Alleged pig abuse by supplier for largest U.S. pork producer

[clamum]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Originally posted by: clamum
Jesus. I couldn't never work in a place like that... to drag around a pig by it's ear while it's screaming like that? Fuck that. I realize that there's a large demand for pork, but is it necessary to be such a complete in-human asshole to the animals and torture them? It's seriously just fucked up.

The problem is if the workers had feelings towards the pigs, then they couldn't kill them. In order for these people to keep our bellies filled with pig flesh, they have to have an insensitive attitude towards their product.
Could you raise an animal and nurture it and then when the day comes, could you look at it and simply kill it?

It's a shit job for people in the sticks, but someone has to do it. IF they get jollies from killing and abusing the pigs good for them, it probably keeps some of these people from doing it to humans. BLAME CANADA.

Naw, I mean I realize someone has to do it. It might be hard for me to kill an animal that I've raised myself, but I think I could do it since I was killing it for food. Quick, easy death. Not this dragging the fucking thing around my its ears while it screeches, or the other countless ways the animals are tortured. There's just no need for that kind of inhumane sadistic bullshit.

 

[rivan]

Originally posted by: skace
I think my only concerns about abuse of animals used as food is whether it affects the end product (sanitation). Because if you start focusing on the life of the animal, even if it's entire life was controlled by robots with absolutely 0 cruelty, we would still be abusing the existence of that animal.

That might sound weird when you start comparing your pet dog to the pig, but then again, do you work in a place where thousands of pet dogs get turned into lunch for people day in and day out? I'm sure that would change your perspective.

No, no it wouldn't.

There's no reason to torture them, period.

WTF does:

Workers cut off piglets' tails and pulled out piglets' testicles

A worker gouged the eyes of four pigs with his fingers.

Have to do with making good bacon? Nothing. It has to do with a place where individuals who get off on torture getting away with it.

 

[RapidSnail]

That video sure as hell isn't going to stop me from eating meat, but I think cutting of testicles and tails while little piglets are not sedated is pretty cruel. The "kill" marks on the pigs back mean nothing, and the pigs squealing because they are being dragged around is sort of natural. I do think that it is wrong to abuse animals and would definitely vote or whatever for better treatment of them, but people who think you should stop eating meat altogether because of several incidents of abuse are a little extreme.

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: Skeeedunt
Wow you guys are fucked up. I'm not about to stop eating meat, but I think we should work towards humane treatment and not just torture the shit out of anything we feel like. Jesus.

Indeed. Ultimately, all things die. By the logic of, "They're raised to be eaten anyway," then it should be fine to torture all life forms, because eventually they're just going to die anyway.

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Dominion != torture.

 

[Taejin]

Originally posted by: rivan

Originally posted by: skace
I think my only concerns about abuse of animals used as food is whether it affects the end product (sanitation). Because if you start focusing on the life of the animal, even if it's entire life was controlled by robots with absolutely 0 cruelty, we would still be abusing the existence of that animal.

That might sound weird when you start comparing your pet dog to the pig, but then again, do you work in a place where thousands of pet dogs get turned into lunch for people day in and day out? I'm sure that would change your perspective.

No, no it wouldn't.

Actually, it would. It's a documented fact that soldiers can and will grow accustomed to almost any kind of cruelty if that is all they are surrounded by and exposed to. I'd say going around killing innocent civilians, skinning people alive and staking them to the ground, cutting off ears to make necklaces and other crazy shit are a notch above abusing animals that we merely regard as food (for the most part).

The unnecessary abusive actions the workers take are an unfortunate byproduct of ignorance, low class, less education and constant exposure to creatures who probably annoy them to no end. This isn't to say that abuse is justified - it's not. But to say that you cannot understand how these people might act this way (and how you might be like them, if going through the same circumstances) either makes you stupid or purposefully ignorant.

 

[WraithETC]

Its like I read this thread before...

 

[Linux23]

Originally posted by: mordantmonkey
i hate how they try to dramatize and propagandize everything. like the part where they are moving the pigs. yeah, i'm sure it didn't feel good, but if it hurt that bad the pig always had the option to move. it was just being stubborn. and as far as writing "kill" on it: who the fuck cares? can the pig fucking read!? is it going to suffer humiliation because of it? no. stfu.
the dude admitted it was wrong to hit the pig. but it was a reaction to being bitten. still not write, but i wouldn't necessarily call it sadistic abuse.
the tail cutting without anesthesia is pretty harsh. as is the confinement. the other malarkey just distracts from those valid points.

btw. i'm a vegetarian.

BS. Pigs can read. Have you not seen Charlotte's web?

 

[judasmachine]

IMHO, the companies should weed these bastiches out. Just because they're food, doesn't mean that they should be treated like that. Their is simply a nicer way to do it.

 

[Nitemare]

mmmmm...


bacon



mmmmm...

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: Aharami
i wonder if the people saying they dont care how they are treated actually watched that video. The pigs' squeals are bad enough to cause nightmares. I love eating meat, but just cuz im a meat lover doesnt mean I have to endorse torture of the animals before they are killed.

"Squeal like a pig, fatboy..."

Some pigs are smart, but most are incredibly stupid and will eat anything you give them. I lived in an area once where there were plenty of hogfarms and seen a slaughterhouse. The hogfarms were the worst smelling things I have ever encountered, but the slaughterhouse just made me hungry.

If god hadn't wanted us to kill them and eat them, why did he make them out of bacon?

 

[MichaelD]

Originally posted by: Taejin

Originally posted by: rivan

Originally posted by: skace
I think my only concerns about abuse of animals used as food is whether it affects the end product (sanitation). Because if you start focusing on the life of the animal, even if it's entire life was controlled by robots with absolutely 0 cruelty, we would still be abusing the existence of that animal.

That might sound weird when you start comparing your pet dog to the pig, but then again, do you work in a place where thousands of pet dogs get turned into lunch for people day in and day out? I'm sure that would change your perspective.

No, no it wouldn't.

The unnecessary abusive actions the workers take are an unfortunate byproduct of ignorance, low class, less education and constant exposure to creatures who probably annoy them to no end. This isn't to say that abuse is justified - it's not. But to say that you cannot understand how these people might act this way (and how you might be like them, if going through the same circumstances) either makes you stupid or purposefully ignorant.

Yep. Those people are called "White Trash." No education + criminal record + methamp abuse + physical and mental abuse as a child...and this is what you end up with. A fucked up, broken human being.

I love meat. I'm at the top of the food chain for a reason. I have hunted. I have also accidentally hit a couple of dogs with my truck. First one was killed instantly. Second one unfortunately had a broken back. I immediately put a bullet through it's head. Quick. Humane.

Animal farms exist to feed humans. Ever play the video game Prey? That could happen. Would suck, but hey, what goes around comes around, I guess.

No need to torture animals ever. Shock'em, shoot'em, stab'em. Just make it quick. Then eat them.

 

[Throckmorton]

Some of the posters in this thread are just plain retarded. How in the hell do you draw the conclusion that just because they are raised to be killed and eaten that they shouldn't be treated humanely? Someone call the Supreme Court and get them to repeal animal cruelty laws, because they make no sense according to ATOT's infinite wisdom!!

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: chusteczka
This focus on mass production provides a sad state for a civilized society.
Small, individually owned farms would provide better treatment of the animals and better food quality for humans.
Pigs are smart animals and are quite aware of what is happening to them. That treatment is a shame on our society.

FYI: this is a "small, individually owned farm." Or at least as small as they get these days. It is privately-owned by a family.

A local prosecutor in North Carolina is investigating allegations of animal cruelty by a pig farm supplying Smithfield Foods, the nation?s largest pork producer.

... PETA's undercover investigator, who says he witnessed daily violent mistreatment of baby and adult pigs at Murphy Family Ventures Garland Sow Farm in Garland, N.C.

http://www.murphyfamilyventuresllc.com/

I'm as against unnecessary animal cruelty as anyone, but RTFA.

 

[daveymark]

mmmm bacon. With each squeal I get hungrier and hungrier...

 

[Pliablemoose]

How much more work would it be for them to put the pig in a killing booth after they were sedated and play them music and show them videos of happy pigs frolicking in the forest right before they're shot in the head be?

Perhaps they could be pleasured by a machine too, and the shooting timed with their orgasm.

And for the record, I'm glad the sociopaths that work for that company have an outlet for their deviance, shut the place down & they'll be picking up hookers, torturing & killing them & dumping them on the side of the road...

 

[Tylanner]

bacon?

bacon abuse?

what is piglet bacon called?

this isn't going to affect bacon supply is it?

 

[MichaelD]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
How much more work would it be for them to put the pig in a killing booth after they were sedated and play them music and show them videos of happy pigs frolicking in the forest right before they're shot in the head be?

Perhaps they could be pleasured by a machine too, and the shooting timed with their orgasm.

And for the record, I'm glad the sociopaths that work for that company have an outlet for their deviance, shut the place down & they'll be picking up hookers, torturing & killing them & dumping them on the side of the road...

:Q And then how would we get our jollies? :Q My God, man! You're right! We've got to do something...more pigs!! Bring them more pigs!!!

😉

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: MichaelD

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
How much more work would it be for them to put the pig in a killing booth after they were sedated and play them music and show them videos of happy pigs frolicking in the forest right before they're shot in the head be?

Perhaps they could be pleasured by a machine too, and the shooting timed with their orgasm.

And for the record, I'm glad the sociopaths that work for that company have an outlet for their deviance, shut the place down & they'll be picking up hookers, torturing & killing them & dumping them on the side of the road...

:Q And then how would we get our jollies? :Q My God, man! You're right! We've got to do something...more pigs!! Bring them more pigs!!!

😉

Think of the hookers!!!!!!

 

[chusteczka]

Originally posted by: homercles337

Originally posted by: chusteczka
This focus on mass production provides a sad state for a civilized society.
Small, individually owned farms would provide better treatment of the animals and better food quality for humans.
Pigs are smart animals and are quite aware of what is happening to them. That treatment is a shame on our society.

Ok Doctor Dolittle thanks for your anthropomorphizing. :roll:

I was attributing mammalian traits to mammals.
Open your mind and you shall understand.

 

[Jugernot]

Originally posted by: amdhunter

Originally posted by: Cdubneeddeal
That pisses me off. Obviously the animals are in pain and should be killed ethically and quickly. Horrible. I still can't believe some of the remarks by you people. Are that confined in your own world that choose to look the other way?

Ditto

 

[Linux23]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
How much more work would it be for them to put the pig in a killing booth after they were sedated and play them music and show them videos of happy pigs frolicking in the forest right before they're shot in the head be?

Perhaps they could be pleasured by a machine too, and the shooting timed with their orgasm.

And for the record, I'm glad the sociopaths that work for that company have an outlet for their deviance, shut the place down & they'll be picking up hookers, torturing & killing them & dumping them on the side of the road...

Squeal, squeal, BANG.

 

[Turin39789]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: chusteczka
This focus on mass production provides a sad state for a civilized society.
Small, individually owned farms would provide better treatment of the animals and better food quality for humans.
Pigs are smart animals and are quite aware of what is happening to them. That treatment is a shame on our society.

FYI: this is a "small, individually owned farm." Or at least as small as they get these days. It is privately-owned by a family.

A local prosecutor in North Carolina is investigating allegations of animal cruelty by a pig farm supplying Smithfield Foods, the nation?s largest pork producer.

... PETA's undercover investigator, who says he witnessed daily violent mistreatment of baby and adult pigs at Murphy Family Ventures Garland Sow Farm in Garland, N.C.

http://www.murphyfamilyventuresllc.com/

I'm as against unnecessary animal cruelty as anyone, but RTFA.

Did you go to that website?

"In 1961, Wendell Murphy built a feed mill that led to the creation of a contract finishing business. After 45 years, the company has turned into a major swine production operation and much, much more.
"

" The Swine Production division employs almost 400 employees in North Carolina and over 250 employees in Missouri.
"

It's owned within a family, but that doesn't make it a family farm


"Or at least as small as they get these days. It is privately-owned by a family."

The farm where I like to get my veggies and meat - http://elmwoodstockfarm.com

Much more family farm, much less likely to be gouging out their stocks eyes for fun. Check out a farmers market, there are still some family farmers out there and you should support them.

Climate zone: 6 Soil type: Rich, limestone-base loams
Years in commercial production: Family farm for generations; diversification and organic starting in mid-1990s.
Acreage: 750 total. 475 are certified organic, with 400 in pasture, 75 in vegetable rotation.
Crops/products: Beef cattle (organic and conventional); 60-70 acres vegetables, some of it organic; organic chickens, turkeys and eggs; 35 acres of tobacco (mostly conventional; experimenting with organic)
Value-added products: Beef cuts, wrapped and frozen
Notable facilities and equipment: Three greenhouses for tobacco and vegetable plants, salad crops
Weeks in production: Produce spring-fall; meat sales year-round.
Markets: Direct sales to consumers at farmers? markets and home delivery; deliveries to restaurants
Labor: Family labor (four adults), plus seasonal farm workers and market helpers

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Turin39789

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: chusteczka
This focus on mass production provides a sad state for a civilized society.
Small, individually owned farms would provide better treatment of the animals and better food quality for humans.
Pigs are smart animals and are quite aware of what is happening to them. That treatment is a shame on our society.

FYI: this is a "small, individually owned farm." Or at least as small as they get these days. It is privately-owned by a family.

A local prosecutor in North Carolina is investigating allegations of animal cruelty by a pig farm supplying Smithfield Foods, the nation?s largest pork producer.

... PETA's undercover investigator, who says he witnessed daily violent mistreatment of baby and adult pigs at Murphy Family Ventures Garland Sow Farm in Garland, N.C.

http://www.murphyfamilyventuresllc.com/

I'm as against unnecessary animal cruelty as anyone, but RTFA.

Did you go to that website?

"In 1961, Wendell Murphy built a feed mill that led to the creation of a contract finishing business. After 45 years, the company has turned into a major swine production operation and much, much more.
"

" The Swine Production division employs almost 400 employees in North Carolina and over 250 employees in Missouri.
"

It's owned within a family, but that doesn't make it a family farm


"Or at least as small as they get these days. It is privately-owned by a family."

The farm where I like to get my veggies and meat - http://elmwoodstockfarm.com

Much more family farm, much less likely to be gouging out their stocks eyes for fun. Check out a farmers market, there are still some family farmers out there and you should support them.

Climate zone: 6 Soil type: Rich, limestone-base loams
Years in commercial production: Family farm for generations; diversification and organic starting in mid-1990s.
Acreage: 750 total. 475 are certified organic, with 400 in pasture, 75 in vegetable rotation.
Crops/products: Beef cattle (organic and conventional); 60-70 acres vegetables, some of it organic; organic chickens, turkeys and eggs; 35 acres of tobacco (mostly conventional; experimenting with organic)
Value-added products: Beef cuts, wrapped and frozen
Notable facilities and equipment: Three greenhouses for tobacco and vegetable plants, salad crops
Weeks in production: Produce spring-fall; meat sales year-round.
Markets: Direct sales to consumers at farmers? markets and home delivery; deliveries to restaurants
Labor: Family labor (four adults), plus seasonal farm workers and market helpers

I did go to the website, thanks. If you like paying more and have the capacity to do so, that's great and I'm happy for you. Not everyone can do the same, and you should remember that.
My point was that the farm in question is not the mega-corp he was trying to make it out to be, but just a privately-owned supplier to that mega-corp. As such, there is no proof or guarantee to his assertion that "small, individually owned farms would provide better treatment of the animals."
Some people like to make that correlation because, in today's mega-corp dominated food industry, tiny farms lacking the adequate scale for profitability have to differentiate themselves within the market by providing higher quality to their customers. However, if all farms were on that tiny scale, then prices would merely be higher across the board without that pressure to provide higher quality foods.

 

[Inspector Jihad]

why is there even a debate. kill the pigs for food but do it humanely.

 

[Phoenix86]

peta.org

I won't even consider anything they say anymore. If this is a real issue, someone else better present it for me to give a rats ass about.