Alleged hate crime was fake update: charged by grand jury

[FerrelGeek]

Agree. Sharpton, et al, won't give up; they like shaking people down and living large. People who make their living off of fanning strife are pure evil.

Buy hey, Obama thinks the BLM crowd is doing a great job.

Assholes like these doing their level best to KEEP RACISM ALIVE so they can keep using it to throw up in everyone else's face constantly, do more to damage relations between the races, than do most of what's left of actual no-shit, real-life, racists.

These are people who absolutely don't want an end to racism.

Like the douchebags claiming Hollywood is racist for not picking token black Academy Award nominees; eventually that type of bullshit is going to lead to the Academy being afraid of not voting for a worse performance by a minority actor, than a white actor- being so blatantly obvious about it, and just sending out that age old message: "Well, we just HAVE to give it to the minority because, you know... QUOTAS! They have to be coddled." Just leading to more resentment and needless animosity.

Blazing irony of our times: some of the absolute worst race-hate mongers are those that pretend they want it to ever end.

The suck thing about this whole incident- imagine if cameras WEREN'T practically everywhere now? The accused would be tarred and feathered as racists, and everyone from the president to the snivelers in congress, to the average idiot would be fawning all over a bunch of asshole liars (and the actual aggressors!) as the victims.

 

[sandorski]

Do you believe that racially motivated crimes are a frequent occurrence?

Enough that it's not a strange occurrence for it to happen. Given the nature of Racial issues, even non-Hate Crime plays into it. Things like the myriad Cop Shootings or even just simple discrimination based upon Race are always fresh on peoples minds. The initial allegations simply were not extraordinary.

Not sure why so much energy is being spent on this tangent of this particular situation. The real outrage here was that these girls took advantage of the general public's willingness to stop Racism. The result of their lie is that they have actually hurt movements trying to address the Racial issues.

 

[1prophet]

In those peoples defense, it's not like the initial allegations were extraordinary or even uncommon. They certainly should wait for evidence though.

Isn't that the same mentality that the police are accused of having when they have dealings with black people that go horribly wrong, they assume they are doing something illegal, because in their mind it's not like the initial allegations were extraordinary or even uncommon as opposed to other races in equal circumstances?

Why would you defend one and not the other?

 

[Mursilis]

In those peoples defense, it's not like the initial allegations were extraordinary or even uncommon. They certainly should wait for evidence though.

The allegations were, on their face, suspicious. The three women alleged they were assaulted and beaten by a mob of 10+ white people, but had no visible injuries mere hours after the beating? THAT raised no red flags?

 

[CPA]

In those peoples defense, it's not like the initial allegations were extraordinary or even uncommon. They certainly should wait for evidence though.

It's not extraordinary that some random white people start using racial slurs in a bus at black people? What city do you live in that that's common?

 

[CPA]

Assholes like these doing their level best to KEEP RACISM ALIVE so they can keep using it to throw up in everyone else's face constantly, do more to damage relations between the races, than do most of what's left of actual no-shit, real-life, racists.

These are people who absolutely don't want an end to racism.

Like the douchebags claiming Hollywood is racist for not picking token black Academy Award nominees; eventually that type of bullshit is going to lead to the Academy being afraid of not voting for a worse performance by a minority actor, than a white actor- being so blatantly obvious about it, and just sending out that age old message: "Well, we just HAVE to give it to the minority because, you know... QUOTAS! They have to be coddled." Just leading to more resentment and needless animosity.

Blazing irony of our times: some of the absolute worst race-hate mongers are those that pretend they want it to ever end.

The suck thing about this whole incident- imagine if cameras WEREN'T practically everywhere now? The accused would be tarred and feathered as racists, and everyone from the president to the snivelers in congress, to the average idiot would be fawning all over a bunch of asshole liars (and the actual aggressors!) as the victims.

Oh, you can bet your last dollar that a black actor will win the Oscars next year.

 

[woolfe9998]

Don't expect the media to not jump on anything that is racially incendiary. Similarly, the media will pick up on a turnabout where the alleged victims were lying just as quickly:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/25/us/new-york-albany-assaults/index.html

The news media is a business. That means they provide whatever controversy sells.

So far as these three women, they do a great disservice to whatever cause they purport to support. The next time it may actually be racism or even a hate crime and no one will believe. It's like chicken little.

 

[werepossum]

In those peoples defense, it's not like the initial allegations were extraordinary or even uncommon. They certainly should wait for evidence though.

LOL Just like Bush's National Guard records, eh? Fake but accurate.

 

[Exophase]

In those peoples defense, it's not like the initial allegations were extraordinary or even uncommon. They certainly should wait for evidence though.

Is it really neither extraordinary nor uncommon for "like 20 white people" to start assaulting 3 black female college students in the middle of a bus in Albany?

EDIT: Sorry, I see a lot of other people responded like this so you shouldn't have to answer me too..

Let's just say that there is a climate right now where it's easy to get people to believe something like this happened, but that IMO they actually should have shown a lot of skepticism and not just reservation waiting for it to be certain.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Enough that it's not a strange occurrence for it to happen. Given the nature of Racial issues, even non-Hate Crime plays into it. Things like the myriad Cop Shootings or even just simple discrimination based upon Race are always fresh on peoples minds. The initial allegations simply were not extraordinary.

Not sure why so much energy is being spent on this tangent of this particular situation. The real outrage here was that these girls took advantage of the general public's willingness to stop Racism. The result of their lie is that they have actually hurt movements trying to address the Racial issues.

Maybe it's like that in Canada, but here in the Deep South there just isn't that much racially motivated crime. There's lots of crime, and there's lots of racism, but very few instances of crime where race was the motivating factor.

 

[sandorski]

Maybe it's like that in Canada, but here in the Deep South there just isn't that much racially motivated crime. There's lots of crime, and there's lots of racism, but very few instances of crime where race was the motivating factor.

GTFO

 

[Darwin333]

At least they're being charged for false witness.

Sorry but that's bullshit, if you blatantly lie and it's proven beyond a shadow of a doubt then you should be given the exact same sentence as the person that you falsely accused would have been given.

It's better than nothing but what is the average sentence, probation? A few months in the pokey MAYBE? What were the people they falsely accused facing? It's either many years or potentially decades. That just ain't right and the risk/reward goes to the liar.

 

[UglyCasanova]

GTFO

I suppose prove me wrong. :\

I've lived almost my entire life in towns and cities that have somewhere in the half/half black and white demographic ratio (the exception would be a small town in Oklahoma for a couple years). I've certainly seen racism of all types - against blacks, whites, asians, hispanics, whomever - but never encountered violence with racial tension as it's basis.

Never in the news around here is there a crime committed due to race. Does it happen? I'm sure. But instances have to be very few and far between.

 

[cubby1223]

There is just no question that a percentage of minorities want deep racism to rise up again in this country. For the most part we all live dull, boring, meaningless lives. Racism gives people a reason to live, a reason to fight, a cause to unite one another together in community and friendship.

When I see comments that these women only do a disservice to their cause... no, they are doing exactly what they want to do. They want to feel alive. They want to feel the strengths and passions their parents and grandparents felt.

 

[cubby1223]

The allegations were, on their face, suspicious. The three women alleged they were assaulted and beaten by a mob of 10+ white people, but had no visible injuries mere hours after the beating? THAT raised no red flags?

Not to someone who spends his life on the internet rather than out in the real world.

Those types of allegations are commonplace across the internet. Step outside, though, and you are very hard-pressed to find such occurrences. But on the internet reports are aplenty!

 

[Blue_Max]

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Now let's wait and see if the three of them are charged with a hate crime...

Police say the three purported victims of the attack were actually the ones attacking, and that their story was false. Aria Agudio, Alexis Briggs and Asha Burwell were all charged with third-degree assault, while Agudio and Burwell face additional charges of falsely reporting an incident, as evidenced by 911 calls:

They'll most likely get a slap on the wrist, but most of the time female perpetrators of similar events have gotten off scot-free. I hope the charges stick and at least slow down this trend.

...but this was more about race than gender so it's got extra sticking-power at this brief moment in time. People are getting tired of this BS... fast.

 

[UglyCasanova]

...but this was more about race than gender so it's got extra sticking-power at this brief moment in time. People are getting tired of this BS... fast.

Agreed, and the overly pc crap is one of the primary reasons trump is doing so well IMO. Nobody cares about his policies (does he even have any), they gravitate towards him because he is so politically incorrect. He's the embodiment of the pendelum swinging back.

 

[alcoholbob]

There is just no question that a percentage of minorities want deep racism to rise up again in this country. For the most part we all live dull, boring, meaningless lives. Racism gives people a reason to live, a reason to fight, a cause to unite one another together in community and friendship.

When I see comments that these women only do a disservice to their cause... no, they are doing exactly what they want to do. They want to feel alive. They want to feel the strengths and passions their parents and grandparents felt.

In other words...tribalism. The same reason disenfranchised Muslims in the West are running towards jihadist groups and getting butthurt about the crudades which happened centuries ago and dreaming of re-starting the Umayyad caliphate, this time without Charles Martel standing in the way.

 

[nexus5rocks]

Assholes like these doing their level best to KEEP RACISM ALIVE so they can keep using it to throw up in everyone else's face constantly, do more to damage relations between the races, than do most of what's left of actual no-shit, real-life, racists.

These are people who absolutely don't want an end to racism.

Like the douchebags claiming Hollywood is racist for not picking token black Academy Award nominees; eventually that type of bullshit is going to lead to the Academy being afraid of not voting for a worse performance by a minority actor, than a white actor- being so blatantly obvious about it, and just sending out that age old message: "Well, we just HAVE to give it to the minority because, you know... QUOTAS! They have to be coddled." Just leading to more resentment and needless animosity.

Blazing irony of our times: some of the absolute worst race-hate mongers are those that pretend they want it to ever end.

The suck thing about this whole incident- imagine if cameras WEREN'T practically everywhere now? The accused would be tarred and feathered as racists, and everyone from the president to the snivelers in congress, to the average idiot would be fawning all over a bunch of asshole liars (and the actual aggressors!) as the victims.

Silicon valley hiring lesser qualified candidates in the name of diversity and PC is probably more relatable to most people here.

 

[DrPizza]

Update: all three have been indicted by a grand jury. They face charges of 3rd degree assault & falsely reporting a hate crime.
http://pix11.com/2016/05/03/suny-al...acially-motivated-attack-indicted-on-charges/

ALBANY, N.Y. — Three New York college students who said they were targets of a racially motivated attack face multiple charges for what prosecutors are calling a false claim.
A grand jury on Monday indicted Ariel Agudio, Asha Burwell and Alexis Briggs, all 20, each on a charge of third-degree assault and multiple counts of falsely reporting an incident, the Albany District Attorney’s Office said.
Agudio and Burwell also face charges of harassment. Agudio also was charged with two counts of attempted assault.

From what I read, they had been offered a plea bargain - they would have to publicly apologize. But, they refused, so it went to a grand jury. Plea bargain is no longer offered.

 

[shortylickens]

Update: all three have been indicted by a grand jury. They face charges of 3rd degree assault & falsely reporting a hate crime.
http://pix11.com/2016/05/03/suny-al...acially-motivated-attack-indicted-on-charges/




From what I read, they had been offered a plea bargain - they would have to publicly apologize. But, they refused, so it went to a grand jury. Plea bargain is no longer offered.

So, they are dumb shits?