All unemployed folks under 50 must work for their welfare payments...

[Hayabusa Rider]

People are already required to constantly look for work while on welfare in most states. In fact they have to fill out reports of all the interviews they go on. They cannot turn down any job either.

We are just continuing the stereotyping of people who are poor or jobless as being Lazy and unwilling to work with such stupid additional mandatory requirements and loopholes.

Funny but this Koch brother found something for them to do.

 

[PokerGuy]

Oh the horror, people actually have to do something to earn money/benefits? That is just horrendously evil, nobody should be forced to earn anything, they should always just be entitled to free stuff just for being born.

We (as a society) are paying folks, and there's no reason we shouldn't expect something in return. This obviously doesn't apply to those who can't work, but the vast majority of people can do some kind of work.

Think of it this way: there is an infinite amount of work available, the problem is that there isn't an infinite amount of money available to pay for someone to do the work. If we're already spending the money to pay someone, why not have them earn it?? Everyone benefits. Society benefits from the work done, and the people benefit by getting rewarded for doing work, they benefit by earning what they get.

 

[Veliko]

Oh the horror, people actually have to do something to earn money/benefits? That is just horrendously evil, nobody should be forced to earn anything, they should always just be entitled to free stuff just for being born.

We (as a society) are paying folks, and there's no reason we shouldn't expect something in return. This obviously doesn't apply to those who can't work, but the vast majority of people can do some kind of work.

Think of it this way: there is an infinite amount of work available, the problem is that there isn't an infinite amount of money available to pay for someone to do the work. If we're already spending the money to pay someone, why not have them earn it?? Everyone benefits. Society benefits from the work done, and the people benefit by getting rewarded for doing work, they benefit by earning what they get.

If there are jobs that need doing then people should be employed specifically for those tasks.

 

[Moonbeam]

Ah, central planning. If we are to guarantee this to every adult citizen of the United States (not American) must we not control the number of adults in order to keep a proper balance? I would certainly think so. We couldn't have more adults than jobs because that would make career scheduling very difficult. So obviously, we need some means of control. We can do that prior to conception, post conception or post birth. Seems simple enough.

The other problem of course is the intellectual capability of adults. That one is tougher because we need both individuals to mow the lawn in the park and brain surgeons to cite just two examples and we need them in the proper quantities. That would definitely have to be controlled post birth. The human brain is not fully developed until an individual is in their mid twenties. We'd have a sizable investment in someone before we knew if we had a position for them. Hmm, that's going to create a few problems.

Well, a few problems that need to be worked out but I think utopia is just right around the corner. Perfect humans working perfectly together to build a perfect world! Sounds awesome. I think there were was a guy that tried this once before. His name escapes me at the moment.

I see. You feel so fucking worthless that in a society that had to cull for quality you would be the first to go. That's the kind of fear one would expect from somebody with a conservative brain defect. You are probably also fool enough to imagine yourself a winner and can only maintain that position if nothing ever changes. You know nothing about the unconscious mind and how your competitive fear of losing will guarantee that you will.

 

[1prophet]

Every American adult should be guaranteed a job with sufficient income to be self supporting as well as free education for career advancement.

When the price of something is free it's perceived value is nothing,

contrary to popular belief everything of value has a price even if one has to be hung on a cross to pay for it.

 

[Moonbeam]

Oh the horror, people actually have to do something to earn money/benefits? That is just horrendously evil, nobody should be forced to earn anything, they should always just be entitled to free stuff just for being born.

We (as a society) are paying folks, and there's no reason we shouldn't expect something in return. This obviously doesn't apply to those who can't work, but the vast majority of people can do some kind of work.

Think of it this way: there is an infinite amount of work available, the problem is that there isn't an infinite amount of money available to pay for someone to do the work. If we're already spending the money to pay someone, why not have them earn it?? Everyone benefits. Society benefits from the work done, and the people benefit by getting rewarded for doing work, they benefit by earning what they get.

Why pay them. People at the bottom can't manage themselves, right? Why not, if there is no money and an infinite amount of work to do, just make them slaves? Of course we, you know, the elite, are still going to have to manage them. Of course, then again, they might make good fertilizer, especially the ones who really can't work. I mean come on, if we are going to value work, the best way to insure it is to get rid of anybody who doesn't have a job.

 

[Moonbeam]

When the price of something is free it's perceived value is nothing,

contrary to popular belief everything of value has a price even if one has to be hung on a cross to pay for it.

What does that have to do with "Every American adult should be guaranteed a job with sufficient income to be self supporting as well as free education for career advancement." Isn't that just the thing that I addressed, that everybody should work for a living so that they don't value their lives as worth nothing? Everything of value has a price, but you failed to mention what value really is, perhaps because you have no idea. What you value is what you earn. If the road to self valuation is blocked because there is no way for folk to earn a living, those who have no value will seek to level the playing field. There is plenty of work when a society is reduced to rubble. Just look at how many dollars we spend on national security after 9/11. In a world full of gross inequity, you can just never be too safe. Then we have our prison system. It keeps tons of black males occupied, at what would you guess, 50.000 a year, probably at least more that college for the same period.

 

[soulcougher73]

What we need to do is cull the worlds population some, including the US..just too many people for too few jobs. And if you are going to bitch about taking care of the ones who dont get jobs and you arent willing to let them die in the streets then you have a problem.

 

[Spungo]

What we need to do is cull the worlds population some, including the US..just too many people for too few jobs. And if you are going to bitch about taking care of the ones who dont get jobs and you arent willing to let them die in the streets then you have a problem.

We can't let them go hungry because that makes people fighty and prone to overthrowing the government. We must defend our incredibly corrupt government at all cost. Bismark invented the modern welfare state because he realized people would put up with a lot of BS as long as they got free stuff. Hitler did this as well (he didn't call his party the national socialist party for nothing). We can still see this today. People in Europe complain about the economy, but they don't really talk about overthrowing the government and hanging politicians from lamp posts. America's welfare state is nowhere near as complete as the countries in Europe, so our people have much more violent fantasies. One of the Saw movies (5?) was about murdering people in the medical industry; it was around the time Sicko came out, which showed the frustrations of everyday Americans dealing with medical costs.

You could look at it the other way and say the only way to get bankers hanging from lamp posts is to cut off food stamps and medicaid. If you thought a bear with cubs was dangerous, you should see what a human mother is capable of doing when her cubs are hungry.

 

[PokerGuy]

If there are jobs that need doing then people should be employed specifically for those tasks.

As I said, there are plenty of things that need doing, but there is only so much money available to hire people to do those things. Since we are already paying people, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect that those people we are paying earn what we pay them.

The only people that should be exempt from earn-your-pay requirements are those who truly can't work. Anyone who is able should be expected to contribute to society in some way.

 

[PokerGuy]

Why pay them.

We already pay them, because as a society we've decided it's not good for anyone (for the people or the rest of society) to have no safety net. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect someone to earn their pay, in whatever way they can.

 

[Veliko]

As I said, there are plenty of things that need doing, but there is only so much money available to hire people to do those things. Since we are already paying people, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect that those people we are paying earn what we pay them.

The only people that should be exempt from earn-your-pay requirements are those who truly can't work. Anyone who is able should be expected to contribute to society in some way.

There's plenty of money available, I have no idea why anyone would think otherwise.

And the cost of making sure these people actually turn up and do the work to a satisfactory standard means you won't be saving anything anyway.

 

[dphantom]

What we need to do is cull the worlds population some, including the US..just too many people for too few jobs. And if you are going to bitch about taking care of the ones who dont get jobs and you arent willing to let them die in the streets then you have a problem.

out of the mind of a progressive.....

 

[theeedude]

Looks like they solved unemployment. Just require everyone unemployed to have a job. Why didn't anyone think of it before? I see an Economics Nobel in Australia's future.

 

[Spungo]

The only people that should be exempt from earn-your-pay requirements are those who truly can't work. Anyone who is able should be expected to contribute to society in some way.

Socialists often say: "From each according to their means, to each according to their needs."
American politicians say: "Free shit for everyone. You don't even need to contribute according to your means."

You know we've really gone too far off the deep end when communists are too right wing. Communists want everyone to get paid, but they expect you to do something in exchange for that payment. In America, communists are considered right wing lunatics.

 

[theeedude]

Funny but this Koch brother found something for them to do.

I love when Republicans endorse big government programs :thumbsup:

 

[Orignal Earl]

I wonder how this works for the small business owners there.
Now they are going to have to put up with 50 people a day dropping off resumes and keeping records of it all?

 

[soulcougher73]

out of the mind of a realist .....

FTFY. You're welcome

 

[nehalem256]

Socialists often say: "From each according to their means, to each according to their needs."
American politicians say: "Free shit for everyone. You don't even need to contribute according to your means."

You know we've really gone too far off the deep end when communists are too right wing. Communists want everyone to get paid, but they expect you to do something in exchange for that payment. In America, communists are considered right wing lunatics.

Try having 3 bastard kids with 3 baby daddies in China and see how that works our for you.

 

[networkman]

Capitalism is the way to go. Socialism is what leads to wealth inequality. The people giving out the dole have all the power and the money follows along quickly.

When we bailed out wall street instead of letting them suffer the consequences for making bad loans, that was a big blow to capitalism and not surprisingly wealth inequality skyrocketed. We're enabling businesses that should have gone under to stay in business.

+1 Yes! You nailed it right there!!

Businesses, like General Motors & Chrysler, as well as myriad banks should've been allowed to fail and be bought up by others who weren't so stupid/foolish with their money and resources. We'd probably have seen Ford, Honda & Toyota become "The Big Three". And the economy would've recovered far sooner than it's still trying to do.

 

[Newell Steamer]

Why not just flat out employ them? Since there is a demand for this work to be done, hire these people.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I wonder how this works for the small business owners there.
Now they are going to have to put up with 50 people a day dropping off resumes and keeping records of it all?

I suspect they're like the US, the majority of businesses only accept applications/resumes online.

 

[networkman]

out of the mind of a progressive.....

dphantom had it right. Look up Progressives and Eugenics if you have any questions.

 

[Spungo]

Why not just flat out employ them? Since there is a demand for this work to be done, hire these people.

Because they are usually make-work jobs. We don't actually want 10+ million people picking up garbage on the highway or turning big rocks into small rocks.
In theory, these make-work jobs should pay less than minimum wage so people have a reason to search for real employment. It would also be ideal if the make-work jobs had some kind of usable training. Ideally, welfare would be something similar to the military. You learn discipline, you get in shape, you follow orders, you use computers, you read maps, you shoot guns, you learn gun safety, you wake up early, you learn hand to hand combat, you learn to speak proper English, etc. Military people not scarred by war make excellent employees. It's truly unfortunate that both political parties are determined to get involved in every conflict that happens around the world.

It would be a nice change if we used our military for good instead of... whatever. Instead of having 100k troops in Iraq, why couldn't we use those same 100k people providing support after hurricanes? People would say that's what the national guard is for. Fine, then let's have people be part of the national guard while receiving welfare. If you look at wiki's page for the national guard, you'll see it morphed into its current form in 1933, during the depression. Why can't we do that right now?

It's a tricky problem because anything the government does will slowly turn into a disaster. Governments have the same nepotism of private organizations, but there's no risk of bankruptcy, so they get worse every year without consequence.

 

[Orignal Earl]

I suspect they're like the US, the majority of businesses only accept applications/resumes online.

Most small businesses I know of, don't have a website. If they do it looks like those old My Space sites.
In places with high unemployment there is not a lot of businesses that do a lot of hiring
Are these people going to be allowed to sit and send out resumes online?