 305 do you have? I take it it is probable the Tune Port modle correct?

Well you can't juts drop in a 350 with out replacing teh Fuel injecters reprograming the computer etc.... so a 350 swap will cost a bit.


What is your budget and what will be most of your driving?

The best bang for your buck is to....

1. get some vortec heads. You can get these and the valve size will still clear your bore. Juts port out the heads and clean the bowl up a little and they will add a lot more power.

2. Port ad clean up the throttle body and intake

3. Get some basic headers and a decent aftermarket muffler. Ones that bolt to factory pipes.

4. Replace rockers will 1.6 roller ones. Will give effect of larger cam and reduce friction without having to replace roller cam $$$. Might have to replace Valve covers to get most 1.6 roller rockers under them

These upgrades will give you a lot more power without having to pull the motor and still be streat driaviable.

You can't go Vortec heads on stock intake, you will either have to go carbed or if you wanted TPI you'd have to get the scoggy-dickens racing TPI vortec manifold which is $400. And if he wants 300-400 HP, TPI is not the way to go.
Get a 350 block, bore it out and make it a 383, If you want to go FI get a the holley Stealth Ram, or Mini Ram.

Get some AFR's and have a shop port them and check flow#s. New cam, 1.6RR, 52MM throttle body, new fuel injectors, cold air kit, headers, hi-flow cats, cat back exhaust adjustable fuel pressure reg., custom prom and you're pretty damn close. Then there are the "free mods"
throttle body coolant by-pass, AC and smog delete.
And with this much power, the rear end should hold, you'll want to beef up your tranny, and brakes. You'll be going liek a bat out of hell, and you'll wantto stop like one too.

If 10K is your budget, you can make a 400HP engine easy.

 

[LeadMagnet]

GM Crate Engines

12498772 ZZ383/425 Crate Engine

With GM's legendary Fast Burn cylinder heads and 383 cubic inches, the ZZ383/425 delivers incredible torque with smooth, linear delivery. If you're looking for a small-block package that delivers big-block power, then you've found it. 425 horsepower at an incredibly low 5400 RPM, and 460 ft-lbs. of torque at 4500 RPM make this the ideal hot street engine or off road powerhouse.

The excellent air handling and combustion characteristics of the Fast Burn cylinder heads combined with the ZZ383/425's 3.800" stroke, make this engine the benchmark against which all other 383 inch small-blocks should be measured. And it's tough, too. The 4340 nitrided and induction hardened crank and unique forged PM rods see to that. The 9.1 to 1 compression ratio ensures that the ZZ383/425 is 92 octane pump gas friendly.

The ZZ383/425 gets a stout .509/.528 lift steel camshaft, with 222/230 duration at .050 lift. Hydraulic roller lifters and GM's time tested 1.5 to 1 roller rocker arms round out the valve train. And, of course, it has the Fast Burn head's lightweight stainless steel valves and retainers for reliable performance at extended RPM.

GM's testing was completed using a GM single plane intake, P/N 12496822 and a 750 CFM Demon carburetor with mechanical secondaries. Test header specs are: 1 3/4" primaries, 33 inches long with 4-inch collectors.

GM dual plane intake P/N 12366573 may be used for hood clearance on the ZZ383/425, but results in a decrease in peak horsepower of approximately 15-20 horsepower.

GM Crate Engines are horsepower rated to SAE Standards.

Technical Notes: ZZ 383/425 Technical Information
Horsepower 425 @ 5400 RPM
Torque 449 @ 4500 RPM
Max. Recommended RPM 6000
Compression Ratio 9.1:1
Partial Engine 12499106
Block 88962516 Four bolt main, cast iron
Crankshaft 12489436 Steel "4340"
Connecting Rods 12497624 PM rods
Pistons.005 O/S 12499103 High silicon aluminum
Piston Rings .005 O/S 12499107
Camshaft 12370846
Cylinder Heads 12464298
Head Gasket 10105117 (.28 thick)
Intake Valves 12555331 2.00"
Exhaust Valves 12551313 1.55"
Valve Springs 12551483
Rocker Arms 12370838 1.5:1 roller rockers kit
Tortional Damper 12498008
Flex Plate 14088765
Lifters 5232720 Flat Tappet
Spark Plugs R 44LTS or R42LTS for racing
Fuel Premium 92 octane or greater
Ignition Timing 32º total @ 3000 RPM with vacuum advance disconnected