ALRIGHT, a few "GOD" arguments and what not (interesting).......................

[lizium]

All these topics on god and stuff made me thinking... Let me tell you what I think of religion first.

I don?t believe in god or any of that jibajaba, I am what one might call an Atheist, BUT... I DO believe in the higher power whatever it might be, and perhaps life after death.

I started a new school year here, and now live in a smaller city, and I just can?t believe some of the people around my campus. This town is full of really religious groups who try to convert people every friggin day. I get stopped on the street, or they even call me home to try to get me to love god...

This is harassment the way I see it, and am I the only one who is pissed?

Now... I usually hang out with the engineering/scientist crowd when I am on campus, and all of my friends do believe that bible is just a fancy story for the illiterate idiot?s who want to believe in fairy tales, hehe and there is no proof whatsoever. They also try to prove everything with modern science, like there is no life after death argument. From a scientific point of view, when you die, that?s it, your body decomposes and you are done! Forever! I do agree, sort of.

Now, my objection... We (the scientific community) don?t believe in anything that can not be proven, repeatedly. But, what about all those people who are supposedly connecting with the dead and are able to talk and communicate on a different level? There are plenty of people like that, and they even have shown on TV about that. Science can?t explain this... so technically there is life after death, and that we can?t explain right now.

This has nothing to do with god/religion or anything, just something to think about...

 

[joohang]

Or maybe it will eventually be explained by modern science.

Religion provides an explanation for what is otherwise unexplainable. Science provides an explanation for what used to be unexplainable.

 

[Joemonkey]

Although I agree with most of what you say, personal attacks like "and all of my friends do believe that bible is just a fancy story for the illiterate idiot?s who want to believe in fairy tales, hehe and there is no proof whatsoever" will probably cause this thread to be locked, and you could even be banned. I was banned for posting my views in a religious topic quite a few months ago... just a heads up.

 

[iamme]

So you're saying, since so many people claim to see/talk to dead people, there's life after death?

What about all those people who swear they've seen Elvis? The Loch Ness monster?

Or are you being cynical? I can't tell

 

[geekender]

How about "tolerance"?

 

[Triumph]

I don?t believe in god or any of that jibajaba, I am what one might call an Atheist, BUT... I DO believe in the higher power whatever it might be, and perhaps life after death.

You believe in a higher power (aka a god), but you don't believe in god. Confusing. Or, you don't believe in the Christian god, or any other popular religion's god, but you believe in a "higher power." That makes you agnostic. Make up your mind.

 

[BigJohnKC]

Now... I usually hang out with the engineering/scientist crowd when I am on campus, and all of my friends do believe that bible is just a fancy story for the illiterate idiot?s who want to believe in fairy tales, hehe

Why make a comment like that? There is no point in insulting religious people because they have a different belief structure than you.

 

[lizium]

Originally posted by: Triumph

I don?t believe in god or any of that jibajaba, I am what one might call an Atheist, BUT... I DO believe in the higher power whatever it might be, and perhaps life after death.

You believe in a higher power (aka a god), but you don't believe in god. Confusing. Or, you don't believe in the Christian god, or any other popular religion's god, but you believe in a "higher power." That makes you agnostic. Make up your mind.

Since when is the higher power become god? Hmm..... I can consider a higher power to be anything, and i can belive anyone is god... I can believe anything i want, i dont follow religion so i dont have a set of rules to follow.

HENDRIX IS GOD

I believe in a higher state of mind, possibly a higher power. Its not God, its not Allah or Buddah or anything like that... Some people just get it, others want to read the little book called a Bible, and follow that.

I am just saying, those people who talk to the dead look pretty authentic, its a valid argument.

Also, i have come to a conclusion that really ALL religion is bad. I still respect other groups and people, they can do what they please as long as they leave me alone, but all this organized belief and worship does more bad than good. Just Look at 100's (or possibly thousands) of priest's who have been banging little boys, and thats not a sin?

This has been goin on for a long time, but only now they uncovered it, just great.

The only good thing about communist: No religion!

 

[lizium]

I appologize for any missinterpretation, that was actually supposed to be a comment, not my words. I just said how some of my friends see the ultra-religious people, didnt mean to offend anyone.

 

[jfall]

I am much like you.. I find it very hard to believe in god and the whole bible thing.. it just sounds too crazy for me to take in.. it sounds like it was a story told around a camp fire or something and passed on for years and got all screwed up in the process.

Anyways, about the life after death and people communicating with the dead there is something interesting you might want to hear. Before Harry Houdini died he gave his wife a password/code and told her that after he dies to go around the world to the top psychic's that claim they can communicate with the dead.. so she did what her husband asked, she searched the world for a psychic that could communicate with her husband, but not one of them could ever get the secret password from him.. so she knew they were all fakes.

 

[PlatinumGold]

I believe in a higher state of mind, possibly a higher power. Its not God, its not Allah or Buddah or anything like that... Some people just get it, others want to read the little book called a Bible, and follow that.

I am just saying, those people who talk to the dead look pretty authentic, its a valid argument.

Also, i have come to a conclusion that really ALL religion is bad. I still respect other groups and people, they can do what they please as long as they leave me alone, but all this organized belief and worship does more bad than good. Just Look at 100's (or possibly thousands) of priest's who have been banging little boys, and thats not a sin? This has been goin on for a long time, but only now they uncovered it, just great.

Your obviously young and struggling with your upbringing. not an accusation, just an observation.

You haven't defined any of you terms in anyway that makes sense, so another person reading your initial post could easily see you as being contradictory.

Not believing in the CHRISTIAN GOD, isn't the definition of Athiesm, NOT BELIEVING in a HIGHER Power is the definition of Atheism. You clearly stated you believe in an unexplainable Higher power, hence you aren't an ATHEIST, ur just anti christian. Nothing unique or special about that position no matter whay you decieve yourself into believing.

 

[Triumph]

Since when is the higher power become god? Hmm..... I can consider a higher power to be anything, and i can belive anyone is god... I can believe anything i want, i dont follow religion so i dont have a set of rules to follow.

Because that's what the definition of the word "god" is, a higher power! Listen, look it up in the dictionary. If you believe in a "higher power", you are an AGNOSTIC. If you believe in none of that stuff, you are an ATHIEST.

Also, i have come to a conclusion that really ALL religion is bad. I still respect other groups and people, they can do what they please as long as they leave me alone, but all this organized belief and worship does more bad than good. Just Look at 100's (or possibly thousands) of priest's who have been banging little boys, and thats not a sin? This has been goin on for a long time, but only now they uncovered it, just great.

First of all, it IS a sin. And what the hell does the conduct of a small minority of people have to do with the validity of the religion itself? All humans have weaknesses. YOU do too. Priests are human, they don't somehow lose their inadequacies when they take that oath. However, I'd be willing to wager that the percentage of priests who are pedophiles is much lower than the percentage of pedophiles in the general populace. They are still human, though.

 

[PlatinumGold]

you are an AGNOSTIC. If you believe in none of that stuff, you are an ATHIEST.

Denial of existence of Higher Power is Atheism.

Indifference to existence of Higher Power is Agnosticism.

Lizium, clearly states he believes in the EXISTENCE of a higher power, so i'll call him a theist.

 

[Triumph]

i wouldn't say "indifference" is the right word. you may not be "indifferent", just "indecisive." but we're just arguing semantics here. the real problem is, lizium doesn't know what he's talking about.

 

[dafatha00]

Because that's what the definition of the word "god" is, a higher power! Listen, look it up in the dictionary. If you believe in a "higher power", you are an AGNOSTIC. If you believe in none of that stuff, you are an ATHIEST.

that's incorrect too.

taken from dictionary.com

ag·nos·tic Pronunciation Key (g-nstk)
n.

1.
a. One who believes that it is impossible to know whether there is a God.
b. One who is skeptical about the existence of God but does not profess true atheism.
2. One who is doubtful or noncommittal about something.

 

[PlatinumGold]

that's incorrect too.

taken from dictionary.com

ag·nos·tic Pronunciation Key (g-nstk)
n.

1.
a. One who believes that it is impossible to know whether there is a God.
b. One who is skeptical about the existence of God but does not profess true atheism.
2. One who is doubtful or noncommittal about something.

Isn't the about what i said?? Indifference basically covers it all.

 

[PlatinumGold]

I wouldn't say "indifference" is the right word. you may not be "indifferent", just "indecisive." but we're just arguing semantics here. the real problem is, lizium doesn't know what he's talking about.

I'd say, Indifference is more than accurate enough.

as to the he doesn't know what he's talking about, refer to my post above.

 

[PlatinumGold]

i wouldn't say "indifference" is the right word. you may not be "indifferent", just "indecisive." but we're just arguing semantics here. the real problem is, lizium doesn't know what he's talking about.

Yes, YOU are arguing semantics.

Also, triumph, there is Nothing INDECISIVE about this.

I DO believe in the higher power whatever it might be, and perhaps life after death.

 

[Triumph]

why are you replying to different parts of my post with seperate replies? i never said he was indecisive, i said it was a better word than "indifferent." indifferent implies that you just don't care. indecisive implies that you care, but aren't equiped to make a decision. anyway, this argument is getting tiresome and gay.

 

[Pooteh]

so he's an athiest when it comes to specific gods, but an agnostic in whole. definitions definitions.

 

[Geekbabe]

Oh god,not again !!!!

 

[HombrePequeno]

Originally posted by: lizium
Now... I usually hang out with the engineering/scientist crowd when I am on campus, and all of my friends do believe that bible is just a fancy story for the illiterate idiot?s who want to believe in fairy tales, hehe and there is no proof whatsoever.

You may not agree with the bible but you don't have to insult people that follow it.

Now, my objection... We (the scientific community) don?t believe in anything that can not be proven, repeatedly. But, what about all those people who are supposedly connecting with the dead and are able to talk and communicate on a different level? There are plenty of people like that, and they even have shown on TV about that. Science can?t explain this... so technically there is life after death, and that we can?t explain right now.

Just because there are people that claim they talk to the dead doesn't mean they actually do. Honestly I think they're all just praying on people's weaknesses to make a quick buck. I'm not going to call them assholes for it though because they do actually help some people get closure.

 

[lizium]

Alright i guess i am Agnostic, or whatever you want to call it... It doesnt really matter, there is no God, but there are things which we cant explain yet. Thats my story and i am sticking to it!