All unemployed folks under 50 must work for their welfare payments...

[Atomic Playboy]

The government is making it mandatory for jobseekers aged 18 to 49 to work for their welfare payments from July 1, 2015.

Those aged 18 to 30 will be required to work 25 hours per week while people aged 31 to 49 will have to work 15 hours.

Those over 50 will have the option of participating in the program.

Words must mean something different in Australia. If you have to do some kind of work in order to earn a paycheck, that's not welfare, that's employment. Doesn't matter if it's only temp jobs as they become available, it's still a job. It's not welfare, it's the government saying "Hey, you know all those people we're already giving money to? What if we got them to trim the hedges first?" Sounds like a win to me.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I love when Republicans endorsepartygovernment programs :thumbsup:

Well I'm not a Republican, nor the backer of any other party. I consider other aspects. FDR provided jobs for people who could not get them to do useful work that would otherwise not be done. I can and would back a similar program which was intelligently designed and well managed.

 

[highland145]

Well I'm not a Republican, nor the backer of any other party. I consider other aspects. FDR provided jobs for people who could not get them to do useful work that would otherwise not be done. I can and would back a similar program which was intelligently designed and well managed.

You surely can't expect people to work for their unemployment $$.


/sarcasm

 

[Oldgamer]

If you all are saying that people must work if they get welfare, then they must receive compensation for that work at market rate. Meaning that if someone is told you must do trash duty in neighborhoods, then you pay those people what you would pay a trash collector normally which is equivalent to $15. an hour. Same thing applies for anything else.

This almost sounds like an excuse to make people work for nothing again. Oh? You don't have a job and need to get on welfare? Then you must work hard labor for that money, but we are not going to pay you what we would pay someone normally who has a position such as this. Translation cheap labor. I see something like this headed that route.

Better be careful what you ask for. You may just get what what your asking. But then the state ends up with a budget shortfall having to employ everyone.

What people get on welfare is not a whole hell of a lot I will tell you now.

 

[Moonbeam]

We already pay them, because as a society we've decided it's not good for anyone (for the people or the rest of society) to have no safety net. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect someone to earn their pay, in whatever way they can.

As I said above, it isn't just that we already spend and will destroy ourselves if we don't, it is a matter of psychological heath that people earn a living by contributing what they can willingly, because it earns them the means to live with self respect. And if there is no way for the non competitive to survive with self respect they will make sure nobody does. You demand that everybody be sick in a cut throat world where jobs are scarce. Sick people don't make good citizens, and we can see so much of that in this thread. They think only of themselves, a path to self destruction.

 

[Moonbeam]

Socialists often say: "From each according to their means, to each according to their needs."
American politicians say: "Free shit for everyone. You don't even need to contribute according to your means."

You know we've really gone too far off the deep end when communists are too right wing. Communists want everyone to get paid, but they expect you to do something in exchange for that payment. In America, communists are considered right wing lunatics.

No, that's just right wing programmed lunatic thinking aimed at the five or ten idiots on the left who might think that way. You are ginning up imaginary terrors that are insubstantial. It's that brain defect thing.

 

[highland145]

If you all are saying that people must work if they get welfare, then they must receive compensation for that work at market rate. Meaning that if someone is told you must do trash duty in neighborhoods, then you pay those people what you would pay a trash collector normally which is equivalent to $15. an hour. Same thing applies for anything else.

This almost sounds like an excuse to make people work for nothing again. Oh? You don't have a job and need to get on welfare? Then you must work hard labor for that money, but we are not going to pay you what we would pay someone normally who has a position such as this. Translation cheap labor. I see something like this headed that route.

Better be careful what you ask for. You may just get what what your asking. But then the state ends up with a budget shortfall having to employ everyone.

What people get on welfare is not a whole hell of a lot I will tell you now.

Full unemployment is $320/wk here. That's $8/hr for 40 hrs. I'd be happy if they worked 20hrs instead of the city/county/state bitching about under staffing and budget cuts.

 

[Moonbeam]

dphantom had it right. Look up Progressives and Eugenics if you have any questions.

There isn't a better eugenics program around that needing a job to eat and having none available. But you are an idiot so you would never notice that.

 

[Zorba]

You'd think we could find things for them to do. Clean up alongside the highways. Plant flowers in parks, mow lawns of houses that have failed to respond to code violations for letting their grass get too high (while fining the homeowner), etc. If you're going to pay them, at least get something for the money.

The reason stuff like that isn't done is it take money away from companies that payoff politicians.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

The reason stuff like that isn't done is it take money away from companies that payoff politicians.

I don't know where you live but there is much that needs to be done around me that the government doesn't have the funds for and in our case it is in large part to pay for programs that have no mandated work. No one can lose money on things they aren't doing anyway. Unions will argue against such a plan and care must be taken to not harm the existing labor market, but infrastructure is failing and much of that came from the vWPA and CCA era. Time to examine what's proven to worked here before.

 

[Sonikku]

Who could do such a thing to those poor souls? Australian government, that's who.





Why can't we do it here in the US? Too racist/mean/hardcore/<fill in the blank excuses>?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-to-include-almost-all-jobseekers?CMP=soc_567

We already do. DSS makes unemployed work to receive government aid. The total amount of aid given towards foodstamps/housing/cash grant is divided by $7.25 an hour and that's how many hours people receiving aid have to work in community service/government offices, in addition to being required to mount a job search. There are also limits to how long you can remain on aid (in NY's case 2 years) before a case is closed, or someone is shuffled elsewhere due to disability or other issues.

 

[boomerang]

Full unemployment is $320/wk here. That's $8/hr for 40 hrs. I'd be happy if they worked 20hrs instead of the city/county/state bitching about under staffing and budget cuts.

Uh, hold on a sec. How much is the minimum wage in your state? Surely unemployment doesn't pay better than minimum wage?

 

[highland145]

Uh, hold on a sec. How much is the minimum wage in your state? Surely unemployment doesn't pay better than minimum wage?

$7.25

 

[theeedude]

Well I'm not a Republican, nor the backer of any other party. I consider other aspects. FDR provided jobs for people who could not get them to do useful work that would otherwise not be done. I can and would back a similar program which was intelligently designed and well managed.

So would I. Good to see fellow Keynesians on the forums.:thumbsup:

 

[-slash-]

If you all are saying that people must work if they get welfare, then they must receive compensation for that work at market rate. Meaning that if someone is told you must do trash duty in neighborhoods, then you pay those people what you would pay a trash collector normally which is equivalent to $15. an hour. Same thing applies for anything else.

This almost sounds like an excuse to make people work for nothing again. Oh? You don't have a job and need to get on welfare? Then you must work hard labor for that money, but we are not going to pay you what we would pay someone normally who has a position such as this. Translation cheap labor. I see something like this headed that route.

Better be careful what you ask for. You may just get what what your asking. But then the state ends up with a budget shortfall having to employ everyone.

What people get on welfare is not a whole hell of a lot I will tell you now.

If they had the skill set to be a trash collector driving the trash truck, why dont they have the job in the first place?

I highly doubt they are training people to do skilled jobs like drive a large vehicle, they probably have a garbage bag and a trash poker like the inmates and WALK along the roadway. I guess we could pay them the current wage for an inmate, nothing.

So many pinko libtards in this thread, with these mindsets it's no wonder our country is in the shitter. I mean advocating straight up communismD:

 

[werepossum]

You'd think we could find things for them to do. Clean up alongside the highways. Plant flowers in parks, mow lawns of houses that have failed to respond to code violations for letting their grass get too high (while fining the homeowner), etc. If you're going to pay them, at least get something for the money.

Agreed. The good ones get the satisfaction of earning their keep, and the bad ones - well, at least we get to piss them off.

You idiot! No socialist wants the Soviet Union.

And yet the socialists so tirelessly work to recreate it.

 

[werepossum]

If they had the skill set to be a trash collector driving the trash truck, why dont they have the job in the first place?

I highly doubt they are training people to do skilled jobs like drive a large vehicle, they probably have a garbage bag and a trash poker like the inmates and WALK along the roadway. I guess we could pay them the current wage for an inmate, nothing.

So many pinko libtards in this thread, with these mindsets it's no wonder our country is in the shitter. I mean advocating straight up communismD:

If we make them work, then they get minimum wage. To pay less is not fair and borders on slavery.

 

[zinfamous]

Isn't Australian coal still a growth industry? Coal mines could be a good option...

coal has been dying here for decades. Don't believe the FUD that it's because of hippies and climate scientists. Also don't believe the FUD that it's the most dominant industry in any state, because that also isn't true.

I'm not sure that putting people into a dying industry in hopes to grow the economy is a good thing.

 

[zinfamous]

Words must mean something different in Australia. If you have to do some kind of work in order to earn a paycheck, that's not welfare, that's employment. Doesn't matter if it's only temp jobs as they become available, it's still a job. It's not welfare, it's the government saying "Hey, you know all those people we're already giving money to? What if we got them to trim the hedges first?" Sounds like a win to me.

exactly

 

[MtnMan]

Every American adult should be guaranteed a job with sufficient income to be self supporting as well as free education for career advancement.

But if such a job is guaranteed, then why in hell would anyone bother with education or career advancement. No pride in your work or accomplishments, the lazy succeed without even trying. Sit at a desk and surf the internet is all that would be required in your fantasy land of government mandated utopian nonsense.

Of course this is what our schools are teaching our children, every child gets a gold star, no matter how poor their performance or without even attempting to do something.

 

[Zorkorist]

The only thing they are doing, is socializing work.

It used to be that a man worked, got paid, and Government stayed a long way away.

Now Government is all up your ass.

That's very wrong...

-John

 

[Zorkorist]

I'll talk to you on Tax Day, 04-15, Government, and not before then.

-John

 

[Zorkorist]

Otherwise, leave me alone.

-John

 

[MongGrel]

Who could do such a thing to those poor souls? Australian government, that's who.





Why can't we do it here in the US? Too racist/mean/hardcore/<fill in the blank excuses>?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-to-include-almost-all-jobseekers?CMP=soc_567

So if I move to Australia and an over 50 I can collect unemployment ?

Just kidding, but I'm getting old.

Then I'd have to worry about snakes and spiders and crocs and Jellyfish killing me

I guess FL getting that way anyhow, import a few more things we''ll make Aussie look lame.

J/K

 

[Zaap]

But if such a job is guaranteed, then why in hell would anyone bother with education or career advancement. No pride in your work or accomplishments, the lazy succeed without even trying. Sit at a desk and surf the internet is all that would be required in your fantasy land of government mandated utopian nonsense.

The biggest irony is, he doesn't think he's pining away for the Soviet Union. He wouldn't know that he's just spouting the same utopian fantasies that end up in the same big turd of FAIL. But then again: it's Moonbeam.