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mithrandir2001

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<< Don't even think about listing your social fraternity/sorority on your resume. >>


That depends. It's a reality that many businesspeople in high places are Greek. People take care of their own kind. I'm a PSU grad and one of the advantages of going to a large school is that you always bump into hiring managers that have some connection with PSU. It's helpful. Social affliations are rarely an impediment, unless you belong to something overtly political. I've never seen my social fraternity association hurt my resume or interview process.

If somebody's social affliation made them a drunken loser, then it would show up on their academic record. But somebody who excelled academically and maintained a position on a social organization is generally well-regarded to interviewers.
 

amnesiac

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Delta Chi here...
I won't even begin to comment on the "rent a friend" remarks; I thought that's how fraternities worked until I joined. It's nothing like you'd expect. Any of you non-believers should try rushing. Rush the right fraternity and your world will change for the better.
 

kendogg

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<< I almost pledged Tappa Kegga, but instead went for Ifelta Thigh >>


LOL
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BAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHHA!~~~ ROFL~!@!@ :D
 

DannyLove

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<< Phi Sigma Kappa here...
Hey danny, do you call your mother a mut? or your country a cvnt? if not then its fraternity and not frat.
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nah, I think ill call it frat, but thanks anyway

danny~!
 

azazyel

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LoveDoc = Frat Dick...probably has a Frat Tat (or brand)

It's really sad when people get so defensive over something so stupid. Being in a FRAT was a really great experience for me. I got to go to our Internationally Conference and meet some really cool people. But when people think being in a Frat is the end all and be all I have to laugh. The truth is they are not for everyone. For example I would never have pledged at UW but at WSU (which is in BFE) it was a good idea.

If someone is pledging be wary of hazing. Don't let people talk you into anything you don't want to do. I was lucky the guys in my house didn't have the attention span to really do anything that bad to us. Sure, occasionally I got woken up by a leaf blower but at least there were no elephant walks or farm animal fun.
 

gopunk

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Hey danny, do you call your mother a mut? or your country a cvnt? if not then its fraternity and not frat.

truly sickening, now "frat" is offensive? what's this pc world coming to....
 

BigSmooth

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Just thought I'd note that virtually all fraternities have an anti-hazing policy that prohibits any type of physical or psychological hazing.

At my campus, this was STRICTLY enforced. On others, it is unfortunately not the case.
 

Triumph

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<< The amount of help you can recieve from your brothers in the future greatly surpasses any dues you have to pay while in school. >>



Wow, how incredibly selfish. "I'm only friends with you because of what I could use you for in the future."



<< Where I work, we instantly throw those resumes out. >>



I want to know more about this company! Who can I send my non-fraternity listed resume to?

oh wait, I do belong to the Ancient Society of the Stonecutters. Which now goes by the name of the "No-Homers Society."
 

tm37

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<< Hey danny, do you call your mother a mut? or your country a cvnt? if not then its fraternity and not frat.

truly sickening, now "frat" is offensive? what's this pc world coming to....
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If you look hard enough you can and will be offended by anything!
 

Jzero

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<< Just thought I'd note that virtually all fraternities have an anti-hazing policy that prohibits any type of physical or psychological hazing.

At my campus, this was STRICTLY enforced. On others, it is unfortunately not the case.
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Yeah...the "policy" isn't always followed. Actually, the fraternities and sororities I hate the most are the ones that not only haze, but actually get MAD when they get caught! "The administration is so anti-greek pulling our charter after we made the pledges teabag each other and they squealed!"

You play, you pay. Don't whine about it.
 

BigSmooth

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Hazing isn't exclusive to fraternities, though. I remember an article in Sports Illustrated a few years back about hazing in college sports. Let's just say you don't want to play football for The Citadel <shudder>.
 

azazyel

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<< The administration is so anti-greek pulling our charter after we made the pledges teabag each other and they squealed!" >>



That's SICK!! Your charter deserved to be pulled!!
 

SackOfAllTrades

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<< Hazing isn't exclusive to fraternities, though. I remember an article in Sports Illustrated a few years back about hazing in college sports. Let's just say you don't want to play football for The Citadel <shudder>. >>


i've heard some nasty stories about the marching band at USC about their hazing rituals.

as for all you haters out there, you guys just wish there was a Tri Lambda chapter so you'd have a fraternity that actually wants you.

- Alpha Epsilon Pi (an asian in a Jewish fraternity)
Zeta Tau
 

mithrandir2001

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I don't know why the whole "frat/fraternity" argument persists. In college, I was instructed to say "fraternity" and correct people who say "frat". I could give two @(#& about what you call them, really. Use either word and I know what you mean.

Some frat-haters seem to have an extraordinary amount of venom saved up for these organizations and their people. Maybe it's the exclusiveness, the snob behavior, the measuring-up process during rush, I don't know. That said, modern fraternities are mostly overrated. Buying friends? Err, maybe. It's not exactly expensive to belong: $45 pledge fee, $175 initiation fee, $250/semester social fees (of course, this was 1991-1996). But it seems that a lot of my so-called "friends" are just of the fair-weather variety. I've haven't heard a thing from a few since graduation...and that was 5 years ago. My primary motivation for joining was gaining access to the social scene, although fraternities are most helpful in this regard when you are an underaged freshman/sophomore. By the time I became legal, I had enough of the fraternity, the b!tchy sororities and all of the time demands. Also, pledging was brutal on my grades. I was forced to change majors and even consider leaving the university. On hindsight, that was pretty pathetic, but that's the danger of being an impressionable 18-year old.

I generally do not recommend freshmen to pledge a fraternity. While there's a chance it could be a great experience, it seems more often than not, the experience and its effects are negative over the long run. It depends on the individual and the house (and the social structure of the university in question). Frankly, I feel a little "ripped off" by the fraternity. It's a double-edged sword, however, because I have some (pleasurable) memories of those days that will stand the test of time. What makes it difficult is that I was never an independent, so I can't compare what it would have been like to be non-Greek my entire college career.
 

SpecialEd

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I'm a brother of Kappa Delta Rho... Colgate chapter. Isn't Phi Delta Theta a nationally dry Fraternity? I don't think i could take that...
 

nord1899

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Founding father of Delta Sigma Phi at Virginia Tech (Kappa Delta chapter), now graduated.

Like it has been said before, people get different experiences from different FRATERNITIES. Yes, some fraternity chapters are the drink all you want we will get more beer type places. But then again, there are the chapters that actually helps out a lot in other areas. My chapter has been number 1 in grades more than a few times in our short history (going on 4 years). Our average grades have been almost .5 points higher than the all campus average at my school when we get 1st place. That said, I know of a few Delta Sig chapters at other schools that are composed of meatheads.

With respect to the "Rent/Buy a Friend" comments. Sure if you look at dues as "buying" your friends, such that if you didn't pay dues you could not be friends with these people, then this holds true. But I know of a bunch of people who were close friends with a lot of brothers, but didn't actually join. Of course, during fraternity events, they couldn't go because they didn't help pay for it. So remember, you are NOT buying your friends, you are pooling your money so you can do more things as a group.

Oh well, some people just think that fraternities are really the frats out of Animal House and will never let that image down.
 

FrysInsider

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<< Wow, how incredibly selfish. "I'm only friends with you because of what I could use you for in the future." >>




This is one of the main reason my firm discards all resumes with social fraternities listed on them.

It's also a sign that the person is looking to "get ahead" by droping names or listing people they know.
If people were involved in charitable activities while being in a frat, it is 10x better to list those actual
activities on the resume instead of the fratermity name.

But like I said before, it's different for professional/business fraternities.

 

SackOfAllTrades

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buying your friends? i've been in my chapter for 3 years and i haven't seen one fscken dime from those cheap bastards! they better pay up or i'm not gonna be friends with them anymore.
 

nord1899

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<< Wow, how incredibly selfish. "I'm only friends with you because of what I could use you for in the future." >>




This is one of the main reason my firm discards all resumes with social fraternities listed on them.

It's also a sign that the person is looking to "get ahead" by droping names or listing people they know.
If people were involved in charitable activities while being in a frat, it is 10x better to list those actual
activities on the resume instead of the fratermity name.

But like I said before, it's different for professional/business fraternities.
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So I guess to you, things like President of a social fraternity is meaningless? Or how about someone who helped start a chapter of a fraternity at a school?

I do interviews for my company and if I see things like that, then that gives me something to talk to them about to find out more about them. It shows leadership, drive, committment, etc...

Sure, if they have nothing better to do than just drop the name of it with nothing to back it up like being President AND you have so many resumes to go thru that you can get rid of perfectly good people based on this, then fine.

When it comes to putting these things on resumes, I tend to think of it as another networking organization, such as the ACM and any other national student organization. If I happen to get laid off where I work, I have one more networking organization to use due to my fraternity experience in college. Thats good enough for me.
 

Jzero

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<< The administration is so anti-greek pulling our charter after we made the pledges teabag each other and they squealed!" >>



That's SICK!! Your charter deserved to be pulled!!
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Homophobe ;)

It was a hypothetical situation--I know of no fraternities that made pledges teabag each other. But I know plenty of greek groups that did make pledges do some pretty fscked up crap, and then I've sat and listened to those people complain about how mean and anti-greek the admins are for stripping them.
 

axelfox

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[Homer]So let me get this straight.....I pay you guys and you let me join your group?[/Homer]
 

azazyel

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<< Homophobe >>



You have got to be kidding me. You would have to admit that having older guys making freshman doing that is wrong. I would have bolted out the door so fast if they would have tried that with me. But your right I have heard some pretty bad stuff myself. I was really lucky. In my house all the hazing took place inside your head. They made you think one thing then do something completely different.
 

Jzero

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<< Homophobe >>



You have got to be kidding me. You would have to admit that having older guys making freshman doing that is wrong. I would have bolted out the door so fast if they would have tried that with me. But your right I have heard some pretty bad stuff myself. I was really lucky. In my house all the hazing took place inside your head. They made you think one thing then do something completely different.
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Nonono it was "Homophobe ;)" with a winky! It is pretty wrong, but it didn't actually happen.