All unemployed folks under 50 must work for their welfare payments...

[Svnla]

Who could do such a thing to those poor souls? Australian government, that's who.

The government is making it mandatory for jobseekers aged 18 to 49 to work for their welfare payments from July 1, 2015.

Those aged 18 to 30 will be required to work 25 hours per week while people aged 31 to 49 will have to work 15 hours.

Those over 50 will have the option of participating in the program.

Why can't we do it here in the US? Too racist/mean/hardcore/<fill in the blank excuses>?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-to-include-almost-all-jobseekers?CMP=soc_567

 

[dmcowen674]

All unemployed folks under 50 must work for their welfare payments...

Who could do such a thing to those poor souls? Australian government, that's who.


Why can't we do it here in the US? Too racist/mean/hardcore/<fill in the blank excuses>?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-to-include-almost-all-jobseekers?CMP=soc_567

Work where?

 

[brycejones]

Work where?

Isn't Australian coal still a growth industry? Coal mines could be a good option...

 

[ivwshane]

You are required to search for work and I'm pretty sure Obama allowed states to come up with their own plan to reform unemoyment as long as the changes achieved the same goals or better. Guess who got their panties in a bunch when that happened?

http://money.cnn.com/2011/09/08/news/economy/Obama_unemployment_benefits/

http://michronicleonline.com/2014/0...onnell-hypocrisy-blocks-obama-conyers-action/


Oh and it's the same story with Obamas welfare changes.

http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/07/obama-administration-defends-welfare-changes-128889.html

 

[Moonbeam]

Every American adult should be guaranteed a job with sufficient income to be self supporting as well as free education for career advancement.

 

[ivwshane]

Every American adult should be guaranteed a job with sufficient income to be self supporting as well as free education for career advancement.

In a perfect society and in a world unlike this one, I'd agree. However that's simply not possible, not in a capitalist system.

 

[DrPizza]

You'd think we could find things for them to do. Clean up alongside the highways. Plant flowers in parks, mow lawns of houses that have failed to respond to code violations for letting their grass get too high (while fining the homeowner), etc. If you're going to pay them, at least get something for the money.

 

[ivwshane]

You'd think we could find things for them to do. Clean up alongside the highways. Plant flowers in parks, mow lawns of houses that have failed to respond to code violations for letting their grass get too high (while fining the homeowner), etc. If you're going to pay them, at least get something for the money.

Community service would be nice but there would still be a ton of people who couldn't do it, justified or not. I like the idea except that it might turn community service into a dirty word. Taking care of your community should be a noble thing regardless of the reason for doing it.

 

[WackyDan]

Not sure how the AU system works but here in the US your employer pays a fee to the state for covering your unemployment benefits/insurance.

In other words, if you are on unemployment here, you have already paid into that system for your 6 months of benefits.

It isn't like welfare.

In AU they might not tax employers to pay the unemployment pool for you.

 

[alcoholbob]

Australia and America are two society's going in opposite directions. I have family in Australia and they are talking about all the positive effects of shedding socialism, including better work ethic, more productive society and there's a strong political undercurrent to push free market enterprise with the model being of classic America.

Cultural Marxists in the political elite of America are still stuck in their 1960s counterculture mindset they were indoctrinated as youths and still trying to turn America into their rendition of the Soviet Union.

 

[Moonbeam]

Australia and America are two society's going in opposite directions. I have family in Australia and they are talking about all the positive effects of shedding socialism, including better work ethic, more productive society and there's a strong political undercurrent to push free market enterprise with the model being of classic America.

Cultural Marxists in the political elite of America are still stuck in their 1960s counterculture mindset they were indoctrinated as youths and still trying to turn America into their rendition of the Soviet Union.

You idiot! No socialist wants the Soviet Union.

 

[Moonbeam]

In a perfect society and in a world unlike this one, I'd agree. However that's simply not possible, not in a capitalist system.

Forget a perfect society. A capitalist system is built on competition between individuals and creates hate envy and selfishness, everything that is wrong with the world. You are saying we should live with a disease rather than cure it. Fuck capitalism. It is built on fear and self hate.

 

[Moonbeam]

You'd think we could find things for them to do. Clean up alongside the highways. Plant flowers in parks, mow lawns of houses that have failed to respond to code violations for letting their grass get too high (while fining the homeowner), etc. If you're going to pay them, at least get something for the money.

It isn't just a matter of getting something for the money, it's giving people self respect because they earn it.

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

Australia and America are two society's going in opposite directions. I have family in Australia and they are talking about all the positive effects of shedding socialism, including better work ethic, more productive society and there's a strong political undercurrent to push free market enterprise with the model being of classic America.

Cultural Marxists in the political elite of America are still stuck in their 1960s counterculture mindset they were indoctrinated as youths and still trying to turn America into their rendition of the Soviet Union.

Maybe you could say their rendition of almost all of the rest of the first world, but certainly not the Soviet Union.

 

[RandomWords]

In some cases I believe Welfare people do have to show they are searching for jobs - but knowing some of them - they just bullshitted their way around that one... it is different being required to search for a job and being required to have one... if one cannot be found by you one will be provided for you (ie: community service) - sounds good... except - we have a nation full of cry babies.

 

[ivwshane]

Forget a perfect society. A capitalist system is built on competition between individuals and creates hate envy and selfishness, everything that is wrong with the world. You are saying we should live with a disease rather than cure it. Fuck capitalism. It is built on fear and self hate.

Nope, I'm saying it's impossible to cure the disease

 

[Moonbeam]

Ones possibility horizon is dependent on ones knowledge. What is impossible for one person may be obvious to another.

 

[Veliko]

And the attacks on the people at the bottom continue.

 

[Angry Irishman]

Every American adult should be guaranteed a job with sufficient income to be self supporting as well as free education for career advancement.

Yes comrade!

 

[Oldgamer]

People are already required to constantly look for work while on welfare in most states. In fact they have to fill out reports of all the interviews they go on. They cannot turn down any job either.

We are just continuing the stereotyping of people who are poor or jobless as being Lazy and unwilling to work with such stupid additional mandatory requirements and loopholes.

 

[Matt1970]

Australia and America are two society's going in opposite directions. I have family in Australia and they are talking about all the positive effects of shedding socialism, including better work ethic, more productive society and there's a strong political undercurrent to push free market enterprise with the model being of classic America.

Cultural Marxists in the political elite of America are still stuck in their 1960s counterculture mindset they were indoctrinated as youths and still trying to turn America into their rendition of the Soviet Union.

That's because the socialists look at all the success the US has had under it's mostly capitalist system and think things would be just so much better is everything was distributed evenly.

 

[OverVolt]

Capitalism is the way to go. Socialism is what leads to wealth inequality. The people giving out the dole have all the power and the money follows along quickly.

When we bailed out wall street instead of letting them suffer the consequences for making bad loans, that was a big blow to capitalism and not surprisingly wealth inequality skyrocketed. We're enabling businesses that should have gone under to stay in business. Hence why East Germany had the Trabant and West Germany had Mercedes Benz. Can't get any better of an example than that.

Due to the long waiting period between ordering a Trabant and actual delivery (in some cases, years), used Trabants would fetch higher prices than new ones.

Oh socialism...

Businesses are headed that way now.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/27/opinion/goldman-sachss-aluminum-pile.html?_r=0

 

[boomerang]

Every American adult should be guaranteed a job with sufficient income to be self supporting as well as free education for career advancement.

Ah, central planning. If we are to guarantee this to every adult citizen of the United States (not American) must we not control the number of adults in order to keep a proper balance? I would certainly think so. We couldn't have more adults than jobs because that would make career scheduling very difficult. So obviously, we need some means of control. We can do that prior to conception, post conception or post birth. Seems simple enough.

The other problem of course is the intellectual capability of adults. That one is tougher because we need both individuals to mow the lawn in the park and brain surgeons to cite just two examples and we need them in the proper quantities. That would definitely have to be controlled post birth. The human brain is not fully developed until an individual is in their mid twenties. We'd have a sizable investment in someone before we knew if we had a position for them. Hmm, that's going to create a few problems.

Well, a few problems that need to be worked out but I think utopia is just right around the corner. Perfect humans working perfectly together to build a perfect world! Sounds awesome. I think there were was a guy that tried this once before. His name escapes me at the moment.

 

[boomerang]

People are already required to constantly look for work while on welfare in most states. In fact they have to fill out reports of all the interviews they go on. They cannot turn down any job either.

Who tells you these things? I can't figure out if you are insane or have an intelligence deficit.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

You'd think we could find things for them to do. Clean up alongside the highways. Plant flowers in parks, mow lawns of houses that have failed to respond to code violations for letting their grass get too high (while fining the homeowner), etc. If you're going to pay them, at least get something for the money.

About 8 years ago I was working Venezuela and the city where I was staying had people painting the curbs by hand, pulling weeds in the park landscaping, trimming grass along side the road/in medians with long sickles/hand sickles. I asked the local why city workers weren't do this and was told this is what people who receive money from the government had to do to get their money.